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Untangling and rerigging or start from scratch?
ChiefClanker replied to Rgpracer's topic in Masting, rigging and sails
Hi Ray, Being a little late to your game, so to speak, I echo the advise already given about packing up the ship and saving it for a rainy day, and after gaining more experience as a model shipwright. I am also new to the game. You might want to consider Louie da fly's Winchelsea Nef. Check out his build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/29377-winchelsea-nef-1274-ad-by-louie-da-fly-175-finished/. This is where I am starting as well. Here is my build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/29758-winchelsea-nef-by-chief-mark-scale-196-first-wood-scratch-build/. Welcome and best to you! Chief Mark -
In order to square the frames laterally and longitudinally, I will use modeling clay. Also, the fit is sort of snug, so that helps. I'll post a photo with the frames supported by modeling clay. I used this method when building models as a kid as well as later in life. Using a small square piece of wood as my 'level' is also a help.
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Yes, I entire agree the frames are way too thick! For the restart, I will use smaller stock and change the blade on my scroll saw before cutting.
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Before gluing the frames in place, I will make the deck and through beams and glue them to the frames. I redrew the frames with futtocks, deck beams, and through beams as appropriate. I am looking forward to building the same ship a couple times at the same time. It will be an exercise of 'consistency' between the two models. Besides, I feel like I have a bit of 'catching up' to do with some of the rest of you! I want to make sure my technique is good before tackling a larger project.
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Okay, Here is the photo.
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Here are the current frames dry fitted. Some of the frames have notches that ended up too wide and need to be remade. The first two frames are glued in place; the stem post being to the right. Louie da fly was a great help in answering questions about making frames etc out of solid stock or out of laminated stock or plywood.
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After researching how to build keels and frames and asking experienced model shipwright questions, I decided to start over. That being said, I am using my first attempt as a learning exercise before building frames by constituent parts and to build them one frame at a time. This will also allow practice making the planks, strakes, and wales before attempting the start over. I created a jig to hold the model as the frames are put into place. The photo shows the jig and the stem and stern posts and the keel in place.
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A few years ago in anticipation of becoming a model shipwright, I made this custom table saw throat. With the stock throat, the saw chipped chunks away at thinner pieces of wood. This throat prevents that. Using it provides a nice clean cut.
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Interesting information about planking first construction then frames. It seems backwards; but then they built ships. Thank you for the heads up.
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At the same time, thank you for your concern!
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Oh! Heavens, no! I decided to continue building the original ship as a means to learn how to do make and attach the strakes, wales, and bottom planks. At the same time, 'start over' with making the 'plywood' frames, stem post, stern post, and keel. I am also looking more closely at how you built your frames and seeing how I was missing some details. Today I will start to redraw my frame plans. So, all is well and not lost. Fair winds and following seas, Mark
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Thank you for the advice. I'll have to make another trip to the hobby shop! I think I'll remake the stem post, stern post, and keel as well.
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In the past, as I read about how the frames of sailing ships were constructed, I was hoping to 'short-cut' that process.
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Looking at the drawing of my frames, the grain of the wood is horizontal. The frames are two half frames. The grain of the beams will be oriented longitudinally. Considering the scale, 1:96, I was hoping orienting the grain of the wood in this fashion would eliminate or at least reduce the effects of the grain. It seems to me, I need more advice and to study the frames in the photos and how others have made their frames.
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I completed drawing the frames with the through and deck beams. Now comes cutting out the deck beams, tracing them onto the woodstock, and cutting them out.
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It has been a few days since working on my ship. Today I worked on designing thinner frames and have committed to using my scroll saw to do so. Speaking of the scroll saw, I bolted the auxiliary table top to the table top. I am also redrawing the deck beams to show the camber. Tomorrow, if time permits, the frames and deck beams will be either modified or cut out. Then the process of attaching them to the keel will commence. In terms of the hull planks, I will try Louie da Fly's method of using a soldering iron to heat the planks to bend them around the frames. More later.
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Your model is looking very good! Keep up the good work. Mark
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NEW MEMBER and new to model ship building
ChiefClanker replied to Peter6172's topic in New member Introductions
Welcome aboard, shipmate! Glad to have another model railroader in the MSW crew! N-Scale is my scale of choice at this time. I started in HO and may go back to it in a few years. The eyes and fingers are as good as they were in the past. Scale 1:96 and 1:160 are my modeling choices. 1:96 for most ship models. -
Keep up the good work, Greg! This model give me a good idea of what is ahead for me. Good thing I'm tackling a smaller project first. Current build: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/29758-winchelsea-nef-by-chief-mark-scale-196-first-wood-scratch-build/
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Untangling and rerigging or start from scratch?
ChiefClanker replied to Rgpracer's topic in Masting, rigging and sails
One of the correct depictions in this drawing is of the 'king spoke.' It is the top-most handle which is slightly larger and has different shape and feel to it. With the king spoke straight up, the rudder is amidships; the ship sailing straight ahead. In the dark a helmsman can tell in which direction the ship is headed by having his hand one the king spoke. In commencing on being a model shipwright, keep your hand on the king spoke! -
Untangling and rerigging or start from scratch?
ChiefClanker replied to Rgpracer's topic in Masting, rigging and sails
Ray, Looks like you have quite a job ahead of you! Keep it up! -
Keith, Your model is a very impressive model! I love the old photographs and how you solved the problem of the wheels for the guns. What method did you use for your attempt at making the wheels? Mark
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Right about the sheer. I was examining the plan view again and am taking the sheer into account. At the moment, I decided how to produce the camber on the decks and will give it a try this coming week. After looking at your model, Steve, your point of making the fore deck and after deck with too steep of a slope is clear. In drawing the deck beams and through beams, the importance of correctly making the camber and slope of the two decks correctly is very important. This is where it might take more than one attempt at making these items is in order. As you said, the final result will be worth the effort.
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