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Thank you Matthias, that is very kind of you indeed! However, I am not sure this would meet a proper 'kit standard', and quite a few tweaks would be needed - besides I don't really have any ambitions in that direction (and my skills are not good enough in my own opinion!). But I do really enjoy the design process and will be doing more of that! And when this model at some point gets finished (it is still early days on this build!), if anyone is interested in the plans you can reach out and I will be happy to share. But let's see how it goes first 😉.
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Ah, those will be covered by a raised deck right in front of the wheel. It will hide the rudder cables etc. You can see the construction on these plans: I just haven't gotten around to making that part yet 😁. So those exposed mdf pieces are there for a structural purpose on my build and does not reflect how the original would have been made!
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Log entry 7 - modified deck, re-printing cannon, fixing mistakes and inner bulwarks This turned into a long post - quite a few things have happened in the past few days. New engraved deck As mentioned in the previous post, I needed a new deck with a better fit. I decided to keep the engraving and only change the outer shape to fit. This is because I actually drew the deck planking based on the original plans, so changing the engraving would be moving away from the historical sources. I took the advice I received a few posts back and made the nail engravings less deep - I like the new look. Here it is compared to the first version: Cannon in the right size I scaled down my 18 pdrs to 12 pdrs and re-printed them. Here they are curing: And here's a comparison to the 18 pdrs: Even though they are only 13% smaller, they look significantly smaller side by side. Problems... This is where the trouble began. I naturally put the cannons on the deck and quickly realized I had an issue: the barrels were not at all in the middle of the gun ports. I did a bunch of measurements on the model, on my CAD designs and on the original plans and I cane to the conclusion that two things had happened; I had used the wrong thickness of the two layer deck and therefore had the deck a bit too high, by about 0.8 mm and when applying the plywood bulwark patterns, the fit was good at the ends, but due to the curvature of the hull and less than perfect taper of the parts, they were sitting to low at the middle of the hull, by about 1.2-1.5 mm. A total of 2.0-2.2 mm. A quick decision was made to build up the bulwarks to make up for the difference. This will only be adding the 0.8 mm that the deck sits too high at the middle, the rest is just compensating for the bad fit of the plywood bulwark. It is not so pretty right now, but that fortunately does not matter, as the wales will entirely cover the repairs - it sits right under the gun ports. Inner bulwark patterns But as I now had the repair sitting on top of the bulwark, I decided to add the inner bulwarks to strengthen them, and therefore I needed to glue in the deck first! I made a paper template on the model, scanned it (with a ruler...), drew it in CAD and laser cut it - it was quick work and only took around an hour total. I made it in two parts to not waste the 0.5 mm material. Here the last part being glue in with almost enough clamps... And this is now the state of things: I like the small, fat cannons and the carriages with no visible wheels (they do have two small wheels on the inside at the front). Now, I can continue with the planking. I will protect the engraved deck with a cardboard cover while I work on the outside of the hull. BR TJM
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Log entry 6 - sanding, keel and start of second planking Sanding the hull went quickly and there were no weird areas that needed filler, which I was happy about, especially as I designed the frames myself. There are a few hairline cracks between a few of the planks, but nothing that will be an issue when adding the second layer I deem. Here is the state after sanding and gluing in the keel: I went on and added the three first planks of the second layer and removed the upper parts of the bulkheads and the temporary braces. I also tested the fit of the engraved deck, but as expected it needs a bit of tailoring both at the stern and the prow. I guess it was very optimistic to cut this to begin with with everything being modelled only in 2D CAD! However, these images still give a good impression of what it will look like when a slightly better fitting version is added (which won't be until the second planking is completed). I just need to redesign the deck - making the engraving fit will be a bit tedious, but a few hours should see it done and cut. I can do it while I re-print my canon in the correct size... 🤣. The worst will be that I will need to re-design and re-cut the 2 mm pear edge and due to the shape it takes a whole 500x80 mm sheet so that was a bit of a waste. Anyways, that will teach me to be over confident and cut everything from the start just to have it all like a kit... 😅 On with the planking! BR TJM
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Log entry 5 - first planking layer done! Alright, the first layer is done! Here is the current state, before any sanding: It was a very easy hull to plank, with quite gentle curves and relatively little tapering needed. This is my third time planking a hull, and this was definitely the easiest yet. Also the smallest, which helps. It looks a bit rough now, before any sanding, but looking down the hull, I think it will be easy to sand it and the lines are very nice as you turn the hull in your hand (if that makes sense, hard to explain...). I also dry fitted the keel, made from 3 mm pear, which fit in very nicely: After sanding, I will glue this in, and then it is on to the second planking! BR TJM
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Very good looking model, I have enjoyed following along! 👍
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Log entry 4 - more canon and carriages It has been a little while and it is time for a few updates. I have almost finished the first planking of the hull, but I am missing the last two planks - I will show some pictures in the next update. In the meantime, I tried to create a carriage as best I could from the drawings and Eckersbergs paintings and drawings. There is a bit of guesswork, but I am quite happy with this look. I considered making it from laser cut wood, but decided to try to 3D print it first. However, in my excitement I forgot that I was actually modelling the short 18 pdr! So I didn't scale it down to 12 pdr size... But I decided to print some barrels at the same time, so I got a bunch of 18 prdr barrels and carriages that fit together: I think it will work nicely with the 3D printed carriage when fitted out with eye bolts and painted, I just need to scale it down to 87 % size for it to be a 12 pdr instead! Here is a comparison of the new 18 pdr and my previously printed 12 pdrs: I will be back with another update on the hull planking soon. BR TJM
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I had somehow not noticed you started this project @Thukydides! It is absolutely fantastic! Your micro modelling and painting skills are really superb! 🏆 I found files for these 1/700 ships for 3D printing and was sorely tempted, but I think I will hold off a bit. That is another rabbit hole and I would not do it justice like you. I will just admire your work here for now 😁 BR TJM
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TJM replied to CPDDET's topic in CAD and 3D Modelling/Drafting Plans with Software
Also, be sure not to scale the supports, at least if you do resin 3D printing. They will quickly become too small and the print will fail as the (weak) supports are ripped off the piece. A print service should be able to re-scale and add new supports that fits the new scale. -
Very interested to follow this build. I have version 2 of this kit for a (far...) future project, and while I understand that there are significant differences between version 2 and 3, especially on the rigging, it will still be a very nice reference to have your log to look into!
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