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  1. CharlieZardoz
    Yep exactly! The Roxsolana painting or the first and second paintings in the list you mentioned are examples of what I would imagine a carpenter would have considered. Something they might have seen in a contemporary painting probably of the baroque or medieval style. The third painting yes though it was painted in the 1800's so after Sultana was built.
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    That's actually a nice little tidbit, since Roksolana was the preferred concubine of Suleiman hence the crown she wears in the painting.
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    And we have eyes!! Took hours
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    The painting is that of Rogatyn Roksolana who live during the 1500s during the reign of Suleiman I. Picking her as inspiration is pure preference however I would have to imagine that any colonial woodworkers intending to build a figurehead of a Sultans concubine would quite likely have gotten their inspiration from something historical and she was in her time an educated and powerful woman who achieve some fame. Plus the painting seems somewhat eurocentric and idealic which id assume some moderately educated colonial merchantman would have probably thought in terms of her looks rather than an accurate representation of a woman of that time in the Ottoman empire.
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    More progress. Made eyebrows and puffy lucious lips
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    Its not too hard to use once you get the hang of it. Some tutorials are on youtube which help with the basics.
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    So started the process of making a 3d figure via sculptris thanks to Igor for the guidance. Was my first attempt and nowhere near done yet but the program is amazing let me know what you all think.
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    Im going to try using a cnc program like igorcap did with Oliver Cromwell and Pegasus. The figure would be small 2 cm in size so might be an interesting experiement though i trust i will likely try a few different approaches to get the best effect.
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    Ok so daves most kindly posted some pics on the figurehead off of Hahn's model of Sultana and what I see is a figure placed in very similar arrangement to the replica in Delaware, the arm placement etc. Don't want to reinvent the wheel just work off a model that seems logical so I think I will go in that direction and eventually would like to visit the diorama in Virginia and get some closer pics of Hahn's model. Here is what she looks like and as far as how detailed I can make her well that's going to take some researching as well but at least now I can put my mind at rest on a few questions and get back to widdling.
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    Oh dear what mischief have I started! Well back to the topic at hand I did speak with the Sultana foundation and they said they modeled their figurehead based on a Sultan concubine. This of course makes sense though it makes me wonder if the HMS Halifax had a horse figurehead because Halifax was known for horse breeding perhaps? So yes these two pics are sort of what I am going to use for inspiration and well see how it turns out as I have some research to do now
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    Yeah a real work of art that one. Bet they spent years on the detailing
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    Haha I have a few friends who I'm sure would love doing that mr frolick! But yes learning to carve is going to be a lot of fun, though this tiny 2 centimeter figure is going to be a challenge. Still I'd love to seek out what history exists if any so I at least have an idea of what a period figurehead from the 18th century colonial era might have looked like. Perhaps ill contact the Sultana society and see what they know if anything
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    I'm imagining that coming from colonial America she would have looked pretty but common, not a mythical figure or something royal. The arms would either be to the side or crossed not outstretched or they would break easily and I would assume clothed in something bard-like but maybe I'm totally off. Something like a Jenny Lind except she hadn't been born yet!
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    Yes I agree and I expect at some point ill start to make a collection of such available alacart pieces and modify the detailing. The other option would be to try something via computer (3d printing perhaps?) but other than just use my imagination I am curious if a description of the original was ever documented (which I imagine unlikely) or at the very least some experts came up with some educated guesses like with Hahn's model. If not I will likely just follow the same route Chuck took as I really like that approach best but it's little things like placement of the hands or ornamental details that I am curious about. I have to assume something is known otherwise why would we know it was a woman? But if I can't find that description anywhere well then I'll just have to use my imagination which could be fun but even then I'd like a few historical similar figureheads off merchant type turned military vessels of the period with which to model off of.
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    Here's some pics of the figurehead from the kit. For it's size it isn't awful but I would like to try something a bit more detailed looking. Additionally I have Chuck's very nicely done figurehead with Sculpey off the practicum and the replica in Delaware. This is figurehead just doesn't strike me as being accurate honestly I would imagine something a bit more... graceful? Ok fine I hate it lol. And last is a recently posted pic of the model from the Hahn diorama.
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    Greetings all. So as I sloooooowly chip away at Sultana I've been thinking a lot of the questionable figurehead provided with the kit. Naturally I want to replace it with something I make from scratch however I am aware that the admiralty plans did not include a diagram of what the figurehead looked like and the only information I have read says that the figurehead was a beautifully carved woman.... which was then likely removed after purchase by the royal navy. This does not explain much and I'm hoping that someone might know of some sort of written description either first person source or even someone's extrapolation to help me surmise what the figurehead possibly looked like. Any thoughts or directions towards sources would be appreciated. I've so far looked through Chappelle's books and also the Harold Hahn Colonial Schooner book but he doesn't give much discussion to Sultana's appearance more the history. I would actually love to see more pics of Hahn's Colonial Diorama as the Sultana model looks like it has a figurehead and I trust his judgement on the matter.
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    Wow Id love to see more of this process.
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    Enjoy New York! It's a great city if I do say so myself
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    That's absolutely fabulous! Yes please any dimensions or photo's would be most welcomed.
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    That was a joke right?
  21. CharlieZardoz
    This is the best pic of Sabine I have. There are more pics of Santee out there so you may want to use them as a reference since both were sister ships. Frolick is of course right the sort of detail you are looking for doesn't exist as the ship led an unspectacular career however if you research ships built during the 1850's-70's a lot of similar deck details exist and cross referencing that with what we know of Potomac class frigates you could produce a decent model with a bit of educated guesswork.
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    Hmm very nice! I mean the ship is still black with white lines but all i've seen are rather lousy black and white scans so this looks really lovely.
  23. CharlieZardoz
    Technically Fair American is probably 1/64 scale. The kit says 1/48 but since its based on a model not a plan there is no evidence as to what size she truly was and I happen to believe she would have been closer to the size of Lexington or Rattlesnake than Halifax or Badger (which was also a captured continental privateer) and a Caldercraft kit.
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    Dr Feldman's Lexington sold through lumbreyard is more accurate to what the ship actually looked like. Not a kit though just plans and wood (most kits are pretty much wood and plans anyway). Regardding scale be careful many kits which claim a certain scale are actually wrong. Especially the older european kits. Best to research your interest first and check to make sure the kit is an accurate representation of what you are looking for. Me I love 1/64 scale and many kits come in that size including Feldman's Lexington however if you plan on building larger kits one day like frigates downscaling your big ships tp 1/72 may keep your models from taking up too much space and most wont even know
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    Mmm mmm look at that detailing! Ashame the real ship didnt last longer than she did. Both her and New York deserved a proper refit.

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