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  1. CharlieZardoz
    Well from what Ive read the 1870s was a weird time for the navy. Almost like a bunch of old timers who wanted to bury their heads in the sand and forget that iron and steel ships had made wooden sailing ships obsolete. Quite alot of funds were allocated (wasted?) on refurbishing the old ships and put them back in service despite being functionally useless. Ships like Tennessee and Florida (I think those were the ones) were modified to look more like merrimac class steam frigates but that said this weird period of stagnation is essentially why constitution and constellation still exist today as they were extensively rebuilt and had Hartford been maintained she would have possibly survived to present day as well.
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    While I've seen many of these before, I've not seen them in this hi quality so definitely some nice finds
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    I've been considering renaming this topic "American warship research and information gathering" since it seems that is much of what we are doing. It's a joy bringing all of these bits of history together on one source for those to seek out if need be. Here is a few more images from the figureheads book, one shows sketches of the bust for the John Adams along with Macedonian, Independence, Philadelphia and Syren, the other images busts from many of the 74 gun ships. Enjoy!
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    Hi Wayne! Yes you are correct. Standard wasn't really a term at that time but I was thinking more in terms of standard function since those parts by the bow would have been what most frigates required at the time before the bulwarks and railings became solid in later designs. Also though the railings from Philadelphia and New York were reconstructed by Chapelle (after the erroneous reconstructions by Henry Allen) so it's likely he took the railing idea from Constitution (and Boston's plans) as a reference? The bow does look a lot like Constituition I must say. And Talos those are some wonderful looking images there. Is it wrong to say I have a thing for boat butts!
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    Well I imagine they changed over time. Those ships were built 1800 to 1812 so probably the same overall design layout as Philadelphia and new york and was standard issue for naval practice. That said the image past the bow seems kind of implied so i imagine its mot that reliable. Also its very likely Chapelle used contemporary images like these to base his reconstructions on.
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    Here's a nice bit of something I just dug up from the LOC it's a drawing of United States bow detail. Says it's around 1813 but fairly nice detailing the original shows the flow of the scrollwork pretty well. http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/2012645377/
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    I suppose she was curved like the Brandywine class. Hartford class was more elliptical
  8. CharlieZardoz
    Interesting this is an older image of Portsmouth so I guess they added on the eagle later on
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    Btw here is a sketch/lithograph? of the Richmond and as you stated correctly the gun deck was open.
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    Agreed I'd imagine the little teacups would probably be a pain to nail down, as would the rocking chair
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    Oh that cabin is just darling! I've always wondered what the civil war era captain's quarters would have looked like very cozy. BTW here is the stern eagle from the Columbia via "American Figureheads and their carvers".
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    See stuff like that makes my day. Ive been thinking of starting a post comprised of salvaged billetheads/stern fittings etc. Since I know alot of them are out there and as far as im concerned those can really make or break a model (some just do generic squigglies or leave them out entirely) I wonder if that sabine billet still exists today.
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    Any closeups of what these half windows might have looked like? Like maybe one discarded on the gun deck during a removal? I imagine these were there to add light to the gun deck during periods where the cannons were not in use. Also to keep out the cold in winter? I love that you can see stern detail on the Sabine in that one really awesome stuff.
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    Nice I didn't realize the quality of the images on LOC are so much higher. Looking at the billethead scrolling comparisons on Sabine vs Santee, they are similar but perhaps a bit different. Is it safe to say scroll work was different of every ship of the time or did sister ships have essentially the same scroll design depending on who commissioned the work?
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    Yep I see it now. And the design does look like a proper frigate not a hybrid like the Richmond.
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    Isnt that uss richmond?
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    Here's a few pics of Constellation's cabin from ye olde internet and gives a good view of the stern windows and their function (look pretty easy to remove). You can also see holes where I assume hooks for cannon ropes would have been?
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    So youre saying the windows were removable then? I assume the interior had a cabin similar to Constitution though?
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    The lower 4 ports were windows like Constellation no?
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    Great picture Sam! I would say choose the items you wish to incorporate into your build and go from there. Sometimes ship modeling can be a bit "idealized" for example it is known that Sultana probably had her figurehead removed when she was given swivel guns and outfitted for military service however almost all models of her are shown with both... because it looks nice. I'd say keep the stern windows as there was most likely no change in her stern, if a quarterdeck was added it was likely something tacked on and removable rather than an actual increase in the bulkhead and I would assume was to assist in her training duties. It might not have run all the way to the stern but sat in the mid range as an extra platform if that makes sense? That's just my thoughts however you may find yourself picking pieces of what you would like to represent in your model in the hopes that it is also aesthetically pleasing as a work of art. Very interesting stuff
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    Im curious what did you use for the bulwark/bulkhead planking. Is that boxwood? What stain/oils did you use (assuming you havent already mentioned) the coloring is simply perfect
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    Aye probably why these ships had 100% desertion rate (thats what the books say at least). Essentially they were seen as horrible cramped death traps only one had a long standing captain.
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    Well id say its something to do with the fact that these weren't really warships but cargo ships that probably spent alot of time by the ports loading and removing cargo. While some of them were built for the king to be warships many like Halifax and Sultana were converted from their original purpose and ultimately had whatever armament they could carry grafted onto them.
  24. CharlieZardoz
    Maple is a cheaper alternative to holly. Also holly is hard to weather. Generally deck wood is of a lighter color but it doesn't have to be. Some use boxwood or even pear (unsteamed pear which is lighter).
  25. CharlieZardoz
    I do love the burnt wood smell. Not so much burnt fingers

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