AlfredoCampos

Well hello again. While not in here, in facebook (https://www.facebook.com/groups/520157015499544/permalink/1841930423322190/) this discussion on techniques generated quite an interesting discussion, not so much on techniques but on to weather or not to weather. I'll spare you the details, but essentially I've decided to do 3 more tests, trying different aspects of that discussion. 6) Just a wash of 1:3 judean bitumen and a wash of indian ink solution (1 drop for 4 ml). This tries to simulate weathering on a well kept ship, with no signs of humidity. 7) A previous sparce dashing of black painting and, after sanding, number 6 again. This tries to simulate weathering on a less kept ship, where humidity will be applied but sparingly, only in recesses and by the waterways. 😎 Number 6, but using 1:3 and 1:2 bitumen washed. Tries to simulate replacement of planks but didn't go very well. -- In all cases plank sides were painted black instead of simply penciled. All taken into account, I've decided to basically combine 7 and 8: - use black paint on the edges of planks - use black paint on specific places, recesses and by waterways - use a wash of 1:2 bitumen and reapply on some planks here and there, followed the 1d:4ml indian ink wash In the picture you can see the deck already planked and etched with furniture places (for which I used a print of the 1:1 upper view in transparent paper. This will guide the sanding in more and less weathered places, that is, those more tread on. Also the "upper" deck, already nailed with toothpics and with black paint applied. And finally the upperdeck wall, nailed, painted and already sanded, ready for the washes. Thank you!

Here I present you with the result of five weathering techniques. Or, to be more specific, variations of 2 or 3 techniques. Techniques: 1) Plank sides penciled, dashes of black paint and sanding, wash of walnut in a 1:2 ratio. 2) Plank sides painted black, wash of judean bitumen (1:4) and sanding, wash of indian ink with alcohol and sanding (4 drops per 4 ml, unintended mess up). 3) Planks glued with bitumen colored glue, dashes of black paint and sanding, wash of judean bitumen (1:4) and sanding, wash of indian ink with alcohol and sanding (again with the wrong proportion). Second wash of 1:4 bitumen. 4) Plank sides painted black, dashes of black paint and sanding, wash of judean bitumen (1:3) and sanding 5) Plank sides painted black, dashes of black paint and sanding, wash of judean bitumen (1:3) and sanding, wash of indian ink with alcohol and sanding (1 drop per 4 ml). Note: all were more sanded, particularly in the middle, as all weathered parts will have different amounts of sanding according to use. My opinion: 1) Hate it. Period. 2 and 3) I very much like the plank sides painted black in 2, more effective as caulking simulation than pencil or colored glue. On the other hand, the second bitumen wash (in comparison with 4 and 5) made it a bit too yellowish. Also, the mistake in indian ink proportions messed up the result. 4) Increasing bitumen wash proportion to 1:3 and applying only once gives a less yellowish look than 3, which look better to my eye, but maybe a bit orange. I also like the result of black paint dashing and sanding as simulating humidity. 5) Now with the proper proportion of indian ink wash, I think it gives a nice result in highlighting caulking and humidity, and also in toning down the orange in 4. Maybe a bit too dark, I may dilute the indian ink even more. So, now I'm inclined to go for either 4 or 5. Would love to hear your opinions!

The Albatros by Occre will be my second ship, after the Bounty Launch also by Occre. In the Bounty - a great learning experience - I decided I wouldn't follow planking instructions and would do a proper "full plank from stern to bow" planking. For the Albatros, the challenge I'm going for is weathering. I realize it's subject to debate, some people love the effects, others consider models shouldn't be weathered. Personally, I like it. Have researched a few techniques, the next post will be about some tests.

After doing the Bounty Launch as my first model, I'm starting the Albatros now. I very much like your planking pattern and your use of braces for ensuring hull structure. On my model I'll try some weathering techniques. Will keep following your log!

The Bounty Launch is finally complete! A very long learning trip, in which I early decided to now follow Occre's planking instructions and do a proper planking. Also added some little details inspired in other buildlogs and a couple more things. In the end, I think only one structural mistake was not corrected. I the first picture it can be clearly noticed that the bowsprit does not properly sit in the hull and, in consequence, the end if a few degrees upper than it should be, which in turn changed the front sails disposition a bit. Still, all in all, I'm very satisfied. Some details on the rigging, added some coils in the ends. Also tried to do different coils so it would not be repetitive and a bit more realistic. In the picture it can also be seen how the roar blades were bevelled. Some more detail on detail in the rigging endings, now in the certer mast. Coils in the floor can also be seen. Something I decided to also change, rings both in the benches and sails were neither left bright brass nor painted black, instead worn (in vinegar and salt). And finally, since the model had no stand, I built one based on the one included in the Albatros. That's all my friends, already starting the Albatros, where I'll try to learn weathering techniques. Thank you all for following, for your patience and, most of all, your fruitful advice. It has been a pleasure!

Finally finished all works on the hull. After the initial setbacks, I'm quite satisfied with the result. First idea: never give up! Just as I was disapointed with the first planking and later satisfied after sanding and filling, I think the final result on the second planking is rather nice. It needed a good sanding which discolored the planks quite a lot. They are sapeli but my stain is rather orange looking, so I decided to try different mixtures of sapeli, oak and water. This result, quite similar to the original, was a mix of 1:1:2. Only slight defects are noticeable. All in all, I'm quite happy that I decided to do a full planking. It did take a lot of time, but these skills will surely come in handy. This oak colored part broke and, after trying to repair it, I decided to simply do a new one in balsa wood. I think the result wasn't too bad. On the other hand, this one is also quite damaged, but I decided this one would be too much. It's probably the worst looking part on the boat. One more thing in which I decided to not follow the instructions was on the rudder handle, which was golden and I painted black. The same on those two wheels and the rings on the benches. I wanted to actually blacken the brass but had no proper products, so for this model I simply painted. Finally, the deadeyes are already attached. Was having a hard time preparing them until i got myself a handful third hand. They are not quite the same, but close enough for a first timer. That's all for now, onwards to the masts! Thank you all for reading and, most of all, the helpful advice once in a while!

Hey, thank you for your remarks! Followed your advice regarding the holes, it looks nice. Pics soon I'd like your opinion on the clink I had at the bow both in first and second planking, it's been in my head this whole time and your remark on the "wood supplied" got me thinking further. Could it be that Occre's hull structure and plank width does not allow - at least for a beginner - deviations from their instructions and, thus, prevent a proper planking design? I started to consider this because: 1) looking at your scratch build, namely the fact that you have 10 planks and occre has 15 5mm planks. 2) when at first i fit a planking batten at the middle, indeed it went far up at the bow and to a lesser degree in the stern. Indeed, when I was planking the clink was the result of forcing the planks to the place they needed to be in order to fit the 15 planks, when naturally they wanted to go up. Could it be that, with the premade structure and planks supplied its impossible - at least for a begginer - to deviate from the instructions, meaning i would have needed less and wider planks? Or is it just begginers lack of skill? Thank you!

Well, it basically took me a month to do the second planking. I expected that, despite the awful result of the first planking, after filling and sanding the second planking would go smoothly. It was not so. The biggest problem was at the bow, where it proved impossible - for my hands - to plank properly, as the planks clinked at a certain point, leading to this ugly result. Furthermore, there are small gaps in many places, where i was unware that planks were not properly connected. You can also note the small holes left by the pins, but I couldn't hold the planks while the glue settled. Now, before i go further with the build, i'll take a bit to improve the result. I'll try to sand a bit to even the hull, filling and painting where necessary. Thank you all!

Hello to you all, and a happy new year! Again a lot of time has passed, progress does go rather slow. Still, from the above pictures, you could see how much work my model needed before I could proceed to the second planking. In the following picture you can see the overall look at the moment. The hull was filled and sanded, the keel applied, the spaces for oars cut and the topmost of the second planking applied. I think that the model is looking rather decent after this work, namely the bow which was, after the first planking, a complete disgrace. A frontal look, here its possible to see that, with considerable filling and sanding, the deformation near the keel was correct quite nicely I believe. And a look at the stern, where the first planking was also quite messed up, namely with a splintered plank and a poorly done stealer, was also corrected. Now onwards to the second plaking, now quite more satisfied with my work!

Thank you very much! Had no idea these were available.

Some news, just realizing it took me a month to do the first planking! Well, its over and while I enjoyed immensely, I must admit that when I looked at it I was absolutely disappointed with my work. Even if it is my first build, and most of the hull was quite well - considering I decided to not plank according to Occre's instructions - both the stern and particularly the bow look awful. At the stern, that curve shown in a previous post was compensated with the next plank and the result was not that bad. At the bow, the only good news are that planks on both sides are reasonably paralel or, at least, when they aren't I managed to even afterwards. As can be seen below, I decidid to go ahead with the drop plank but screwed it completely. Not sure what I did wrong, probably measurement issues, but not only does it look terrible, I didn't manage to really increase plank width and the bent I induced in plank flow required another uneven plank to compensate. Worst of all, as you can see the planking is completely clinked between bulkheads 4 and 5, nearly looks like a stair. I noticed it in the beginning as noted in an earlier post, but though I could correct it not realizing what the problem actually was. Indeed, the premade slot in the false keel for bulkhead 4 was not as deep as it should be so it is about 2 o 3 mm higher that it should, thus distorting that whole area. Now, while I was truly sad with the result, I already started sanding (pics for a future post) and it's starting to actually look like a decent job. Not everything is lost! Most of the hull requires nearly no filling, yet that cursed area between bulks 4 and 5 will definitely do need a lot. Besides that, some repairs on the interior are needed, as a couple floorboards fell off, a couple bulkheads were damaged by the pins and its quite filthy with white stains from glue. Any comments appreciated! Thank you!

After your helpful comment, I noticed this build of yours which I had not yet seen. Absolutely beautiful and so inspiring!

Hi! Thank you for your comment! Indeed, I should have already pointed that out, as I've noticed it recently. As I concluded that Occre indicated a simplified build at the bow, I assumed the same was the case with the transom and deadwood area. In truth, it was lack of attention on my part, since I used the planking indicated my modelshipways (https://sybaritica.me/model-shipways-bounty-launch-03/) and the pictures of the reconstruction by Cornwall's Maritime Museum (https://nmmc.co.uk/2017/01/follow-the-bounty-launch-build/). However, these clearly show that, while Occre's indications are indeed simplified at the bow's planking, they are correct at the stern and the garboard goes up to the transom as you say. Again, proper research and no rushing is fundamental, something that my begginer's eagerness still compromises sometimes. It would have saved a lot of time, even though the opportunity to train plank twisting was still valuable. I hope that a good sanding will allow me to correct this with the second planking.

Hello, some news on the progression of the planking. Laid the first planks above the garboard, focusing on keeping the rise at the bow as low as possible to avoid crowding. It's still somewhat sharp, it seems, and a bit uneven between the 4th and 5th bulkheads, which will require filling. Besides the sharp twist at the garboard, I think the twist of the following planks presents a nice curve. Like the bow area, it also presents some uneven transitions which will require filling. Although the space available allowed two planks, it required too much twisting and bending to fit, looking unnatural, so I decided to add a stealer here. Only later did I realize the cut plank should have been the previous, with the stealer cut upwards. A dent at the end is clearly visible, requiring further filling in the end. Finally another perspective showing how, besides the stealer, the plank split and was corrected instead of using a new one. It also shows an eventual problem which I ask advice for ahead. First of all, the curve between bulkhead 10 up to 11 and to the transom seem rather forced or unnatural. - Is this usual, that is, does it "correct itself" with progression? It cand be corrected with another stealer, but that will make the planks at the transom very thin. Should I simply enlarge the following plank in this are to even the shape? Second, I'm considering using a drop plank at the bow, as measurements indicate that planks will end at nearly half width. Yet, altough I've read a lot about drop planks, I'm having some difficulty calculating widths, let's see if I achieve it with no need for spare planks, as I'm running out of them. Thirdly, less important, the wood seems rather rough everywhere, compared to what I see in other builds. Am I maybe soaking/heating it too much? Thank you all!

Hi everyone. As this is an old post, not sure if anyone will notice, but I'll give it a try A doubt on drop planks. In one of the tutorial documents (Simple hull planking techniques for beginners by De Bakker and Brooker) there seem to be two different illustrations for drop planks. On page 21, it seems 3 planks are running along, the middle one finishes in a 90º degree inwards angle and the above and below planks widden from there onwards. On page 27 the method described by Al applies, two planks are running along, finish forming a 90º degree angle (45º each) where a new plank starts. Thank you!