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That green looks exactly like the green that some of the rooms in our house were painted when we moved in. Now the underpainting in most of the rooms. Was a real popular color in the 1950s. I think the upstairs bathroom still has walls that color. -julie

Still pretty new to model ship stuff. Probably be a while before I am ready for any rope. I have quite a bit of thread left over from sewing projects, including some vintage silk stuff which has no tensile strength left. does remain useful for embroidery. A few months ago when this subject arose I spent a morning or a better part of a day looking at rope walks. What lead me to move forward on making model ships is access to a laser engraver. I for one would love a nice set of easy to cut templates for a laser cut rope walk. Could probably come up with something based on all the stuff I found online. Which do include home made designs. Having the tool is not the same as knowing how to use the tool. -julie

I can not speak yet for ship models. On Pipe organs I have used wax crayons (Black or white) to fill in the text.

I changed the topic title as I see the trailboard term used in the 3D AI thread. The plans call this head board. Looks like it is supposed to be made as two parts. Still curious what makes the carving white, even when these ships were derelict. I spent hours over the years studying the Endurance photos since the ice really made the design stand out. That kit used PE brass. Since my kit had no fittings I do not know if this was an included piece or not Late photographs show the trailboard was removed when the fittings were stripped. Possible that this item is still around somewhere. Most likely the maritime museum, which I think is locked out at the time of this posting due to federal shutdown, what affects the NPS.

May be the best use of AI yet. I keep telling others that AI is like making a wax mold of an item. Lots of detail on the outside, but when you slice it apart the inside is empty. Now if AI could just tell me what material headerboards were made of (metal or wood.) and if wood was the wood pressed in a steam mold? Laminated? Since the boards are the same on all the ships? Ironically I could put the photographs from my question in the deck fittings topic. AI would then make me a header board with the design in relief. Of course I could do the same in lightburn tracing over the design after using the stupid 'apple preview' AI which keeps trying to enhance and remove the backgrounds of my photos. -julie

What materials were header boards typically made of? Many models seem to make this from PE brass. I notice in the Lumber ship photos, they all look identical. What makes the white part stick out even when these were in a derelict state? I also note that in one photo. of the Forester, I got from the museum where the headier board is clear. That the port side is upside down from the starboard side? Were these stamped out of something? It looks like they were mass produced and placed one way or the other depending on which side was needed. -julie

Most of the local coal mining done at the base of Mt Diablo was done by Welsh immigrants. I think they did some of the hard rock mining as well. One of my elementary school teachers was a descendant from the mining families. Would tell stories of the abandoned mining towns. So some of the localization may have percolated through. I myself visited Wales, and can see why they saw similarities in the east bay hills. There may be thin coal seams in the hill I live on which is sandstone. Usually though the cores of these hills are limestone with lots of shell fossils. When they took down a small mountain to cut the interstate through the west of town, we got a bunch of that spoil. I think the coal is under the limestone. One thinks of the pacific northwest as more volcanic. This area though is a mix of both. Something called Franciscan formation after the nearby city. There are quite a few hot springs in the area. The faults turn the stuff on it's side so the geology here is all wonky. I look out the windows to the north and see the dormant Mayacma volcano peaks of the Napa Valley on the other side of the straights. -julie

Yes that was the one. Wonder why my search could not find it?

No real progress. Still figuring out how to do the aft section so I can finish and glue the forward section. I have some technical questions which need some more thought in how to present them. Not to mention finding the photographs and noting the details I want to ask about. (Eidetic memories are good for recall, and information overload, not so great when things change faster then you can remember them...) Wednesday mornings there is a neighborhood walk to the marina. I have been taking time out to go on these nature walks, and interact with others in person. And even listen to what they might have to say. This morning the tide was out. Could not resist this photograph of the wreak covered in seabirds. I am also not too fond of Apple insisting to AI enhance my phone photos. What I see on my screen is not what is being uploaded. All the subtle contrast is lost. There was also mention of the shipwreck in the local paper (San Francisco Chronicle.) this week. Not sure most readers pay attention to such comments. The real trivia is the Martini was named for this town Martinez on the other side of the straights where the Napa river (Mare island and wine county oligarch resorts are.) The only question is what bar did it happen. Here or in the city that calls it self San Francisco. Since we do not drink friscos (a town in texas) obviously the drink comes from Martinez. It is also curious as to why the Wawona was shredded like 1600 Pennsylvania ave. In the dry dock. Granted the timbers were rotted. So are the remains of the forester. I looked at another timber a week ago. Was still there in the pile this week. This is what is called a regional park. Which is sort of connected to the National park, but not a state park. The boundaries cross county lines, so these are not city parks either. Have their own administrative and tax districts. (I stole a rotted 2x4 from the tide a couple weeks back and waiting for it to dry out and cut it into blocks. 'beach cleanup') Next week we are going kayaking in the Suisun marshes. (which look pretty much the same with similar birds.) Now according to the paper 'investors' want create a new shipbuilding center in Collensville. An AI generated 'city' called California Forever. The infrastructure has already started with some widening of HWY12. No there are no desires to re open the old ship yards since the old ones have historical baggage. And the workers are on the dole. Who are lazy and could have jobs if they really wanted them. These oligarchs want to pave over the uncontaminated marshes and write their own history and local laws. Currently lands are held through land trusts coincidentally were recently repatriated to the 'Natives' Who still do not have federal representation 'as they would probably build a casino on it.' (LOL) 'All in the name of national security.' Plus luxury resorts. Like the Blue lagoon in Iceland. (yeah let us build a spa inside an active volcano that has been dormant for 800 years.) Sea level rise anyone? Oh and these Islands are covered with wind farms and have been for nearly 50 years some of the oldest modern power generation in existence. It is also interesting how the 'Narrative' gets written. Much more interesting hundreds of years in the future looking back. A week before the shutdown I got NPS contacts for volunteering. Perhaps I might get a chance again down the line. Weeks ago I could find videos scrapping the Wawona, Now my search profile gives me something completely different. I did find a PDF (not sure it is one I have found before) what gives the arguments relating to the choice as to which of the two ships was saved (Wawona vs Thayer.) I guess these are choices that has to be made. Difficult as it is. The difference between an archivist and a librarian and a museum curator. The librarian weeds out and destroys books people are not reading. Archivists and Curators are both hoarders. Archivist keep everything including the trash which they re bury. Curators like to hide stuff the closed off basements and store rooms that they do not agree with lest someone steal it. I think there is a joke here somewhere, do not know what the punchline is. I must be a hoarder as I keep making stuff for my model. When one does talk to the public about the history of shipbuilding and famous ships, the question gets asked. Why can they not simply put it were people can continue to see and enjoy it? A reason I have been sloughing off on the model is this is fall TV season. So the new documentaries on Pompeii Cleopatra and Egypt are airing. I wanted to go back and watch the old ones as they made it look like stuff discovered say 20 years ago was found months ago. When I looked for the old stuff it was no longer available due to rights issues. Scholars pretend that the people they stole from did not exist because they are old and dead. And it is stupid when the AI says Pompeii was Named for Pompey Magnus (whom Cleopatra's brother executed. Caesar preferred the sister.) If anything it was the other way round. Curiously I had a book that said history ended at this point in time with the assassination of Caesar. So none of this is relevant to model shipbuilding. Other than it is what one thinks about gluing 100s of planks into position. And the Nemi Ships is high on my list. I just ordered a copy of the book on them. If I get there that could be an interesting log. Seagulls are pretty to look at. They are also nasty rat with wings. Feeding on the refuse of what others find disgusting. I once saw one take out a pigeon. Guess this is the natural order of the world. Egypt needs tourist. So they are opening a new mega museum and closing the old one. This also happened with the Viking ships. In France they just do the pink panther heist thing. (do people really believe the stuff on display is or should be fake?) So there is the argument we can not put things on display because it might get stolen or used for the wrong 'Narrative.' So we are being constantly distracted and like egyption workers sold over priced watered down beer and sugar water while smoking and ingesting things that makes us see the golden lamassu in the king who is a living god and must be worshiped. So now one has to make the choice to watch TV or work on the model. -julie (who should probably stop being distracted and create an automatically inserted signature profile.)

Chomp Chomp shred shred. Actually in my search profile it takes me to the Yosemite redwood grove. I looked for it again but could only find this link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnE8AM35Fvc&t=20s I think the video of the Wawona in the chompers is on Fakebook. Pretty sickening. Looks like the same contractor who is working with the same tools on 1600 Pennsylvania avenue. Even more scary is I do not have a Fakebook account, but they still have a profile on me and show people I know stuff I am interested in. To forward and share with the heathen sheep.

I was afraid the small scale would not show any detail. Learned a lot from your (@Keith Black) build of the hard coal barge. I am leaning for doing the other ships I want in this scale. The C.A. Thayer and Galilee would be nice additions down the line. The thin strips flex easy. Having access to the laser really helps. Will be interesting what the fiber laser does with the fittings. Of course we will see how I still feel when it comes to the rigging.

Still pretty much rince and repeat on the planking. Most of it is covered apart from the keel which is being dry fit. Also cut out a rudder. May need to fit some of the lower stern decking. Cut some out last week, since the bulwarks extend over the edge and the rear may be a bit oversized there is quite a bit of gapiness. In the photos, the cabins are set back a bit from the rail, so the top view of the cabin may reflect that setback. I need this deck, to place the rudder hole. I am liking the texture effect of the planking. It is what shows in the old photographs. I noticed that I may have used old growth redwood heart for the planking. In looking at the cut sections of the board it looks pink now. There was some discussion in the NPS booth at the Maker faire, if redwood was used in these ships, They did have samples of wood from the C.A. Thayer reconstruction. One of the blocks does have a pinkish hue. To me that looks more like the eastern red colored wood that comes from what they call red eucalyptus. The western tree though is usually called blue gum in the southern hemisphere. Wurlitzer used this wood in pipe organ valve blocks. My understanding is that shipwrights were fairly conservative in the woods used. Hence the controversy over the use of laurel in the Saginaw. There is also debate if this was imported laurel from the southern US, Or the local bay laurel what grows like weeds in the local live oak forests. To me importing wood thousands of miles (before rail) makes no sense, when there are local old growth forest locally. Since most of these forests were clear cut, it is hard to say one way or the other.

Amazing to think this was a San Francisco landmark for many years albeit before my time. Such things are so underappreciated outside the local cultural context. Similar things happened to the cities clock and watch collection, which no longer fit in with the Academy of Sciences desire to teach the fear and hate of technology. At least that collection is still complete in the national museum in Lancaster PA, but it is a bit difficult to visit. One has to learn to enjoy such things while available. The Vaillancourt fountain is next on the deacquisition list. Really need a ♥️ emoji in the likes. Looking forward to following along on this one. I like ships with a local connection.

Doubt I I would be in the market for more card models. Although I would not mind if I could find a card model of AE 33 Shasta which was a Kilauea class ammo ship. We have a few souvenirs from that. My dad used to take the kids out on it for shakedown cruises under the gate. I never got to go on any as these were at risk kids under county care. Have a number of photos he took.

At the Maker Faire over the weekend on Mare Island the park service was handing out this volvelle. When you rotate the window, it shows things like the difference between a bark and a barkenteen. Usefull as I keep running into the term sloop. I pretty much know what a schooner is, since those are my favorites. The flip site show some rigging. Still learning the names of the sails. I have an old 19th century textbook which also gives some of this info. Looks like the card might also be capeleble of being used as a binnacle. By chance I have been re reading the Sea Wolf. The brutal sadistic Wolf Larsen makes such a thing in a moment of calm. These were quite popular in the 18th century for doing some of the trigonometric calculation. Tricky though to use as such things are variants of an astrolabe, which require the understanding of stereo projection. Without a good watch Or other timekeeper, they are also somewhat awkward on the rolling deck of a ship or boat.