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Will be now looking for what to build after the Sherbourne

1 hour ago, palmerit said:

I never had any problems with the wood breaking (except when I smacked the stern end stupidly while sanding too aggressively) on the Sherbourne. The softer wood is pretty thick, and the thin wood is pretty strong. 
 

I’m also doing the Model Shipwright series of three boats, which is a different style (Dory, Pram, and Smack) - also fun, but very different. Those models have a lot of soft, thin basswood that can break if you’re not careful (and that gets fuzzy). 

I had tried the Dory and that is part of why I got stuck , plus some of those directions where not very clear to me with some of the first steps. Yes some of those pieces are way to flimsy.

50 minutes ago, chris watton said:

We are about to ship AgesofSail a new order tomorrow, which includes Sherbournes

Thank you I emailed them and they told me that. Impressed that they answered me in under 5 minutes. 

14 hours ago, palmerit said:

You might ask them if they have any on the way. I did get mine shipped from the UK because ageofsails was out of stock. They got a bunch in a month later. 
 

I don’t have a jig and I have tons of other (arguably unnecessary) tools. Something like the sherbourne is pretty small and you can just hold it in your hands. I also have it (now that it’s planked and painted) sitting on towels. Maybe when rigging it I might decide a jig is useful. 

I emailed them and asked, they said they have a shipment on the way soon from England and should have some next week with any luck. I also found this on youtube, He has made a bunch of videos on the Sherbourne.

I did notice in his video some of the wood sheets are rather thin, I would not want to accidentally break parts. Guess just have to be really careful.

are there any decent boat keel building jigs? I see billings jig but do not see any place to buy it.

10 minutes ago, palmerit said:

Have you checked out Vanguard Models (https://vanguardmodels.co.uk). If you're in the US, you can order from https://www.agesofsail.com. The Sherbourne is probably the same price as the Titanic from Occre and has really clear instructions (though obviously very different ships). Vanguard also has less expensive fishing vessels. These models will keep you busy too. I've been working on the Sherbourne since summer.

 

You can see the instructions on the Vanguard web site. You can see that they're a lot more detailed than the Occre instructions (just photos) and videos.

Looks like a nice model, If I get that I will have to order from the UK. Seems ageofsail has that model as out of stock.

Think I might go with titanic by occre has a line of videos to help  it will keep me busy for a good amount 

1 hour ago, SkiBee said:

Model Shipways Shipwright 3 Kit Series. By the time you finish the 3rd boat,

About 2 years ago I had tried the Dory but totally messed up in the start of the kit and it ended up in the trash. I should try again and this time I did find the youtube video on step by step on the dory.

Hi all

Would like to give this a try, I had made a attempt a few years ago but did not get very far. Had looked at Occre Bounty boat and found a couple videos they made on building it. Figured a good video could be a very helpful thing but there video has no audio what so ever or subtitles or anything like that. Any sugjestions for a beginner. On there site if you search for beginner it was showing me the Santa Maria, Looks like a nice kit but it is over 200 dollars.

Would like something that will teach me and the directions are half way decent and not to to expensive.

What are the basic tools I will need?

On 8/16/2022 at 1:43 PM, GrandpaPhil said:

I’ve built the Dumas PT Boat.  It is very nice.  I enjoyed it very much.

Thanks keeping an eye out for when this kit might go on sale. Does anyone know of kits for the riverboats from vietnam. Believe PBR MkII Patrol boats aka Dirty water navy.

Andrew

4 hours ago, mtdoramike said:

When asked this question, I usually recommend one particular model and that is the Model Shipways Bluenose. It's fairly inexpensive, won't require a bunch of tools, minimal rigging and the most important part is the shape of the hull, which is an arrow shape and due to the shape, one of the easiest hulls to plank. I think everyone on here will attest to hull planking as being one of the most difficult if not the most difficult part of model ship and boat building and the second would be rigging.

 

As far as tools go, here is my go to list:

 

Rotary tool (I use daily)

small brass hammer

mini needle nose pliers

mini cutting pliers

hand drill

Good assortment of micro drill bits as well as standard drill bits

and a coping saw

 

Materials:

A good CA glue I use mainly medium viscocity and thin viscocity in some areas (and a lot of it)

A good CA glue kicker

small mini clamps

push pins

mini square (or make your own)

a bunch of sand paper from 80 grit to 600 grit

KEEL CLAMP = I highlighted this because all the tools in the world can't overcome a twisted and warped keel. I usually make my own with 1"x2" wood boards and screws.

 

There are a ton of other stuff, but this would get you started. 

 

With the above tools, I can build any ship or boat models and have, which at present, I'm closing in on 200 models from boats, ships, planes and a few automobiles, which include wood and plastic. 

blue nose 1/100 or 1/65? https://modelexpo-online.com/search.asp?keyword=bluenose, Several come up in the search

45 minutes ago, mtdoramike said:

When asked this question, I usually recommend one particular model and that is the Model Shipways Bluenose. It's fairly inexpensive, won't require a bunch of tools, minimal rigging and the most important part is the shape of the hull, which is an arrow shape and due to the shape, one of the easiest hulls to plank. I think everyone on here will attest to hull planking as being one of the most difficult if not the most difficult part of model ship and boat building and the second would be rigging.

 

As far as tools go, here is my go to list:

 

Rotary tool (I use daily)

small brass hammer

mini needle nose pliers

mini cutting pliers

hand drill

Good assortment of micro drill bits as well as standard drill bits

and a coping saw

 

Materials:

A good CA glue I use mainly medium viscocity and thin viscocity in some areas (and a lot of it)

A good CA glue kicker

small mini clamps

push pins

mini square (or make your own)

a bunch of sand paper from 80 grit to 600 grit

KEEL CLAMP = I highlighted this because all the tools in the world can't overcome a twisted and warped keel. I usually make my own with 1"x2" wood boards and screws.

 

There are a ton of other stuff, but this would get you started. 

 

With the above tools, I can build any ship or boat models and have, which at present, I'm closing in on 200 models from boats, ships, planes and a few automobiles, which include wood and plastic. 

Can you recommend a good keel clamp? One I can Order in the us?

5 hours ago, mikiek said:

If you find you like the Model Shipways kit there are several options for the "next build". Pride of Baltimore, Rattlesnake, Niagra (my first build), Confederacy for starters. All of these have many build logs for reference and many of those authors are still online at MSW so you can PM directly.

 

Another option to get a taste of a complete build without having to dedicate months to planking or rigging is the cutaway builds. They just take a slice out of a boat that includes the under decks, main deck and usually 1 mast with all the rigging. These are some of my favs. They take up very little space for display.

 

There are a lot of others out there, but as I mentioned earlier, be ready for 3rd world instructions.

 

Lastly, I get a little worried when I see builders worrying about the next build when they haven't started the kit on the bench. I say this from personal experience. During my first build which lasted about 2 years, I ended up buying multiple "next" kits and tools. If I lived to be 150 I would not finish all the kits I bought. So just be careful!

Thank you, Just looked on Model shipways the only one that I can not seem to find is the Niagra in a search for the kit. Maybe the stopped making it?

I am a new jack and looking for a future big project. What tools are needed for this build? How hard is this ship to build? How difficult to make the parts not supplied with the laser cut parts you can buy? How much are the installment sets?

Andrew

1 hour ago, Paul Le Wol said:

Hi Andrew, further to what Roger suggested with the PT Boat, Dumas makes a nice looking PT109. There is a build log by “popeye the sailor “ on this site. It looks really nice. Probably get it for under 200USD if Model Expo has a sale

Thank you

How often do they have a sale? Looks like that guy got his for like 148 at some hobby store, Lucky find.

6 hours ago, allanyed said:

I have no idea, but look at the build logs, they may shed some light on this.   https://modelshipworld.com/forum/92-member-build-logs-for-the-hms-winchelsea/    We all have budget constraints, but the old adage that you get what you pay for holds true.  There are some really good kits and there is a lot of junk available which yield something more akin to a toy than a real ship.   As the Grail Knight said to Walter Donvan, choose wisely........

Allan

Any idea what these installments cost? No idea since his store is offline at the moment but would be nice to know about what they cost. Also I see people using some kind of jig to hold up their work as they start to build. What jig is that and where to find?

Andrew

3 hours ago, Roger Pellett said:

Ship models are long term projects and it can be difficult to keep up interest.  In my opinion it is therefore important to work on something that interests you.  While I agree that the beginner’s kits are a good way to learn fundamentals, there is little point to buying a fishing boat kit if fishing boats don’t interest you.

 

I also agree with Jaager that steel hulled ships are difficult to model.   See examples in the scratch building logs 1900 and Later.  I am building a model of the steel hulled Benjamin Noble Great Lakes Freighter and it’s slow going!

 

So, if you’re interested in World War II, why not build a wooden hulled World War II vessel. PT Boats, small landing craft, warship’s boats were all wooden hulled.  This means that you will be scratch building but if you have basic woodworking skills and a reasonable understanding of geometric relationships construction of a PT boat using craft plywood should be doable.

 

Roger

Scratch building a PT boat is a interesting idea but I have never scratch build anything and with out some sort of kit to guide me. Well I would not know where to start.

3 hours ago, allanyed said:

https://syrenshipmodelcompany.com/hms-winchelsea-1764.php

 

Chuck has closed the store for a few weeks or so, but will be open again long before you are ready so no worries.   This MAY be the answer for you.  The quality is top shelf.    I don't think anyone else does installments, but if they do, I am sure some member will let you know.

Allan

Hi Allan

thank you for this info Little hesitant on his models since they do require some scratch building. Do they come with the drawnings of the parts I would need to make that are not included? Or information out there on how to make the parts not included?

Also anyone heard of tapatalk? Is it possible to use it with these forums? Have not found these forums on the app but in a search almost looks like a few people have used it.

After the Dory and the two other beginner kits what is a good kit to look at? Would love to at some point build one of the tall ships but not sure what one. Possibly one can get in sections so do not have to lay out several hundred dollars at once to buy the kit. Not sure how many have kits that you can buy like that.

Andrew

https://modelexpo-online.com/Model-Shipways-Lowell-Grand-Banks-Dory-with-Tools-124-Scale-Skill-Level-I-of-the-Shipwright-Learning-Series_p_3959.html

I have ordered this model and will be my first ship build

Andrew

57 minutes ago, VTHokiEE said:

Hi Andrew - Welcome to MSW!

 

I see that you're considering the Columbu ships or WW2 but I would toss Vanguard models (https://vanguardmodels.co.uk/product-category/vanguard-model-kits/) into the mix. These are unfortunately a little more expensive than you probably were thinking for an initial kit, but  makes some great kits (I built the Alert kit) and would heartily recommend them as a manufacturer. The fishing vessels would probably be a good first kit to start with. FYI - Ages of Sail (https://www.agesofsail.com/ecommerce/new-vanguard-models.html?limit=36) is a US distributor for them.

 

I apologize for suggesting something that doesn't exactly meet your thread (inexpensive and Columbus/WWII) but I think there's a high chance of success with these kits which might be worth a peek.

Thank you I will check these out

57 minutes ago, VTHokiEE said:

 

 

 

 

Thank you for the message and I replied. Thinking about one of the ships that Columbus sailed with or any ww2 ships in wood kits?

Andrew

Located in Virginia about half way between DC and Richmond. Looking to get into Wooden ship building but have never attempted a model build like this before. Good kits to look at that wont break the bank. Also nothing to small as I have big fingers and the eye sight is not what it used to be, Nothing to big as only have so much room lol. Also What tools and good places to find them?

Andrew