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Rob, the "weaker sex" indeed. That's a ton of malarkey. Anyone who's seen their wife go through childbirth knows the truth. Women are tough as nails. If men had to bear children... I fear the human race would have gone extinct and you know there would be Abortion Clinics on every corner like Starbucks! 😉 But I digress. I'm glad for your wife that her cure has been made for her. Meanwhile, since nobody's interested in the 3 folks in this pic, I edited them out to focus entirely on the skylight.
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Vladimir, I already shared these on Rob's blog. I took additional pictures and felt these might be a little sharper. The Bow scene has just a little more of the ship which I edited to get the image more balanced. This is actually more true to how Mike sent them to me. I noticed a little child standing between the Captain and his wife on the Rear House deck which I never noticed before.
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Vladimir so often I sound like Rob's echo. I agree, fantastic work on that tough to work but beautiful walnut.
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Rob, I hope your wife didn't suffer too much from the extraction. That can be tough. It's quite fortunate that your dentistry skills will supply her the partial denture. Besides saving your family money, it will get her teeth restored more quickly. We're having to save up thousands for my poor wife Peggy in order to cover similar replacements. Meanwhile she just recently had to have a tooth re repaired that had been previously treated. Her jew's so out of alignment that it's hard for her to chew. Since my cancer surgery recovery was her whole focus, she's been hiding from me how badly she's been suffering. Now that I know, I'm pushing to speed up her timeline to get the work done. I told her we'll figure out how to pay for it. In comparison, I've got to believe that constructing skylights will be a piece of cake....
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Rob, I agree with your observation about the two skylights. From the one clear image we got, it's remarkable how the same structural treatment has been repeated in smaller scale for these two devices. The pedestal mount, most likely blue, as well as some darker trim around the louvered base. The pedestal theme is continued under the roof as well. There's an indent, probably a foot for seating. The natural wood louvered areas appear to be 1' wide each, 3 next to each other with a small verticle divide followed by 3 more which would total 6' in all. Following that pattern the fore and aft sides would be 4 similar sections. My estimate is the lower section would be open for ventilation while the top would be glass enclosed. The metal bars would possibly be brass. From what I've read these sections could also be raised and propped open for additional ventilation in acceptable weather. Meanwhile, as mentioned earlier today, here's more pics Mike shared with me. He had an opportunity to take sectional close ups of the Walter's oil. Pity it wasn't in color. What I immediately noticed is that it appears, as I originally suspected, all 3 outer arch bands for both her Naval Hoods and carved Cutwaters were indeed gilded. Apparently the turned stanchions for both Poop deck and Rear House were natural wood while the rails themselves were white. You can also see that one of the figures on the Rear House deck is obviously a woman in a dress, most likely the Captain's wife standing besides him. It's an interesting personal touch. Finally the Antonio Jacobson painting was shared with me by Mike a few months ago. He wrote that the Stern embellishment would be typical for Clippers of that era. "GLORY of the SEAS" would have had similar such decorations. I will use this as my guide to complete her Stern.
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Rob, if it's not the other aft skylight, do you think it might be part of the original gangway entrance to the rear of the Rear House?
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Rob, in an email I just received, which has some beautiful pictures attached (one's my favorite Walter's oil, the other I edited from a pdf which shows important skylight details, more to follow) Mike confirmed that the skylights on the Rear House layout in "Clipper Ship Captain" pg 175 are indeed 6' × 4' (which means as printed the scale is 1/4" = 2'). He also mentioned that he has a layout in the works for the Afterhouse Cabin which will include two Vestibules, one adjacent to the Chief Mate's Cabin and the other to the Second Mate's Cabin both which exited onto the Dining Salon and also onto the After Deck. That's got to be the two new doors to the Helm House extension to have access to the after deck. I've always been curious too about how they treated the position of the ship's wheel once the extension was added. Or since the helmsman was always basing their position on the ship's compass in the binnacle just in front of them, did this even matter?
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Rob, I'm running out of ways to say superlative work. I'm going to have to refer to a Thesaurus! Absolutely beautiful work.
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The way I explain how my observation differs from Mike's is a trained artist's eye. Shadows define shapes. Light shows raised areas whereas shadows reveal recessed ones. Using that knowledge you can clearly see that where Mike has called out pillars are actually surrounded by recessed areas on both sides. Another interesting feature, again revealed by shadow observation is that the structures surrounding the windows are actually rounded and not rectangular like modern window sashes are. The way you can tell is that shadows on round objects are softer, more diffuse while those on flat surfaces are sharper, more crisply edged. That's how I was able to sketch in greater detail than Mike for the surfaces that I could observe. When I get a chance, I will revise my sketch to correct it according to Mike's excellent example.
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Rob, Vladimir, Here's Mike's Rear House front fascia sketch in a slightly larger scale. One significant difference between my observations and Mike's is where he saw pillars in '78 I currently see mainly insets. Another interesting observation is that in Mike's completed sketch there are 9 distinct pillars, evenly distributed which is very elegant.
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Vladimir, Mike continues to amaze me with rare, never before seen images of Glory. I have one additional front fascia sketch by Mike that I need to convert from Adobe pdf which can't be shared to jpg files which can. Meanwhile Mike has now generously offered to share any pic from his 2 books that we request. Let me know if you have any particular preferences. Please specify either book #1 or #2 and what facing page it's on. That's precisely how I managed to get one of the most consequential images we've seen so far. The one of Glory at the Seattle dockside in 1911 was in Michael's first book but not the full image he shared. Very often publishers edit photos in order to fit specific locations. In my spare time, I'm going to compile my own list.
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Rob, Mike continues to amaze me with his treasure trove of rare images. This unfortunately also reveals how little respect the new owners had for a historic vessel. If they had only invested in proper Muntz metal refreshment, she would still be with us today.
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Rob, Vladimir, as promised, Mike shared some additional pics of the front fascia of Glory's Rear Carriage House. I mentioned before that I made some errors in my reconstruction sketch. Without the ability to see better into the shadows, my upper level just below the roof was conjectural. Mike's drawing as far as that section is concerned is more accurate as he had better knowledge. Meanwhile, I also didn't account for space to incorporate the two outer fancy brackets under the roof overhang. Had I done that, there would only have been one outer rectangle instead of two. Again Mike's sketch is right. Where it looks like Mike has interpreted the fascia wrong is where he has projecting pillars, mine has recesses. That's where I feel my sketch is more accurate.
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Rob, Vladimir, I don't know about you guys but I always get so jazzed when Mike sends me more rare detailed pics of "GLORY of the SEAS!" As we've been discussing her Rear Carriage House a few of these images will be familiar but some again are ones I've never seen before. The fascia of the Carriage House is lighter so that the pedestals at the top and arches are clearly visible now. The beautiful painting is one I've never seen before. Mike has also offered to send me any image from either of his 2 books should I want. I'm going to look closely to see if there are ones that will help us in our modeling endeavors.
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For modeling purposes, I estimate this structure to be 6' wide by either 6' or 8' long. The front would be 3-4' elevated in the center with 2 1-1 & 1/2' outside areas. The rear looks to be 1' high, so the front may be 1 & 1/2 high on the outside and 2' high in the center. Rough estimates based on visual observations. I'll sketch an idea of what we're discussing.
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Rob, You may be right that this interesting structure is for ventilation. Post #1747 also reveals a double level to the front profile that I never noticed before. It's very dark but I swear I can see closed louvers in shadows. They seem to be separated by verticle columns to which they're mounted. Considering in the original configuration, the helmsman and ship's wheel were both in front of the house and just protected by a 2-3' wall, having 4 windows for a relatively small open structure would provide plenty of light. So I'm thinking more like you that this little addition is most likely ventilation.
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Rob, isn't it more likely this is some form of a skylight? After all, in the rain, vents would let in water to an otherwise enclosed room. A small room that already had 2 doors and 4 windows for ventilation already. My guess is a skylight with a louvered front and cantilevered roof to allow water to flow backwards to a larger roof below.
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Rob, my pleasure. Anyway I can be of service to you Master Modelers, I'm there for you.
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Vladimir that is stunning! Congratulations. I'm currently working on the rear Wheelhouse. I've almost completed the rear face and have a good amount of the side done too. Pics will follow.
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Beautiful craftsmanship Rob, simply beautiful
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Rob, after you told me about the Glory under Sail image, it dawned on me that unless they added an internal door to the front of the original Wheelhouse, there would be no possible entrance into the new expanded Helm House. It made more sense to design in two new doors and additional windows for better traffic flow. What I still marvel at is even original style fancy molding was included so that the extension was seamlessly added.
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Hi Arina, thanks for setting the record straight about your dad's relationship to the Nautical Research Society. While I overshot by thinking he was at one time President it's a relief to know I hit the mark on him being a past editor of their Journal. The point I was making to Rob is that your dad has the right connections to get another article on Glory published, should he see the value in such an endeavor. Again, thanks for weighing in.
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While it's barely visible, I concede your point. I've also written to Michael to clear up this issue. What continues to baffle me is the lack of visible hinges. As soon as Mike responds, I will let you know. He also has a few more images of the Rear and Front Houses which I asked him to share with us.
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Rob, I'd say this is definitive. When the ship's Helm House was extended, there was two doors and three windows per side and it appears two fore and aft. You can also see that the molding pattern has been maintained consistently in order to keep the appearance that she was originally built that way. Very impressive well thought out work.
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