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  1. CharlieZardoz
    Using a sharp knife and sander start cutting off all the excess from the quarter deck and forecastle area (I think that's the proper terms for a tiny ship like this). Cutting these areas give us an even line by which to judge the deck camber.
  2. CharlieZardoz
    Now that all the lines are drawn I can clearly see what parts of the top of the hull need to be sawed off and where. Using the camber piece noted on the plans I made a little camber template. Then lined it up to the hull. As you can clearly see the hull camber is not even close but this will change... Shhh, pay no attention to the spy in the corner
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    The next major step is to fair the deck. Reason why I chose the deck first is because I intend to fair the hull itself by nailing it to the measurement board and wanted the top of the hull to be level to the board. With the board I placed the deck pieces as so and added the lines on the deck templates. Then using a piece of styrene and a ruler I slowly placed the template lines around the hull. These will be erased many times during the fairing process but they let you know where everything should be.
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    Ok so been tinkering away for the last couple of weeks and here is where I am at now. First thing I did was to assemble a cradle. While this isn't so much important at this point it gives you something to lay the model on while you begin the fairing process. I used #3 and #7 template to get the general shape. While it doesn't fit snug at this point it doesn't have to. BTW thanks to Dan for the use of his cutting machine
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    It'd be nice to fine some more info regarding United States stern details. The one painting I've seen is hard to make out and these watercolors above give me hope that there is something more out there. (oh and that Zimmerman guy never answered me back pooh!)
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    Would love to see some pics of Dominica when you're done with her.
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    It should be ok thanks!
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    Also looking into some of the archives on this site I decided I should also add a shot of the water color depictions of the sterns from John Lenthall's archives. In it you can see John Adams, Constitution and Congress among others. I figure I'll just make this post a big info dump since it feels like so much is out there just not in an organized place. Happy to find the stern of the Congress... even if it's not the prettiest thing lol
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    They look too detailed to be mere approximations so I am assuming he found them in the royal archives under whatever they were renamed to when entering royal service. Though they could be approximations such as the Queen of France which clearly says so.
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    Hard to imagine only one set of plans of the Adams and Portsmouth survived but I suppose we should be thankful how much history survives at all. I always make sure to be attentive to my partner, why just yesterday we were having a serious discussion with our friend about a falling out she had and yes I was sanding the hull of the Sultana at the same time but I swear I was fully attentive and offered advice ;D
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    Oh dear we boat loving nerds do need to be mindful of our significant others when plowing through historical documents don't we. Anywhoo I scanned the pics from the Coker book and this is what I found. There's a John Adams body plan, painting and sail plan (though a bit small) also diagrams for the Delaware, Providence and 1776 Boston with clear figurehead details. Based on these pictures the model above could very well be the 1776 Boston taken from admiralty lines and based on these diagrams it looks like all these ships had draughts taken by RN during enlistment. Also posted the admiralty model of the L'indien aka South Carolina showing some fine details. So overall that's quite a lot of continental frigates knocked off my list as well as a few new ones
  12. CharlieZardoz
    I wish there was some visual evidence for the Adams as well as the elusive General Greene. Enough to at least extrapolate a conceptual model of what they may have looked like (which I am sure is possible with enough research). I do appreciate the wealth of info you've added to this topic frolick thanks! Charlie
  13. CharlieZardoz
    Both ships were indeed cut down. I don't think that figure is of the John Adams since it's length between perp's is 106' and John Adams was 139'. The book is ordered and shipping and when I get the Coker book I'll scan and post what's shown in the book I do wish those figure's could be identified since those ships could very well be some forgotten bit of history.
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    Thank you Chuck I do sincerely appreciate your input on the matter. Will definitely check the Lex out during my journey through ship modeling as I find the continental navy and it's history quite fascinating and enigmatic. Charlie
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    I suspect she wasn't taken to RN as well. Thank you for the info and thoughts on the matter. I'll probably invest in Feldman's Lexington at some point in the future and get a better understanding of the work done. I also have a 3/16" plan set copy that was drawn by Charles G. Davis for The Built Up Ship Model which is what I suspect the Aeropiccola and Mamoli kits are using as a basis. It'll be a few years before I get to it but I suspect it'll be a fun project to research and work on.
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    Well she was a purchase from the Dutch West Indies so I imagine she was probably hastily converted to a warship like many of the Continental ships were (rather than a proper naval brig). Seeing as how she was captured by the British I am wondering if official lines were drawn and if she was renamed after her capture (since I can't find her on the maritime collections website). If not this guy Dr Feldman from the Nautical Research Guild seems to have done a lot of research on this ship and I imagine his rendition (the upper photo) is more in keeping with what she must have really looked like.
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    Just out of curiosity I was wondering if anyone could answer this question about the Lexington. Lumberyard/Seaways has one kit that looks rather different from most depictions of the brig and was wondering if there was more evidence towards one rather than the other. Some have poop decks but most look like the larger brig. I must admit the larger brig looks more attractive overall but that doesn't mean it's historically accurate.
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    There's a really nice model of her in the Hampton Roads museum along with the Cumberland Minnesota and Hartford, that said I do have every intention of doing so myself once my skill allows
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    It's definitely not the 1776 frigate in my opinion. The design of it doesn't look like a 24 gun frigate the builder probably took the plans from the later Boston as a source. A 1776 small frigate would look much for like the Virginia with 12 gun ports instead of 13. Nice model though not sure if the stern is fiction but it's believable.
  20. CharlieZardoz
    I found photo's of this model, not sure where it is displayed but it says Boston 1776 however looking at the model she very much like the 1799 Boston. Could be wrong though take a look at the plans and see what you think.
  21. CharlieZardoz
    Coincidentally have you ever watched the 1991 film Ironclad's with Virginia Madsen? The Cumberland's stern is all wrong, square like a box and with no aft cannon's lol. The Congress was pretty decent as was the Minnesota though the Pawnee looked nothing like it did in real life.
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    That sounds great Talos! I would definitely like to see what notes you come up with when you get to replicating those ships. The poor Santee. Lasted as a training ship along with Constitution for so many years, yet no one thought of preserving her. It's true that other than Essex and the sloop Constellation, other than revolutionary ships not much love is given to the American frigates though sounds like we all plan on changing that I like the Java class as well. It's all part of an evolutionary line that began with Constitution and ended with Congress it all fits together and the evolution of design is quite fascinating. I'd love to see conjectures of what might have been had the sailing frigate kept evolving in a world with no ironclads.
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    It's a great interpretation of the Duc, much better than that awful Aeropiccola kit. Also I'm surprised no kit was ever made of a Potomac/Brandywine class frigate/sloop. Considering how many of them were made they were kind of the backbone of the sailing navy for some time. A little re-working/bashing and you could build the set.
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    I'd probably go mad interpreting some of those Humphrey's papers, though tbf with many of these ships they are probably the most viable resource there is for detailing especially ships like Congress and United States. The Essex and Confederacy to appear to have some commonality though Essex is significantly smaller. It's just that Alliance had a rather impressive career and deserves a model made of her. I can't believe the hulk existed an a shore until the early 1900's and was then broken up with no thought of it's archeological value sheesh! Regarding Duc De Duras I agree about the stern and that's sort of what I'm getting at here. Is there enough info on the Congress (1797) to make a fully accurate model of her... probably not. Can enough info be compiled to make a reasonably accurate representation of her... most likely. It's been done many times with supposedly "historic" ship models. Like Bon Homme Richard, Lexington and Enterprise models exist of them... they are interpretations but not wholly out of the ball park, especially Lexington. So thought's are the more research and bits of info gathered the more realistic a model could be made of some of these fairly obscure historic vessels.
  25. CharlieZardoz
    Very good Talos! I re-read and realize Trumbull was too greatly damaged to be taken into RN service, do wonder about the Providence having lines taken by RN though. Alliance I'd love to know what the carving details were like. I imagine similar overall to Confederacy but with it's own distinction. Warren I think you may have confused with Washington which was never finished. Warren supposedly took a few prizes before burned. Columbia I imagine it would be similar to other ships of the Potomac class diagrams from Chapelle's books I imagine newer ships didn't vary as much in details as they had fewer carvings and building was more regimented. I did find the plan for the later John Adams in my Donald Canney book the older one is supposedly in a book written by P.C. Coker about Charleston I've yet to check out. Thanks for clearing up the confusion with the Boston, wonder if the ship from 1776 had lines taken. And Modeler12 I did look over the Royal Museum of Greenwich archives though didn't see much. Providence may have been renamed not sure.

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