egkb

Jeeez that was tough.. looked so easy too!  NOPE
 
Come on guys, lets all gang up and try to stop David from having another turn .. that last one was rough  :)
 
Eamonn

I concur Eamonn        
 
Kind Regards Nigel

Jeeez that was tough.. looked so easy too!  NOPE
 
Come on guys, lets all gang up and try to stop David from having another turn .. that last one was rough  :)
 
Eamonn

Stella Polaris is correct. I didn't think it would stump you lot for as long as it did. Well done Jmaitri, your turn.

No major milestones but time for an update.
 
Planking continues.  The mishap with the flying paint jar on the port side was eradicated by removing most of the planking on that side, including 2 of the simulated sheaves, and starting over:
 

 
The starboard side is at the same point.  All of the sweep port openings and gun deck gun ports are completed:
 

 
I'll be working my way up to the forecastle and QD with the planking.  Then a good sanding before I add the second layer of planking to the main and channel wales.
 
 
 
 

hey Mick,
 
gee....I wished I had seen your build earlier.....I have a good suggestion for the bulwark dilemma.   my first build was the Nordkap by Billing's.  having never built one before,  I ran into the same problem.  it was a printed deck, so I traced out the waterways and made a pair for it.....worked very well.   I was just real careful how the cuts at the posts were......lots of fitting.  if you have the panel that the deck platforms came from,  you could have done the same.
 
painting the deck was not a hard rule.......I believe it to be the desire of the Captain,  although I have seen quite a few that were painted.
    you would have to find out more info on the W.E. to see what it had.
 
I airbrush quite a bit........I got back into it after seeing how large these hulls were     I have a simple Testor's airbrush system.  I adapted it to run off my large compressor....run it just once,  and I have enough air to do the entire job.  the Testor's airbrush is not fancy,  so I make up for it,  with how i mix my paints.  thin paint is good......light coats delivered in sessions,  but for thicker paint,  I up the air a little,  and it does well with that {it's a siphon system}.   I use enamels only.......model master for flats,  and Testor's and Billing's for gloss.   I've tried others,  but they  don't have the gloss quality and  suspension.   the billing's paint gives a nice hard finish,  very hard to nick or dent
 
I couldn't agree more on the fitting choices..........I have quite an inventory of those plastic blocks.   I'm making a scratch built trawler, so I can use them up       what I don't like in plastic,  I make out of wood.........sounds like you have a direction that your going to go.   they are a nice kit though......with a little tweaking,  they look even better!   I'll enjoy watching your build.....building what 'seems' to be a beginner's kit.   coupled with those instructions.......there's nothing beginner about it......heck,  they'd confuse anybody! :D   but,  that I think is why I like the Billing's kits....they are quite challenging

Tough decision there Mick, 'to paint or not to paint, that is the.. etc'.  Almost seems a shame to cover a nice wooden deck though (admittedly Work Boats are after all 'WORK' Boats and a painted deck is easier to maintain than a plain timber affair  ) Just a thought but some ships have a darkish green deck (we used to call it 'Deck Green', great 'naming' imagination on show there! ) but it gave a pleasant contrast to the Coaming and the Sides, though I have seen grey and even red used extensively too. I think it will look great whichever way you go
 
Best of Luck
 
Eamonn
 
Later Edit : Strange coincidence has just popped into my head, I was only early this morning remembering the favoured colours my Dad put onto one particular boat many years ago.. Tangerine (don't ask ) and Dove Grey! with the grey going in a thick band at the waterline and covering the wooden decks!!
 
E

You're off to a great start, Bill.   I agree with with others about the keel and being straight.   Oh.. while you are at it, scatter some sawdust on that work area so the rest of us don't feel bad. 

Yes Sjors and Andy
That is my thinking
I need to decide if I am building it as a work barge, or how it is now, a corporate meetings/away day ship
The paint finish could be either as I think it had similar colours at some point during it's working life and is definitely that colour in the most modern photos I have
 
I suppose that a work barge would possibly be a little 'dirtier' than a corporate vessel
But I may be wrong, the seamen may be very proud of their vessel
I will have a ponder
I won't be doing much today as I am off to hospital to see the physiotherapists

Really good day today
Things went well
The first thing I did was finish off the fore and aft deck planking
 

 
Still not sure about a bit of pencil caulking   
I then put the planking on the top edge of the hull and fitted the fore and aft railings
 

 
It all went together quite well
I didn't attempt to curve the hull edge planking but did small cuts and will touch up and paint to hide
So all in all pleased with a good day   
Still getting pain spasms in my ribs though   
I really need that paint now  :mellow: 

Thank you John - I like it now .
 
A small "Tutorial" on how I made the Hances.
 
One trick I learned long ago is to make small pieces that are awkward to hold on the end of a long piece of stock which can be used as a handle for more control.
 
First I Milled the inside curve. These will all come out the same for the four of this type - the planking is finessed to fit the radius :
 

 
Next the outer curve is sanded down to follow the shape of the inner one. I started off with the Byrnes disc sander and finished with a sanding stick :
 

 
I could only use the molding scraper for the straight grained section :
 

 
The curved sections were cut with a very narrow Xacto chisel :
 

 
The piece will be cut off the longer stock when it's all cleaned up.
 
  Danny

As you can see, the shipyard has finally come to life!
 

 
Here you can see that everything has been inventoried, separated and tagged.
 

 
Upon examining the laser cut sheet stock, I found the center keel sheet and the bulkhead sheet to a lesser extent, were cupped. Something I will keep in mind when gluing and squaring the hull frame.
 

 

 

 
Next, then, all the bulkheads and the center keel have been removed, with the center keel given a light sanding. Bulkheads have been lettered and each marked with a reference line.  
 

 
At this point, I have put a lot of thought into changes I want to make to this kit. I plan on incorporating Wenge Wood into the keel and rudder, as well as the deck railings and plank sheers. I will also be using boxwood instead of basswood for the hull planking and I will be using Yellowheart  for the decking. Here below are an example of two of the woods.
 

 

 
I am going to cut out the keel pieces and plank sheers and use them as a finishing template for these pieces. I will use the laser cut outline, then, to lay the pieces out directly on the hardwood for cutting so they will be larger than needed. From here they will be rough cut and finished. Below, you can see that I have laid out dimensional stock on each of the pieces to determine how much wood would be needed and what size pieces of wood I would fit them into.
 

 

 

 
So tonight, I will be gluing up the center keel and pressing it under some weight as it dries. Tomorrow is Thanksgiving so it'll be back to the shipyard on Friday for some bulkhead gluing. Until then, happy Thanksgiving to all you guys and have a great holiday!
 
Warm regards,
 
Bill
 
 

did something tonight to aid my model making skills and subscribed to this site, seam to have everything i need, and i have some of their products as well, i dont attend clubs so i really need a teacher, no doubt you will all (well the ones that are interested) get to know how i get on in the coming months
 
http://www.florymodels.co.uk/

Well
You know me 
I can't sit still 
I started the planking in the stern
It seemed to take forever as it is only 3mm wide 
It was a shade tricky as well
 

 
I am debating now whether to 'caulk' it
I personally am not sure it would improve it
However if there is someone out there who thinks it has to be caulked I will listen to reason 
Hopefully I will get the bow planking done tomorrow
I may then start the planking strips around the top of the hull
Not sure if they are still called gunwales or whether that is purely the name on a gunned up vessel 

I can commiserate with that 'where's the postman feeling'! (am waiting for a replacement for a missing bulwark from my Sherbourne kit, seems the first replacement went adrift in the post, so this is a replacement for the replacement, no 'biggy' for me as I  won't be starting for a few months at the least, though I would rather have the piece than be waiting on it)
Sorry to hear about your injuries (I didn't want to give your post from 20th November a 'Like' as it would sound like I 'Liked' your accident.. if you follow me )
 
Take Care Mick ok, the postman will be knocking on your door soon enough, and I will be looking forward to seeing the result
 
Eamonn

About 4 hours since last mention of time.. Well i have been plodding away at first layer planking and learning lots, didn't realise it was such a process.. I am aiming at a plank each side after work and maybe two like today.. Lots of other duties call.
 
You may notice i added my first stealers as it is already getting pinchy at stern..
 
I am enjoying the challenges, glad i got a beginners kit    Happy crafting all Ollie

Getting a bit frustrated as the paints I ordered for the hull have not arrived

The model completed and on it's stand.
 
I donated this model to the Maritime Museum in Newcastle (Australia). Quite appropriate, as the original's "bones" lie only a few hundred metres from the museum itself . She was Newcastle's first shipwreck.
 

 

 

In trying to come up with a reasonable explanation for the variety of timber I'm using to build this model, not JUST with Norfolk Island Pine, I've come up with the following :

First - it was soon discovered not long after the 1st landing in 1788 that the Norfolk Island Pine was not a suitable timber for ship building, with the possible exception of planking - the timber had far too many knots in it to make it a structural material. This would have been a major disappointment, as the British Admiralty was counting on the timber (as described by Cook) for use in making masts etc, their supplies in the Baltic being uncertain at the best of times.

This boat was launched in 1798. I figure 3 to 4 years for her construction, given the shortage of man-power and tools etc necessary.

That brings us back to around 1794 for a start on the actual work.

"HMS Sirius" was wrecked on 19th of March 1790 in what was then known as Sydney Bay, Norfolk Island, only a couple of hundred metres from where the "Norfolk Sloop" was built and launched.

It's a known fact, and perfectly sensible, that everything that could be salvaged from the wreck was carried ashore in the next year before she broke up altogether. A lot of the timbers would have washed ashore in any case as they came loose - the prevailing winds and tide would have seen to that.

Remember this was a fledgling Colony - most of the persons on the island were busy enough trying to survive. Anything of use from the wreck would have been utilized.

There was a dire need for sea transport, both on Norfolk and at Port Jackson (Sydney) as shown by Governor Arthur Phillip's urgent request to England at the first opportunity for a Cutter or Schooner to be shipped out.

To that end the idea of building a boat on Norfolk would have arisen almost immediately after the wreck of Sirius, and whatever timbers and fittings they could salvage would have been put aside for the task.

Pieces like Deck Frames for the gunwales, keel and rudder, a couple of Yards for the mast, jib and boom - right down to things like blocks, deadeyes and nails would have come from Sirius.

This is pure conjecture on my part, but I think it's quite plausible (and probable).

Anyone with CONCRETE information to the contrary can feel free to tear my theory to shreds. (I can already see Jim Lad, Blue Ensign and Neptune with their fingers poised over their keyboards        ).
 

I've laid the last plank on the starboard side.

The top few needed a fair bit of lateral bending to follow the sheer, so plenty of clamps were needed.

It looks a bit like a scene from a 50's Horror film - "Attack of the Giant Cockroaches" .
 

 

 

I've given the starboard side a rough sand with 80 grit paper to get out all the bumps and hollows.

It took an hour to do the whole side - one of my fastest yet . In spite of the way the planking looked in the pics it was all within a fraction of a millimetre, and sanded flat quite easily.
 

 

The stern area - this requires a delicate touch to get right, it's not hard to take TOO much off where you don't want to. I used the "half-round" sanding block in pic 5 for this area - the flat block did the rest.
 

 

 

I won't finish sanding the hull (with 180 grit) until I have the deck planking done and the bulwarks fitted.

BTW - NO filler will be required .
 
 

OK, here you go Ben and the others who commented on my Hances v1.0 - I've remade the Planksheers and the first Hance using a dark shade of Swiss Pear. I'm much happier about the result - crisper definition and far less chipping out. There are minor irregularities which you can see under high magnification, but to the eye they look pretty good if I say so myself . They will look even better when a finish has been applied.
 

 

 

 

 

 

 
  Danny

27 November
 
 
1703
 A Great Storm in Southern England caused many R.N. ships to be lost in the Great Storm and also destroyed the first Eddystone Lighthouse. The ships included:
- HMS Mary (62), Cptn. Edward Hopson, wrecked on Goodwin Sands
- HMS Restoration wrecked on Goodwin Sands
- HMS Stirling Castle (70) wrecked on Goodwin Sands
- HMS Northumberland (70) wrecked on Goodwin Sands
- HMS Canterbury storeship (8), Cdr Thomas Blake, lost at Bristol
- HMS Eagle advice boat (10) wrecked off Sussex Coast
- HMS Newcastle (50) sunk off Spithead
- HMS Reserve (42), Cptn. John Anderson
- HMS Resolution (70), Cptn. Liell, wrecked on the coast of Pevensey Bay, Sussex
- HMS Reserve (42), Cptn. John Anderson off Yarmouth
- HMS Lichfield Prize, Cptn. Chamberlain, wrecked Sussex coast
1770
Horatio Nelson entered as midshipman in HMS Raisonnable.
1806
Boats of British squadron, under Admiral Sir Edward Pellew, destroyed Dutch frigate Phoenix and other vessels in Batavia Roads.
1807
Boats of HMS Porcupine (22), Cptn. Hon. Henry Duncan,  took two small vessels at Ragusa.
1809
HMS Chiffonne (36), Cptn. John Wainwright, burnt pirate vessels at Luft, Persian Gulf.
1811
HMS Eagle (74), Cptn. Charles Rowley, captured French frigate Corceyre (28) near Brindisi. Her companions, the frigate Uranie and brig Scemoplone escaped.
1812
HMS Southampton (32) wrecked on reef of rocks, off Conception Island
 
i have created a thread wrt to the great storm 1703 at this link
http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4482-great-storm-1703/?hl=%2B1703+%2Bgreat+%2Bstorm

Good morning
whilst posting my "this day in history" i noticed the losses of ships around this time and looked a little deeper, and found this
 
1703: The worst storm in British history
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Storm_of_1703
http://www.historytoday.com/richard-cavendish/great-storm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2082939/UK-weather-This-weeks-gales-compared-storm-drowned-Britain.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/insideout/east/series4/great_storm.shtml

Hello Shipmates.
   Thanks Paddy. I have to say your Cross section is one of the reasons I went into the cross section building.
 
The Orlop Deck is now in place
Very happy with the fit and the look.
 
The deck planks on the Top Right look as if they are not stained... Yes they are
The Housing and the Sail store walls are not fixed as they will need to be cut to size.

 

 

 

 
Now I can start to Cut the timber for the bulwark of the Orlop deck.
And so the Lower gun deck starts next week.
 
Thanks for looking in.
 
Regards Antony.