Don9of11
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Don9of11 reacted to AON in HMS Bellerophon 1786 by AON – scale 1:64 – 74-gun 3rd Rate Man of War - Arrogant-Class
I installed all the chocks, checked my gunport height markings and then cut the gunports out as one side was exposed and I could get a saw blade in there.
I did make a wooden gunport opening template that the outline was traced from.
I will have to rethink the way this is done as the assembly is not the strong and wobbles as the saw teeth grab in.
I can see some advantages to building upside down with the head of the timbers glued to the building board.
I buggered my next frame that would be installed and will have to remake it to move forward.
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Don9of11 reacted to AON in HMS Bellerophon 1786 by AON – scale 1:64 – 74-gun 3rd Rate Man of War - Arrogant-Class
good morning Don
that is a mere 20°
it will go to 60°
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Don9of11 got a reaction from mtaylor in HMS Bellerophon 1786 by AON – scale 1:64 – 74-gun 3rd Rate Man of War - Arrogant-Class
So how much is she listing? Glad to hear you're doing better, Alan.
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Don9of11 got a reaction from cog in HMS Bellerophon 1786 by AON – scale 1:64 – 74-gun 3rd Rate Man of War - Arrogant-Class
So how much is she listing? Glad to hear you're doing better, Alan.
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Don9of11 reacted to Gaetan Bordeleau in 74-gun ship by Gaetan Bordeleau - 1:24
Still some frames are missing at the extreme fore and aft.
Fore ones are now cut.
On the last picture, a wide angle lens was used at 12 mm. This lens lenses allows the camera to get very close to a subject! It is a powerful tool for exaggerating depth.
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Don9of11 reacted to AON in HMS Bellerophon 1786 by AON – scale 1:64 – 74-gun 3rd Rate Man of War - Arrogant-Class
I've been away for a few months busy with work around the house, spring yard work, dethatching the lawn (what a delightful time that was).
My needles are done and my eyesight seems normal, no need for a magnifying glass to read print anymore.
I had been down to the playroom during my absence from the forum but that was for unrelated items except for my reclaiming the rolling base of a broken office chair to make a mobile side table for modelling that you'll see in a photo below.
I am back to fitting chocks between frames and those located on the underbelly are easier inserted from above and inside. To do this comfortably I lowered my modelling lift table and tilted the table top. This work wonderfully. I am so delighted I built my modelling table with these options.
I have two frames on the go in assembly and they both get thicker in their sided dimension at the gunport. I've decided to build these as normal and add the thickness to the area needed after... but before glued to the deadwood. Hope to post this in the next week or two.
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Don9of11 reacted to herask in Yet Another Pandora 3D build
made some modifications as per druxey's suggestions. indeed, shot locker hatches look better this way. only, now they're bigger. now that I look at it, how did one open them and reach into it for canon balls? (if that's what shot locker stands for?). the hatches are now almost as big as regular doors.
fore hold deck beams done as well. need to do those breasthooks (is it called that?) and fore mast step before planking...
cheers!
Denis
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Don9of11 reacted to herask in Yet Another Pandora 3D build
more progress. well with pump holes, some pillars, some lower deck beams for determining hold walls height, main mast and mizen mast steps.... now I saw that I need bolts on doors, duh! also, need to do lantern in magazine, and then I can go onto fore hold deck... feel free to point out any mistakes/omissions you see.
cheers!
Denis
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Don9of11 got a reaction from PeteB in Yet Another Pandora 3D build
Nice detail Denis. I like the first group of photos with the natural wood look but the sun light looks awesome too.
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Don9of11 got a reaction from mtaylor in Yet Another Pandora 3D build
Nice detail Denis. I like the first group of photos with the natural wood look but the sun light looks awesome too.
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Don9of11 reacted to herask in Yet Another Pandora 3D build
making progress in hold area...
and some more screenshots from Unreal Engine 4.... starts to feel like walking through the ship ... ;-))
cheers!
Denis
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Don9of11 reacted to BANYAN in Yet Another Pandora 3D build
A very nice trilogy of reference books for that era indeed Wayne; I would also suggest "Seamanship in the Age of Sail" by Harland to the mix. Harland described how the ships were sailed and operated - this gives some valuable insight to the rigging and presentation of models.
cheers
Pat
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Don9of11 reacted to wrkempson in Yet Another Pandora 3D build
Goodwin and Lavery are entirely different books. Goodwin is the resource for building the ship. Lavery tells you what to put in it. Both books are necessary resources. Add to them Lees' book on Masting and Rigging and you will have a nice trilogy for building these ships.
Wayne
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Don9of11 reacted to mtaylor in Yet Another Pandora 3D build
Thanks for the explanation, Wayne. I have Lavery and Lee's, so it's probably time for HMS Visa to take another hit.
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Don9of11 got a reaction from mtaylor in Yet Another Pandora 3D build
I'm not sure Mark. The book I mentioned covers construction in good detail.
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Don9of11 got a reaction from mtaylor in Yet Another Pandora 3D build
Looking good Denis. Another resource you could look for is "The Construction and Fitting of the English Man of War: 1650-1850" by Peter Goodwin. You might find a good used copy online, maybe Abe books, even Amazon.
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Don9of11 got a reaction from JBeiner in Yet Another Pandora 3D build
What you have circled is called the deadwood knee. The wood that you're looking at on the plans is called deadwood. I discussed this in my post Scantling questions. It starts about half way down the page. The best thing to do is take a look at some contemporary builds, try searching the scratch build section of the forum, HMS Bellerophon comes to mind but there are others.
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Don9of11 got a reaction from Canute in Software recommendations
Check out Onshape, it's free, cloud based, 3D, Mac, PC, Android or iPhone. Easy to learn, plenty of tutorials, and help forums. I've been using Onshape exclusively to model my 74 gun ship (since I don't have access to Solidworks anymore) with good results.
https://www.onshape.com/
I pretty sure this link will let anyone on MSW have a "view only" of my model without having an Onshape account (left mouse click to rotate the model using PC) Also, I think the link is time sensitive but I'm not really sure.
https://cad.onshape.com/documents/57ea50c5d91ac010bb7be5b1/w/79d07ad0512a48804ab65584/e/2f785a9bc8574c4df5bea0f3
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Don9of11 got a reaction from mtaylor in Yet Another Pandora 3D build
What you have circled is called the deadwood knee. The wood that you're looking at on the plans is called deadwood. I discussed this in my post Scantling questions. It starts about half way down the page. The best thing to do is take a look at some contemporary builds, try searching the scratch build section of the forum, HMS Bellerophon comes to mind but there are others.
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Don9of11 reacted to herask in Yet Another Pandora 3D build
stern frames done. next is the keelson and I guess I can start with inner planking...
cheers!
Denis
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Don9of11 reacted to herask in Yet Another Pandora 3D build
frames finished, yay! well, almost. stern frames run away before the photoshoot :-))))
and some more screenshots from UE4 showing how big it is in full scale. I've read somewhere how sailors back then were pretty short, like 1.6m, so I adjusted camera height accordingly. it must've been really impressive to see in person such a beast being built, let alone something bigger, like HMS Victory.... hope you like it!
cheers
Denis
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Don9of11 got a reaction from PeteB in Yet Another Pandora 3D build
Denis, the scanned plans are probably not to scale or have other issues such as stretching or shrinking. Your frame plan probably didn't match up exactly with the deck plans or there could be other issues. Are these the plans from the Anatomy of the Ship series? Either way, based on what I see I would proceed as you suggested. As long as you are confident that your hull is fair then manipulate the plans to fit your hull. There is going to be a certain amount of guess work involved so I wouldn't worry to much about it. Accuracy can be a double-edge-sword when using CAD or similar programs, just remember to think like you were really building the model and a little sanding here or there can equal inches real life. For example, if you're modeling in 1/4 scale, 1 inch is equal to about 0.021 inches, 6 inches equal to 0.125 inches and so on. You're doing a great job, keep up the good work!
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Don9of11 got a reaction from mtaylor in Yet Another Pandora 3D build
I think they are called "chocks" but I could be wrong. Check out the scratch build forum or do a search for HMS Bellerophon which is a 74 gun ship. I remember reading something there about them. There is another e-book you could download that is a smaller version of the big Steel book. It called the Shipwrights Vade Mecum by the same author. There is a definition of terms in both e-books.
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Don9of11 got a reaction from mtaylor in Yet Another Pandora 3D build
Denis, the scanned plans are probably not to scale or have other issues such as stretching or shrinking. Your frame plan probably didn't match up exactly with the deck plans or there could be other issues. Are these the plans from the Anatomy of the Ship series? Either way, based on what I see I would proceed as you suggested. As long as you are confident that your hull is fair then manipulate the plans to fit your hull. There is going to be a certain amount of guess work involved so I wouldn't worry to much about it. Accuracy can be a double-edge-sword when using CAD or similar programs, just remember to think like you were really building the model and a little sanding here or there can equal inches real life. For example, if you're modeling in 1/4 scale, 1 inch is equal to about 0.021 inches, 6 inches equal to 0.125 inches and so on. You're doing a great job, keep up the good work!
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