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Complicated and fancy or easier than Syren? Revenge is big and complicated and hence expensive. If you're just looking for a warmup, I keep pointing people to the Amati Lady Nelson as I have it and the plans and instructions are good, and if you want to go fancy you can replace all of the (external) wood and masting with boxwood for another $100 courtesy of Crown Timber. Speaking of which I see he has packages for Syren too. If I was going to take the time to do a full-gonzo admiralty model with all framing and timbers and planking exactly like the original, I'd definitely invest the money in the best materials available, that cost is going to be minimal compared to the thousand hours of the build. I don't have any relation to them BTW. The target I have for said gonzo scratchbuild (several years out) is to use the two-part Euryalus Seawatch series.

I'm not exactly sure how a kit can be more of a poor choice if it has bad, difficult wood and crappy instructions, short of pointy wood dowels leaping out of the box and repeatedly stabbing you in the face every time you sat down to work on it. So yeah, I'd say reconsideration is a good plan. Are you just looking for something galleony or were you interested in that specific kit for some reason? If you're in mood for galleon and race-built is ok, I recently purchased the Victory Revenge and it's excellent.

You don't need a bad list you just need to score all kit plans and have that in the kit DB. It seems pretty obvious, I haven't looked at the DB but I would be surprised if they didn't already have that info since it's a very important parameter defining what kit is like. If it hasn't been done then yes it should be done and the correct approach is what you are saying, define requirements for excellent instructions for each skill level and then subtract from the maximum possible value for each requirement not fully met or not met at all. And a 1-5 rating range is enough granularity for something like this. Then we'll need to socialize your plan and identify any asks from external groups, line up initial planning and grooming sessions with the stakeholders, and get the PMO office to designate a TPM to execute against that plan once we have consensus on the action items, milestones, and timeline. Let's have a kickoff call with US, India, and Singapore ASAP. Yes I do work in Silicon Valley, why do you ask?

Here's the elevation of Le Tonnant as drawn by Lusci, compare it to Rattlesnake. No idea whether it's the same or not, just providing reference.

Granado is a brig no less complex rigging wise than Niagara, so just a step sideways. If you insist on a brig, I suggest the Fair American as it has a practicum by the Lauck Street guy. I haven't bought anything from him but it seems his practicums are very thorough.

Well yes, we don't have good plans for much of anything prior to the 17th century, and even the 17th is highly spotty. So it's not just galleons, it's naos and race built galleons and carracks and cogs too. I recently bought the Victory Revenge. Is that exactly the ship Drake sailed in? Nope, of course not. But it's based on logical extrapolations of what hard info we do have, and I'm convinced that it is likely to be close enough that Drake would only need to make minor corrections to get it right. And every kit manufacturer has a Santa Maria and usually Nina and Pinta too even though no one has any idea what the hell any of them looked like, we have even less info. Those models I wouldn't bother with since it's likely every single one of them is wildly wrong. Actually an amusing group build would be to collect every Santa Maria kit going back 40 years or so and have people build each of them and then compare. I'm with whoever that was upthread who replied that kit manufacture falls in the toy and hobby industry and therefore bear no legal responsibility to get anything right, so when it comes to building kit's it's caveat emptor- you're responsible for doing some research to see if any particular kit represents a real ship and if so, whether it does so accurately. Also remember that Absolute Historical Accuracy Disorder (AHAD), although very common among serious ship modelers, isn't universal. Lots of people just want to build something reasonably close that looks nice in a display case. It's not like your neighbor is likely to walk in and say hey those lift blocks are British style and totally wrong for your model, which is clearly a Temeraire-class French 74 built in the 1780s.

What that looked like when painted.

The guy is complaining about not understanding instructions, so let's send him to a site in solid Croatian Those are some cool model offerings though, especially the galley/xebec with the built-up stern castle. If he offers English instructions there are some nice small ships there that could be good choices for the OP. Actually speaking of that schooner I linked to above, what the heck kind of sail rig is that? I thought it was just a topsail schooner at first but the foremast is a semi-lateen mast, not a gaff, so it has left my limited knowledge of sailing rigs.

Anyone interested in hobbies runs into this all the time - the solution is the Internet Archive's Wayback Machine. You just go back as far as you need to until you find snapshots with the information you want. I used it while reading that exact article a few weeks ago, had no issues finding good versions of all the sites and info he recommends.

Plus he has a practicum also doesn't he? Another recommendation would be Victory Models' Lady Nelson cutter. Only one mast's worth of rigging to deal with, but it's a mast with full shrouds and square yards and a gaff boom so it's representative of all the other masts you'll run into, excepting the not complicated differences between that and one with all square sails. That's about as easy as it gets, and in doing it you can understand all the ropes and standing rigging for that one mast in isolation. Then you can move to two masts and then three, now that you can see them as consisting of two or three units of that mast you now understand. Also buy Rigging Period Ship Models and Masting and Rigging of English Ships of War 1625 - 1860, both of which come with lots and lots of clear diagrams and drawings and explanations of what everything does and why.

I sent some mail to the guy who put together that presentation, will see if he answers. Matrim I wouldn't anticipate you could just point the tool at a bunch of plans and walk away, there would still be a degree of human input to make sure the plan is clean and marking locations of certain items before it could make an attempt to build at the very least. Are you saying you've found the drawings are stretched somehow? I thought generally speaking the paper used for these plans was fairly heavy and would be resistant to something like that. Yes, that would be very difficult to correct.

Has anyone ever taken a run and automating this? We (and I mean human race) have thousands of these plans in a relatively consistent format. I see no impossible to overcome challenges in creating a tool that can output to formats importable by CAD and creative modelers (MAX etc.), by extracting the station frame curves and positioning them on a correct keel and generating a skinned/solid model. If wer can extract the station frames, we could easily tween the values between station frames to generate the intervening frames. I'm not saying it would be easy, but I think it's doable, and it seems to me we have enough interested parties and groups that it might be worth doing - imagine there being a library of skinned and solid models with correct hull forms, wales, gunports, would have to draw the line at the head and the stern, too variable and complex. But still if we got that far, modelers, historians, games and movie people, all could access all of these sailing models for whatever purpose they need. And the processing would still require some human input to indicate the correct areas to scan for the curves and which is bow and which is stern, and marking the keel location and length and probably a couple other steps to prime the tool for each unique plan. Only step I'm iffy on is automated generating of spline-based curves for the station frames, I'm not sure that I know of a product doing that, turning 2d drawings into vector/spline-based lines. I have some idea of companies I could ask who should be able to do it. But also I'll see if I can track this guy down, this was a proposal to do the exact same thing for old rocket parts.(FYI - that's a PDF). This is just the proposal, not clear he did it. Anyone else know of existing tools/companies/researchers who might find this problem interesting?