HHardacre Posted July 6, 2019 #1 Posted July 6, 2019 I am just starting my first wooden ship, Viking Ship Drakkar, because this is clinker built hull, would members suggest soaking the hull planks with glue/water solution. Suggestions would be helpful Regards Harry. JeffT and pontiachedmark 2
pontiachedmark Posted July 7, 2019 #2 Posted July 7, 2019 Gidday Harry and a warm welcome from the Land Downunder. I would suggest you search through the build logs. Here you may find answers to any questions you have. If not you have certainly found a site where the members have a wealth of knowledge and vast expertise. I have not had experience with your kit but I am hopeful you will find some advice here. I wish you all the best in your build. Mark. JeffT and mtaylor 2
Jim Lad Posted July 7, 2019 #3 Posted July 7, 2019 Hello Harry, and another warm welcome from 'Downunder'. John mtaylor, JeffT and pontiachedmark 3
HHardacre Posted July 7, 2019 Author #4 Posted July 7, 2019 5 hours ago, pontiachedmark said: Gidday Harry and a warm welcome from the Land Downunder. I would suggest you search through the build logs. Here you may find answers to any questions you have. If not you have certainly found a site where the members have a wealth of knowledge and vast expertise. I have not had experience with your kit but I am hopeful you will find some advice here. I wish you all the best in your build. Mark. Good morning from a sunny UK mate, thanks for the welcome,, yes been looking through some of the write-ups, found some very useful information there, looking forward to my build, will keep members updated, thank you again, and have a good’n Mark. mtaylor and pontiachedmark 2
HHardacre Posted July 7, 2019 Author #5 Posted July 7, 2019 5 hours ago, Jim Lad said: Hello Harry, and another warm welcome from 'Downunder'. John Good morning Jim Lad, greetings from a sunny UK,,,, Harry,,,, pontiachedmark and mtaylor 2
Jaager Posted July 8, 2019 #6 Posted July 8, 2019 The material that binds wood fibers - lignin - is not water soluble. It is soluble in anhydrous ammonia, an explosive and dangerous industrial agent. It is not soluble in household (5%) or 20% ammonia. These just damage the planking. Heat will loosen lignin and allow for more bending. Water on the surface of the wood - when contacted by a dry heat source - becomes steam and penetrates the wood with more efficiency than just dry heat alone. A microwave and wet paper towel wrapping, or direct steam will work. Soaking in hot water works - but sort of reverses the original seasoning process a bit. Ideal is to let the bent wood dry in its future conformation. If you dry in an over bent conformation, try to keep that at a slight amount. mtaylor, JeffT and pontiachedmark 3 NRG member 50 years Current: NMS HMS Ajax 1767 - 74-gun 3rd rate - 1:192 POF exploration - works but too intense -no margin for error HMS Centurion 1732 - 60-gun 4th rate - POF Navall Timber framing HMS Beagle 1831 refiit 10-gun brig with a small mizzen - POF Navall (ish) Timber framing The U.S. Ex. Ex. 1838-1842 Flying Fish 1838 pilot schooner - POF framed - ready for stern timbers Porpose II 1836 brigantine/brig - POF framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers Vincennes 1825 Sloop-of-War - POF timbers assembled, need shaping Peacock 1828 Sloop-of -War - POF timbers ready for assembly Sea Gull 1838 pilot schooner - POF timbers ready for assembly Relief 1835 packet hull USN ship - POF timbers ready for assembly Other Portsmouth 1843 Sloop-of-War - POF timbers ready for assembly Le Commerce de Marseilles 1788 118 cannons - POF framed La Renommee 1744 Frigate - POF framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers
HHardacre Posted July 8, 2019 Author #7 Posted July 8, 2019 On 7/7/2019 at 2:46 AM, Jim Lad said: Hello Harry, and another warm welcome from 'Downunder'. John
HHardacre Posted July 8, 2019 Author #8 Posted July 8, 2019 Gooday John, thanks mate,,, Harry. mtaylor 1
HHardacre Posted July 8, 2019 Author #9 Posted July 8, 2019 16 minutes ago, Jaager said: The material that binds wood fibers - lignin - is not water soluble. It is soluble in anhydrous ammonia, an explosive and dangerous industrial agent. It is not soluble in household (5%) or 20% ammonia. These just damage the planking. Heat will loosen lignin and allow for more bending. Water on the surface of the wood - when contacted by a dry heat source - becomes steam and penetrates the wood with more efficiency than just dry heat alone. A microwave and wet paper towel wrapping, or direct steam will work. Soaking in hot water works - but sort of reverses the original seasoning process a bit. Ideal is to let the bent wood dry in its future conformation. If you dry in an over bent conformation, try to keep that at a slight amount. Hiya Jaager, thanks for that, very informative, i will give the soaking a try, the planking is very thin and seems to bend very easy, the thing is, the first three planks have to bend and twist, at the bow and stern, being a Viking ship, as you know are both pointed,,, but you have given me some good ideas now, and forthat I thank you. regards. Harry. mtaylor and pontiachedmark 2
Jaager Posted July 8, 2019 #10 Posted July 8, 2019 If the bend in the thick dimension proves difficult - wood does not readily comply to doing that - start with a wider plank and spill it to the up curve. Spill = spoil = waste a lot of wood cutting an "S" shape. That is how it was really done - mostly. The database here has planking tutorials the explain all this. mtaylor and JeffT 2 NRG member 50 years Current: NMS HMS Ajax 1767 - 74-gun 3rd rate - 1:192 POF exploration - works but too intense -no margin for error HMS Centurion 1732 - 60-gun 4th rate - POF Navall Timber framing HMS Beagle 1831 refiit 10-gun brig with a small mizzen - POF Navall (ish) Timber framing The U.S. Ex. Ex. 1838-1842 Flying Fish 1838 pilot schooner - POF framed - ready for stern timbers Porpose II 1836 brigantine/brig - POF framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers Vincennes 1825 Sloop-of-War - POF timbers assembled, need shaping Peacock 1828 Sloop-of -War - POF timbers ready for assembly Sea Gull 1838 pilot schooner - POF timbers ready for assembly Relief 1835 packet hull USN ship - POF timbers ready for assembly Other Portsmouth 1843 Sloop-of-War - POF timbers ready for assembly Le Commerce de Marseilles 1788 118 cannons - POF framed La Renommee 1744 Frigate - POF framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers
HHardacre Posted July 8, 2019 Author #11 Posted July 8, 2019 5 minutes ago, Jaager said: If the bend in the thick dimension proves difficult - wood does not readily comply to doing that - start with a wider plank and spill it to the up curve. Spill = spoil = waste a lot of wood cutting an "S" shape. That is how it was really done - mostly. The database here has planking tutorials the explain all this. 7 minutes ago, Jaager said: If the bend in the thick dimension proves difficult - wood does not readily comply to doing that - start with a wider plank and spill it to the up curve. Spill = spoil = waste a lot of wood cutting an "S" shape. That is how it was really done - mostly. The database here has planking tutorials the explain all this. Yes mate having a good look at the data base for any help. Harry mtaylor 1
mtaylor Posted July 9, 2019 #12 Posted July 9, 2019 JeffT 1 Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
JeffT Posted July 9, 2019 #13 Posted July 9, 2019 Hello and Welcome to MSW mtaylor 1 Jeff In progress: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Company -1/2" scale USS Constitution - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Granado - CAF Model - 1:48 HMS Sphinx - Vanguard
HHardacre Posted July 9, 2019 Author #14 Posted July 9, 2019 5 hours ago, mtaylor said: Thank you Jeff, good to be here,,, my current build is the Viking Ship Drakkar, (first one),,, 👍⛵️ Regards Harry mtaylor 1
HHardacre Posted July 9, 2019 Author #15 Posted July 9, 2019 5 hours ago, mtaylor said: Good morning Mark and thank you,,, regards Harry. mtaylor 1
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