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  1. Heinrich der Seefahrer
    🤔...this would be some 12mm - I do add something around 5mm less than 1/4". Lets see towards where the journey leads me...
  2. Heinrich der Seefahrer
    Exactly the safe guard was annoyingly colliding with the hull 😲
  3. Heinrich der Seefahrer
    Dear Marc, thank for this great lesson in rebuilding a Heller hull. You have been able to inspire me and gave me the courage to try myself out at the Proxxon mini table saw. But I was after some 50mm stopped by the osh parts of the saw... so I'll have to remove this before getting further progress. But I won 5mm of width in the hull. How much you did add to your hull at all? As I'llhave to replank the hull at the very end over all I must not be bothered about the puttying&sanding action at all.
  4. Heinrich der Seefahrer
    @Hubac's Historian @shipmodel @EJ_L And there has been royal blue clothing in the baroque:
  5. Heinrich der Seefahrer
    Hmmmm, Marc @Hubac's Historian I leaved through my libary finding dissatisfying news: At 1693 one single gun lid had hat 10 square geaded nails in 20 rows. Here shown on SAINT PHILIPPE... Mr.Lemineur gives us a red and brass/gold colour scheme. There is only one "proof of concept" I was able to figure out. So we can say there may be a second independent source: The next evidence of close nailhead covered lid insides I found with Mr. Delacroix: The lids are not drawn separedly (but I just leaved through the plans sides) So here we all can see that even the vertically separated lids were fully covered on their inside with nail heads. The original drawing I leaved threugh in HISTORY OF THE FRENCH FRIGATE was the young Olliviers masterpice of midcut drawing of NEREÏDE of 1723 - what astonishingly doesn't show not a single enclosed gun port lid - also any plank in the deck is drawn with the surrounding masts and knees. Dissapointing in so far as a) I wasn't able to find any contemporary source for the narrowly nailhead covered gunpot lids inside... b) the number of nails in much higher than I thought - and will bring a plenty of labour to all of us. A resin cast may be a helpful work arround. In the very last monography there are not any gunport lids - but may there be some more importent discovery for all of us? There are only gunports on the oilpainting on the very outside dustcover print. And the blue and gold looks like blue fabric-covered with golden embroided f.-d.-ys!!! May this fabric put onto the planks under the craved trallis? P.S.: In this beautyfull hand crafted drawings ther were no lids were placed in the gunports, too.
  6. Heinrich der Seefahrer
    Hmmmm, Marc @Hubac's Historian The gun lids of the good old VASA was my first guess, too. Are thez tincladed inside or is it the conservation-fluid looking like a film? The lion speaks clearly for you deeply crafted cravings version, Marc!
  7. Heinrich der Seefahrer
    @shipmodel There are several gunlids with those an amount of nails... I'll poste lateron pictures from gugsomenport lids out of some Boudriot and Delacroux plans... these were the only I've got. Mot to be referring onto myself I'll surf around to find pictures of museums models or drawings of contemporary French plans or plans of caputred French ships in the NMM or Danish-lists.
  8. Heinrich der Seefahrer
    @EJ_L thats an interesting & important fact. So a solution in PE made from the 1/24 decorational drawings of the Lemoneur plans may be for all of us Heller-rebuilders our way through it... @Hubac's Historian The other possibility is to cut them with a small pair of nail scissors out of thicker aluminum foil (as from a cream cheese or jogurt cups) - individuality by handmade workmans craftship instead of industrial mass production by using PE... The parts may be given some deep by forming them with a pen (as done in school with copper foil from behind). Here the scaled drawing the sun has no 5mm radius 😕 ... And the 81 holes to be drilled into the inside for the nailing - just using 0,1mm holes, filled with Revell-aqua silver? This may be best to use resin, cast, cut and glue it? You could use a coordinate drilling table.
  9. Heinrich der Seefahrer
    Here the scetch for todays surgery trial: I'll try out on Marcs present - the testing parts - first. Especially the feadwood will be a source of trouble I do fear as I cannot immagine where to cut.
  10. Heinrich der Seefahrer
    Today my fit-your-branch-instead-of-food solution... Proxxon add on came by pacle... my neighbour told me!!!
  11. Heinrich der Seefahrer
    The secind point I do see very sceptical onto is the ortamentel end of the side gallery - the knot ended in the LW/CWL what looks to me me quite unbelievable. Alo if the ship was some Inches higher when unmanned and not outfitted. But if you compare the Ancredrawing and the Contemporary drawing of the decor everything upwards the distances and measurements look quite diffrend - fixpoint is the very aft 36-pdr gunport. So I'll copy and compare during the next days.
  12. Heinrich der Seefahrer
    Hello friends, the verylast sentence in the book of Rickenbacher do tell us in the Epilog, that ROYAL LOUIS wasn't very often seen in an escadre out in the sea - but the Genius Colbert was aware of her real role: being representative in and sourrounded by the impressing Toulon arsenals. The imense cost of manning her with 800-1000 men was a second factor... so the titleing as "Versaille of the Seas" was right - so we can see onto her the combination of the will to representate and tell us the proud of France personalisized in the king hisself with any possible pomp and circumstance. And so I can tell you I ended my firsttime reading of the OVER THE WAVES I AM EXCEPTIONAL and showing the first row of remarks where to find what - to avoid the question: "Where the hell I did read this!?" So I use signs for arthistorical proposes, for named details on the ships transom, for importsantv diffrerences between the four pictures.
  13. Heinrich der Seefahrer
    Wow, Marc, that looks fine! 😮
  14. Heinrich der Seefahrer
    Here a small visit to the details of the left barrel, the 24pdr gun barrel of 1660 and the degree of the dolphins so theyvare not easy to mould onto the barrel.
  15. Heinrich der Seefahrer
    I belief in metal as a former foundery man, but I do think the resin wil give use better and finer results due to the huge ammount of decoration additives to be put onto the barrel before the 1670th reformation of ordonance decor - these lead to less dangereous decor to the gun crew and less expensive barrels for the cash masters office. (In the SPbook by Ancre is a hole chapter about th development of ordonance decoration through the 60-90th.) These are three examples of 24pdr due to the decoration fromfroMy.the Ancre Monographie of SAINT PHILIPPE. My true terrifying horror is the pair of dolphin arcs to lift the barrel out of and into the gun casing. I think I'll have to mould them separately and to glue them on.
  16. Heinrich der Seefahrer
    The reason , Marc, why this rebuild is N°2 is my intrest to change more onto the Heller hullparts than I'll do with SAINT PHILIPPE. Good news is as I stay in the same scale I can reuse the thre moulds for the 12, 24 and 36-pfd bronze guns with their high degree of ornamentation I'll place on SP first time. Royal ordonance board gave her a very short time some 48pdrs (s.o.) they might be a bew challange to show her hull in a very defined period.
  17. Heinrich der Seefahrer
    Thanks Marc for the helpfull information. So I have to cut away the deadwood, too. I didn't bothered about this factum - but you are so right!!! Then I'm realy forced to go the hard road by planking and go nuts... WORK IS ALWAYS TOWING WORK WITHIN. German Craftmans Saying. So I can now with hate and anger throwing away the foam block as it is complety useless? Is it a silly idea to build a complete middleboard (as with the Core kits) to glue the sides onto and then gluing the deck beams of the 36er gun deck on top? What about the idea the rest the 4mm screws in there? Can I copy my success done aboard the ROSE (here seen in the left of the middle board as simple tablesaw cuts)? Can it be suddenly this easy going?
  18. Heinrich der Seefahrer
    And that it is in real, @Hubac's Historian Marc, VERY tricky,complex and a mountainous project. The kits transom on the formersplan - it is easy to see it doesn't really fits it is toolong to the keel and too narrow in breadth. So you can imagine the yesterdays measurement wasn't that good. We do talk about some 4mm on each side.in total it means sanding away a 6mm keel plus adding 1mm breadth to each hullside.(This is a first estimate - you see the noshow of commata behind the numbers.) Here the kits lower transom outline (orange) on the formerplan. But N°13 fits perfectly... the lower transomes wale. This picture shows the hull side to the transoms lines. Ant that the wales are not as bad in their ends high to the keel as I was afraid they might be. Yes, Marc, you are right with the challange to form the new keel, nut who says it must be plastic!?😁 Our collegaue with his WANDERER shows an interesting project gluing wood into a plastic hull. This could be intensified... 😉 So here the quater of the hull placed onto the drawing. (Picture doesn't load - will redo this this evening.) Nothing is lost till now. And any progress is growth - so the only thing I'm not allowed to do is to stress myself or fall into a hurry. "The gras doensn't grow faster if you pull on it!" Hetite sheperds saying.
  19. Heinrich der Seefahrer
    Thanks @EJ_L - I figrued out over the weekend that the hull is long enough but too narrow - how much it is too narrow is unknow till now. I now understand fully why you all build the kit as a WLvariant. But as I want to build a hull model I'm unable to do so. A hull model shows a complete hull. Si my idea is to sand down the keel and add on its inside the right keel - depends on how much too slim the hull is moulded by Heller. So let's figure this out - this evening!
  20. Heinrich der Seefahrer
    Hello friends, the second and less documentation equipped ship of the late 60th (XVIIth century) than the several SOLEIL ROYALs and ROYAL LOUISes is the other "1eme rang extraordinaire" battelship of the sunkings navy - Le DAUPHIN ROYAL build in 1668. Unable to find further more tan numeric data about hull, even some scetch of the figure head or anyother meaningfull view I decided to start a third drawing, construction and building threat. As she will base on a wooden hull the eord WOOD in the title isn't a complete porky-py. I felt in love to her opulent decor and castlelike design as the oval windows in the side gallerys attic. She also has six widowed tiers - an unicum in the naval shipbuilding design. We have one cintemporary pencil and wash drawing and a based on this Nucly colored drawing - I do estimate it from the late 60th tio the early 70th of the XX.century as time of birth. (The kings cote of arms with its thre lyses was missly interpreted as a face at the middel balkony!) I do like the coloured version but do miss the colourfull spots of the ordre chained framed cote of arms and the colourfull St.Michel on blach silk ribbon and Superior Orde de Saint Esprite on its sky blue ribbon band. As you can see the decor reassembled as the used ellemente reappear. My idea to imitate the Molierre silk ribbon band is to mask a matt colour surface and spray a part in silkmatt ("seidenmatt"). Also the cote of arms of the DAUPHIN are not correctly reassembled and the deep showing shadowing disappeared by transferring to the coloured parts. The decks are wrongly s traight flat and so I decided co take the scale as from the enlarged b/w copy to some 1/36 at a good 400mm breadth. This will be brought to the right scale oowhenf 1/36 (or 1/24?) when the drawing work is completed. This project serves to collect ideas anahowd workingbsolutions how to assemble a pile of decor and balkonies for the other projects bound at the Heller-SOLEIL ROYAL hull - also several designs shall be tested in a semi small miniaturisation. Here my copy in ~1/36 for the transparent papers drawings. And reconstruction of the side gallerys. All is a spinn off of the Heller hull based projects RL-1668 and SP-1693. Also here will be a huge ammount of drawing and guessing in tje beginning. The history of the last opulent decorated ship under LeBruns and Pigets building direction before SR-1670 will come to you in the next article as it is nearly 2 o'clock in the morning oof a labourfull Friday. Hope you like this troika.
  21. Heinrich der Seefahrer
    Sorry @EJ_L but I was stupid and did the wrong preassumption - so I copied the transom separately, and the breadth confirmed to the underpart of kit-transom... and followed the enlargement of 141,3% by uusing the drawings in the book. So I could work cheaply on a usual copymashine for DIN A3 and A4 paper. The older copies of the hull sides were made from the 1/96 sail and rigging plan up to 1/92. But the transoms and sidrgallery drawings are scaled to 1/48 on DIN A2 paper. And so the hull side copys do fit with the heller hull length. So I got two lines of copies the sides of hull and the transom and sidegallerys decoration. I trespassed to copy the hole decks furiture and general plans also to the 141,3% tothe hulls breadth of 164mm as I thought it will bring me to the 1/92 result. But the hull is not the same breadth im plan as at the kit so the misfortune took its run... The problem is I now have to take big plan sheets and reduce them.on the expensive copymachines down to 1/92. _ _ IT happens! So I have to redo it... therefore I started with some very wrong estimations. By this the progress is slowed down dramaticaly. So sometimes I have bad luck with my own thoughts...
  22. Heinrich der Seefahrer
    There were on the transom three cote of arms and two highest two orders as ornamental additives. The ORDRE DE SAINT ESPRIT ORDRE DE SAINT MICHEL Both gives some colourfull spots in this desert of gold and figures. Here a printing. There are several versions of the both Ordres (and classes rangs) so I'll try to figure out what appearance the 1660th version in the "1eme rang" had had. Here the light blue colour of the background of the cartushe for the Ordre de Saint Esprite and the black morion ribbon band of the Saint Michel. So I'll write some lines to the "International Commission on Orders of Chivalry" to ask for some helpful hand.
  23. Heinrich der Seefahrer
    @George Kapas the RL-1668 is quite unknown to a lot if beople, and I would like to get a group in here to geather all the Heller-SR builders and rebuilders. RL-1668 is not so well nown but well documented and is fact is a big bathtub full of decissions to be made. So you interpretate this as a curlicure, another sees a floralic twirl in it or I do say "Oh no I think it is a dolphin!" And in that moment you have to carve a pair of them and on top twice as a mirrow immage... full of creativity for your own interpretation... leaving the Heller kit behind you like Huba's Historian does by the incredible SOLEIL ROYAL or Cederic with his ROYAL DUC/REINE... and me with my RL-1667 (and later on the ROYAL DAUPHIN 1668 of what nothing without some Data and this two drawings [the coloured seems to be only a version from the 1970th] of the sepia original is left as I figured out till now!). So please don't hasitate to join the HELLER SR re-/builders chorus - blow the dust from the box and start to join us!
  24. Heinrich der Seefahrer
    The real size differs more than I thought it could be... Itook the CWL as point of measurement... ...and also tryed out if the drawing of the transom might be a projection... but it doesn't look like this!
  25. Heinrich der Seefahrer
    Now we do come very fast to the plenty of limitations of the hull, grumpy old guys! 😵 The hull is long enough but the SR was built higher aft. The galion looks fine and does fit. I decided to trust in Mr. Lemineurs drawung and will place everything as it is in the drawing. So if I bring the Tramsom to kits breadth... it is under scale 😬😱😢

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