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HMS SERAPIS by PMG - Aeropiccola
casper1961 replied to PMG's topic in - Kit build logs for subjects built from 1751 - 1800
Hey James Unless we can time travel, or come up with a photograph, which is impossible, it is all speculation. Even if there were actual ship drawings still around from which she was built, does not mean that changes during construction didn't occur. All we know is what has been written which tends to show she was a 44 gun ship later upgraded with 6 more guns...total of 50 guns My kit shows 26 guns per side, 10 on the lower deck, 11 on the main deck and 5 on the quarter deck. The 10x 18 pounders on the lower deck, and 11x 9 pounders on the main deck and 2x 6 pounders on the forecastle are in sync with the Wiki description in early British service. The turrets in the forecastle do not show guns in place but I would suspect they would have a been rigged to take guns, probably 6 pounders. Here is something that makes sense to me. The article on Wiki says in French service she had been upgraded to carry 24x 24 pounders and 22x 18 pounders plus 6x others for a total of 52 guns...that is equal to what my kit shows...could it be that the Serapis model is actually modelled after the French captured version? Steve -
HMS SERAPIS by PMG - Aeropiccola
casper1961 replied to PMG's topic in - Kit build logs for subjects built from 1751 - 1800
Hey Pierre I forgot to mention to that there seems to be davits on French ships of that era, 1780's There is no reason to think that if Serapis was being built at the time that she might not have been given davits as an experiment? Possible? Maybe... I agree that the kit is missing the galley smoke stack. Still not sure about the helm being in front or rear of the mizzen mast. I have seen both placements for the helm in frigates of that era. Steve -
HMS SERAPIS by PMG - Aeropiccola
casper1961 replied to PMG's topic in - Kit build logs for subjects built from 1751 - 1800
Hey Pierre I have been thinking about the 10 gun ports on the quarter deck. I have read a few articles on the internet, that some ships had more gunports than guns on the quarter. I thought I read where there the Serapis had 5 pairs of gunports (10 gunports) and had only 4 or 6 guns on the quarter deck. Could this be why there are the 10 gunports on the kit? Is it possible that depending on which side the ship was attacking that they would move a couple of guns over to that side from the other side to beef up the armament in battle? Steve -
Hey Sherry Very nice! I would have to agree with everyone else, very smooth... Did you happen to feel the earthquake on Friday morning? The epicentre was less than 10 km from home...Not the way I like to start my day however it gives us all something to talk about at work! LOL Steve
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Hey Sherry! Any more pictures of your progress? Not trying to be pushy...just very intrigued! Cheers PS Good luck with the gardens!
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HMS SERAPIS by PMG - Aeropiccola
casper1961 replied to PMG's topic in - Kit build logs for subjects built from 1751 - 1800
James? Chris? LOL My kit was advertised as double plank on frame and it came with an extra bundle of walnut for the 2nd planking. I think in the English instructions that came with the kit it also mentioned the double planking....and I am so close to that stage....well I have been that close for over 15 yrs but who's counting? My kit although it does not say on the plans is supposed to be 1/60 scale as advertised I believe in the old catalogues. So Pierre's 1/64 may be more accurate... I'm not too worried. I just want to finish it and get going on the other 15 kits! LOL -
HMS SERAPIS by PMG - Aeropiccola
casper1961 replied to PMG's topic in - Kit build logs for subjects built from 1751 - 1800
Hey James I found one article which is wiki and it says the following: Serapis was commissioned in March 1779 under Captain Richard Pearson. On 23 September she engaged the American warship USSBonhomme Richard under the command of Captain John Paul Jones in the North Sea at Flamborough Head, England. At the time of this battle, the ship carried 50 guns, having an extra six 6-pounders.[3] The armament originally was 20 x 18 pounders on the lower deck, 22 x 9 pounders on the upper deck (later upgraded to 12 pounders) and 2 x 6 pounders on the forecastle. Steve -
HMS SERAPIS by PMG - Aeropiccola
casper1961 replied to PMG's topic in - Kit build logs for subjects built from 1751 - 1800
Hi James I thought I read somewhere that the Serapis was originally fitted with 44 guns but just before going into battle at Flamborough Head she was refitted with 9 more cannons... I'll see if I can find the article that mentioned this...whether its true or not we'll have to ask Capt. John Paul Jones! LOL -
Okay so I was reading page 68 when I posted...I'm glad you decided to fix the issue and like I thought you feel better about it. This hobby is not about perfection...it's about having fun building these little marvels. Oh yeah, and who are we trying to please in the end? I hope your answer was yourself! Looks great...keep it up! And watch out for sharp tools...at least you have the ER to do you bodily repairs! Cheers Steve
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Sjors That's not a work space! That is ER #1 where they do surgery! LOL Nice but you have to mess it up a bit! Way too clean! haha PS If I may add my 2 cents worth on your changes! It's your model. Do what you like...as much as we try to make it as realistic as possible, it will never be exactly as the original. Of course on a site like this, people will way in, as I am doing now, and offer their opinions, some positive and some can be negative. (I am not saying whoever commented on the chain plate being in the wrong position was a negative comment) just saying you need to assess what is important to you. Can you fix the issue? How long will it take to fix the issue? Do you want to fix the issue? Will you be happy not fixing the issue? I think you are like most of us here. Yeah it sucks to have something pointed out that requires changing. But if you decide to fix the issue, all the effort will likely make you feel happy that you did it. Good luck on whatever you decide, and I'm glad you decided firewood was not the choice. If you had, you would have seen this Canadian over there so fast you'd think it was D-Day all over again. There i would be pleading with you not to do it! LOL Good luck on it! Cheers Steve
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Hey Dirk Not sure if something was lost in translation but as a wash, I meant a very thinned dark paint like 20:1 thinner to paint and using either oil based or water base based paints. You can try difference ratios of thinner to paint but this should give you a starting point. I and many others use this technique in military model painting to bring out details and then dry brush lighter colours on the highlights...but with this I would just add the wash and then wipe off the excess . I wasn't meaning a wax.... Hope this helps clarify my friend. Cheers Steve
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Hey Dirk! I have a thought for you to try if you like...have you thought about applying a dark wash to the gold details...this should settle in the low spots and highlight (accentuate) the highspots (details) ? It might make the details in the castings stand out and be even more pronounced without taking away the golden look! Just a thought...maybe to try on a separate piece...if it doesn't work just add varsol or alcohol depending on whether you use an oil based wash or a water based wash.... Steve
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Hey Sherry Welcome back! Great start to the planking! I like the use of the binder clips! Very cool! Curious...why balsa wood vs basswood for first planking? Are you not afraid of removing too much material when sanding? Steve
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Hey Sherry I'm not sure if you have seen this blog on a fellow in the UK building the San Felipe. You probably have seen it already but just in case here is the link. http://sanfelipe1690.blogspot.ca/2003_04_01_archive.html By-the-way, I linked you to the start of his build. Its nice! He has been at it since 2003...granted he has had a 2yr renovation of his house and then his first child so I understand the delays! LOL Funny how life gets in the way of our hobbies! sigh! Cheers Steve
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Hey Sherry Your build log got moved! If the moderators did this it sure would have been nice to be notified! Steve
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Hi Pierre Good morning to you! That is great to hear! It will be very helpful I'm sure and I can hardly wait to see more pictures! Steve
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Hey Scott I think once you add the bowsprit and all to the bow of your Endeavour she won't look as blunt. The Charles W. Morgan was very similar in shape as well and she turned out to be a good looking vessel/ Steve
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Hi Anja I'll let you know about the wood soon but I think it will be all right. At least I don't need to worry about warping due to it drying out. Steve
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Hey Pierre I would agree with Mark, the more the merrier! So far your Serapis looks great! Makes me happy I chose this build decades ago! LOL She has really nice sleek lines! I bet she was fast in her time! Steve
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Thanks for the compliments Old Sea Dog! I hope I can continue what I have started just as well. Steve
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Hi Scott I too am a draftsman...well Architectural Technologist to be exact...doing more site inspections and report writing now than CAD work. The USS Essex is a nice looking ship, be it Aeropiccolla or the Blue Jacket kit. Isn't the Endeavour a barque (bark) rigged ship? I think she has a very similar look to her as the Charles W. Morgan except she had a higher poop deck than the Morgan though. From what I understand the Bonhomme Richard kit is unverified and possibly a fictitious design, but still I think a very nice looking ship. My build of the Serapis is 20 years in the making. I am not setting any speed records for sure on this one and I doubt I ever will. But once I get into the build in earnest I'm sure she will progress decently. Steve
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Hey Sherry Thanks for the instructions on how to link my signature to my Serapis log.... Steve
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Hi Scott Are from you from Kansas by chance? The lack of good English instructions is not a problem. Having built the Charles W. Morgan ahead of this build I have a pretty good idea how to go about building this one, instructions or not. Now, I have to thank the inventors of the internet and Google for providing the free translation tool. It has been great. I have translated most of the "ITALIAN" notes on the sheets. The biggest drawback to this and the Essex old kits was that the plywood pieces were neither stamped or laser-cut, only printed. Which is a real pain in the bottom side! I did see that Nature Coast Hobbies is or was carrying Aeropiccolla kits and that these were the last version of them which had laser-cut plywood pieces. A huge improvement. The pressed wood pieces doesn't bother me, I think they look nice enough and will give them a try, if for any reason, to help speed up the build. My Bonhomme Richard kit is also an Aeropiccolla kit and it is the last version of it with laser-cut pieces and looks very nice. It will definitely complement the Serapis in a display! Steve
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Hey Runner63 Thanks for the compliments! Now if only all the scroll saw work would magically finish itself that would be wonderful! LOL I hope to work on the gun ports a bit this weekend, and maybe see about fixing the damaged main deck. It would be nice to move past this stage as it has sat this way for years! Last summer I actually started lining up the gun ports and cutting them, now I need to keep at it and finish that step! SG
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