Landlubber Mike Posted June 21, 2013 Author #61 Posted June 21, 2013 Hi Ian, thanks for this info. I ended up having to use the zoom function on the NMM site as well as the zoom function on my browser, and can more clearly see what you were saying. Having started looking into this, I think I now more fully understand what you are thinking of doing. You're a brave soul, not sure that I would undertake that major surgery - but, ultimately you need to end up with a build that you are fully satisfied with so I think modifying the build is the way to go. I'm going to order the Pandora book and see if there are any good ideas or suggestions in it. I'll be sure to pass along any tidbits I come across. This has been a very interesting and fun discussion with you and the other Unicorn builders, thanks to everyone for participating! Quote Mike Current Wooden builds: Amati/Victory Pegasus MS Charles W. Morgan Euromodel La Renommèe Plastic builds: Hs129B-2 1/48 SB2U-1 Vindicator 1/48 Five Star Yaeyama 1/700 Pit Road Asashio and Akashi 1/700 diorama Walrus 1/48 and Albatross 1/700 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/32 IJN Notoro 1/700 Akitsu Maru 1/700 Completed builds : Caldercraft Brig Badger Amati Hannah - Ship in Bottle Pit Road Hatsuzakura 1/700 Hasegawa Shimakaze 1:350 F4B-4 and P-6E 1/72 Accurate Miniatures F3F-1/F3F-2 1/48 Tamiya F4F-4 Wildcat built as FM-1 1/48 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/48 Eduard Sikorsky JRS-1 1/72 Citroen 2CV 1/24 - Airfix and Tamiya Entex Morgan 3-wheeler 1/16 Terminated build: HMS Lyme (based on Corel Unicorn) On the shelf: Euromodel Friedrich Wilhelm zu Pferde; Caldercraft Victory; too many plastic ship, plane and car kits Future potential scratch builds: HMS Lyme (from NMM plans); Le Gros Ventre (from Ancre monographs), Dutch ship from Ab Hoving book, HMS Sussex from McCardle book, Philadelphia gunboat (Smithsonian plans)
ianmajor Posted June 21, 2013 #62 Posted June 21, 2013 Mike, My pleasure. The discussion has greatly increased my knowledge as well. Any further info you get would be gratefully received. Re my being brave - a case of fool's rush in...........perhaps. Landlubber Mike 1 Quote Ian M. Current build: HMS Unicorn (1748) - Corel Kit Advice from my Grandfather to me. The only people who don't make mistakes are those who stand back and watch. The trick is not to repeat the error.
Landlubber Mike Posted June 27, 2013 Author #63 Posted June 27, 2013 In case anyone else is looking to join the Unicorn club, there is a recent listing on eBay that is currently at a low amount: http://www.ebay.com/itm/290937919810?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649 ZyXuz 1 Quote Mike Current Wooden builds: Amati/Victory Pegasus MS Charles W. Morgan Euromodel La Renommèe Plastic builds: Hs129B-2 1/48 SB2U-1 Vindicator 1/48 Five Star Yaeyama 1/700 Pit Road Asashio and Akashi 1/700 diorama Walrus 1/48 and Albatross 1/700 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/32 IJN Notoro 1/700 Akitsu Maru 1/700 Completed builds : Caldercraft Brig Badger Amati Hannah - Ship in Bottle Pit Road Hatsuzakura 1/700 Hasegawa Shimakaze 1:350 F4B-4 and P-6E 1/72 Accurate Miniatures F3F-1/F3F-2 1/48 Tamiya F4F-4 Wildcat built as FM-1 1/48 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/48 Eduard Sikorsky JRS-1 1/72 Citroen 2CV 1/24 - Airfix and Tamiya Entex Morgan 3-wheeler 1/16 Terminated build: HMS Lyme (based on Corel Unicorn) On the shelf: Euromodel Friedrich Wilhelm zu Pferde; Caldercraft Victory; too many plastic ship, plane and car kits Future potential scratch builds: HMS Lyme (from NMM plans); Le Gros Ventre (from Ancre monographs), Dutch ship from Ab Hoving book, HMS Sussex from McCardle book, Philadelphia gunboat (Smithsonian plans)
ZyXuz Posted June 28, 2013 #64 Posted June 28, 2013 Thanks Mike! Just placed a bid.. want her so badly.. Landlubber Mike 1 Quote Visit My Blog! http://malaysiamodelship.blogspot.com/ Previous Build: HMS Race Horse (Sergal) Current Build: HMS Unicorn (Corel)
Landlubber Mike Posted June 28, 2013 Author #65 Posted June 28, 2013 Good luck to you! Quote Mike Current Wooden builds: Amati/Victory Pegasus MS Charles W. Morgan Euromodel La Renommèe Plastic builds: Hs129B-2 1/48 SB2U-1 Vindicator 1/48 Five Star Yaeyama 1/700 Pit Road Asashio and Akashi 1/700 diorama Walrus 1/48 and Albatross 1/700 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/32 IJN Notoro 1/700 Akitsu Maru 1/700 Completed builds : Caldercraft Brig Badger Amati Hannah - Ship in Bottle Pit Road Hatsuzakura 1/700 Hasegawa Shimakaze 1:350 F4B-4 and P-6E 1/72 Accurate Miniatures F3F-1/F3F-2 1/48 Tamiya F4F-4 Wildcat built as FM-1 1/48 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/48 Eduard Sikorsky JRS-1 1/72 Citroen 2CV 1/24 - Airfix and Tamiya Entex Morgan 3-wheeler 1/16 Terminated build: HMS Lyme (based on Corel Unicorn) On the shelf: Euromodel Friedrich Wilhelm zu Pferde; Caldercraft Victory; too many plastic ship, plane and car kits Future potential scratch builds: HMS Lyme (from NMM plans); Le Gros Ventre (from Ancre monographs), Dutch ship from Ab Hoving book, HMS Sussex from McCardle book, Philadelphia gunboat (Smithsonian plans)
ianmajor Posted June 29, 2013 #66 Posted June 29, 2013 In case anyone else is looking to join the Unicorn club, .................... Mike, I nominate you as chairman! Quote Ian M. Current build: HMS Unicorn (1748) - Corel Kit Advice from my Grandfather to me. The only people who don't make mistakes are those who stand back and watch. The trick is not to repeat the error.
Landlubber Mike Posted June 29, 2013 Author #67 Posted June 29, 2013 Ha, I need to finish my Badger first but sure, why not! Quote Mike Current Wooden builds: Amati/Victory Pegasus MS Charles W. Morgan Euromodel La Renommèe Plastic builds: Hs129B-2 1/48 SB2U-1 Vindicator 1/48 Five Star Yaeyama 1/700 Pit Road Asashio and Akashi 1/700 diorama Walrus 1/48 and Albatross 1/700 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/32 IJN Notoro 1/700 Akitsu Maru 1/700 Completed builds : Caldercraft Brig Badger Amati Hannah - Ship in Bottle Pit Road Hatsuzakura 1/700 Hasegawa Shimakaze 1:350 F4B-4 and P-6E 1/72 Accurate Miniatures F3F-1/F3F-2 1/48 Tamiya F4F-4 Wildcat built as FM-1 1/48 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/48 Eduard Sikorsky JRS-1 1/72 Citroen 2CV 1/24 - Airfix and Tamiya Entex Morgan 3-wheeler 1/16 Terminated build: HMS Lyme (based on Corel Unicorn) On the shelf: Euromodel Friedrich Wilhelm zu Pferde; Caldercraft Victory; too many plastic ship, plane and car kits Future potential scratch builds: HMS Lyme (from NMM plans); Le Gros Ventre (from Ancre monographs), Dutch ship from Ab Hoving book, HMS Sussex from McCardle book, Philadelphia gunboat (Smithsonian plans)
Landlubber Mike Posted July 5, 2013 Author #68 Posted July 5, 2013 Thanks Mike! Just placed a bid.. want her so badly.. Did you win the auction? Quote Mike Current Wooden builds: Amati/Victory Pegasus MS Charles W. Morgan Euromodel La Renommèe Plastic builds: Hs129B-2 1/48 SB2U-1 Vindicator 1/48 Five Star Yaeyama 1/700 Pit Road Asashio and Akashi 1/700 diorama Walrus 1/48 and Albatross 1/700 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/32 IJN Notoro 1/700 Akitsu Maru 1/700 Completed builds : Caldercraft Brig Badger Amati Hannah - Ship in Bottle Pit Road Hatsuzakura 1/700 Hasegawa Shimakaze 1:350 F4B-4 and P-6E 1/72 Accurate Miniatures F3F-1/F3F-2 1/48 Tamiya F4F-4 Wildcat built as FM-1 1/48 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/48 Eduard Sikorsky JRS-1 1/72 Citroen 2CV 1/24 - Airfix and Tamiya Entex Morgan 3-wheeler 1/16 Terminated build: HMS Lyme (based on Corel Unicorn) On the shelf: Euromodel Friedrich Wilhelm zu Pferde; Caldercraft Victory; too many plastic ship, plane and car kits Future potential scratch builds: HMS Lyme (from NMM plans); Le Gros Ventre (from Ancre monographs), Dutch ship from Ab Hoving book, HMS Sussex from McCardle book, Philadelphia gunboat (Smithsonian plans)
Landlubber Mike Posted July 7, 2013 Author #69 Posted July 7, 2013 (edited) I've been reading the Gardiner book "The Sailing Frigate." It's an interesting read, as it goes through the history of the development of the frigate, using NMM models to showcase his points. Ian, there's a chapter in the book called "Filling in the Waist" where he opens by saying "The forecastle and quarterdecks were originally entirely separate, but a significant trend in the development of the frigate was the gradual closing in of the waist, eventually producing an uninterrupted spar deck." Using a 1745 model (SLR0475) he notes that "The 1745 Establishment that introduced a longer quarterdeck and a more substantial forecastle also added a broad capping strip over the waist gunwales." http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/66436.html Using SLR0315, he notes that "With the 'true' frigate came a broadening of this capping strip into a gangway....From about 1757 quarterdecks were built with short extensions forward at each side, called on draughts 'the fixed part of the gangways', usually forming landings for the steps down into the waist. http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/66276.html In remaining years through the early part of the 19th century, you see the gangways raised to be flush with the deck (1782), fixed skid beams under the gangways (1790s) and closing of the waist in 1805 and after. Edited July 7, 2013 by Landlubber Mike Quote Mike Current Wooden builds: Amati/Victory Pegasus MS Charles W. Morgan Euromodel La Renommèe Plastic builds: Hs129B-2 1/48 SB2U-1 Vindicator 1/48 Five Star Yaeyama 1/700 Pit Road Asashio and Akashi 1/700 diorama Walrus 1/48 and Albatross 1/700 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/32 IJN Notoro 1/700 Akitsu Maru 1/700 Completed builds : Caldercraft Brig Badger Amati Hannah - Ship in Bottle Pit Road Hatsuzakura 1/700 Hasegawa Shimakaze 1:350 F4B-4 and P-6E 1/72 Accurate Miniatures F3F-1/F3F-2 1/48 Tamiya F4F-4 Wildcat built as FM-1 1/48 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/48 Eduard Sikorsky JRS-1 1/72 Citroen 2CV 1/24 - Airfix and Tamiya Entex Morgan 3-wheeler 1/16 Terminated build: HMS Lyme (based on Corel Unicorn) On the shelf: Euromodel Friedrich Wilhelm zu Pferde; Caldercraft Victory; too many plastic ship, plane and car kits Future potential scratch builds: HMS Lyme (from NMM plans); Le Gros Ventre (from Ancre monographs), Dutch ship from Ab Hoving book, HMS Sussex from McCardle book, Philadelphia gunboat (Smithsonian plans)
Landlubber Mike Posted July 7, 2013 Author #70 Posted July 7, 2013 The NMM does not have models of the Unicorn and Lyme, but Gardiner uses the Guadeloupe (also spelled Guadalupe) as one of the last of that design ordered in 1757 and launched in 1763. This will likely be the design I go with when I build the Unicorn. Quote Mike Current Wooden builds: Amati/Victory Pegasus MS Charles W. Morgan Euromodel La Renommèe Plastic builds: Hs129B-2 1/48 SB2U-1 Vindicator 1/48 Five Star Yaeyama 1/700 Pit Road Asashio and Akashi 1/700 diorama Walrus 1/48 and Albatross 1/700 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/32 IJN Notoro 1/700 Akitsu Maru 1/700 Completed builds : Caldercraft Brig Badger Amati Hannah - Ship in Bottle Pit Road Hatsuzakura 1/700 Hasegawa Shimakaze 1:350 F4B-4 and P-6E 1/72 Accurate Miniatures F3F-1/F3F-2 1/48 Tamiya F4F-4 Wildcat built as FM-1 1/48 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/48 Eduard Sikorsky JRS-1 1/72 Citroen 2CV 1/24 - Airfix and Tamiya Entex Morgan 3-wheeler 1/16 Terminated build: HMS Lyme (based on Corel Unicorn) On the shelf: Euromodel Friedrich Wilhelm zu Pferde; Caldercraft Victory; too many plastic ship, plane and car kits Future potential scratch builds: HMS Lyme (from NMM plans); Le Gros Ventre (from Ancre monographs), Dutch ship from Ab Hoving book, HMS Sussex from McCardle book, Philadelphia gunboat (Smithsonian plans)
ianmajor Posted July 7, 2013 #71 Posted July 7, 2013 Mike, Thanks for the info. The Guadeloupe was one of the ships that I looked at. My proposed layout of the waist, if observed from above, fits in with the Guadeloupe layout. The 'temporary' parts of the gangways should only be two planks wide. Mine will be slighter wider to mask the bulkhead extensions. There should be a step up from the temporary to the fixed part of the gangway and again a further step up to the quarter deck. I won't be able to achieve that without rebuilding a great chunk of the hull - but starting from the beginning would be a different proposition. Your research, I feel, confirms my view that Coral have mixed an early hull with a much later superstructure. Landlubber Mike 1 Quote Ian M. Current build: HMS Unicorn (1748) - Corel Kit Advice from my Grandfather to me. The only people who don't make mistakes are those who stand back and watch. The trick is not to repeat the error.
ZyXuz Posted July 8, 2013 #72 Posted July 8, 2013 (edited) Did you win the auction? No, Mike... the winner won me just by another USD$10... argh~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ It's fine.. let's wait for another auction and bid higher.. haha Anyway, thanks for sharing these precious info here.. The Guadeloupe is really a good reference for the Unicorn Edited July 8, 2013 by ZyXuz Quote Visit My Blog! http://malaysiamodelship.blogspot.com/ Previous Build: HMS Race Horse (Sergal) Current Build: HMS Unicorn (Corel)
ianmajor Posted July 8, 2013 #73 Posted July 8, 2013 Hum - frustrating. Never mind, better luck next time. Quote Ian M. Current build: HMS Unicorn (1748) - Corel Kit Advice from my Grandfather to me. The only people who don't make mistakes are those who stand back and watch. The trick is not to repeat the error.
Landlubber Mike Posted July 8, 2013 Author #74 Posted July 8, 2013 No, Mike... the winner won me just by another USD$10... argh~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ It's fine.. let's wait for another auction and bid higher.. haha Anyway, thanks for sharing these precious info here.. The Guadeloupe is really a good reference for the Unicorn Sorry to hear that. Good luck next time Quote Mike Current Wooden builds: Amati/Victory Pegasus MS Charles W. Morgan Euromodel La Renommèe Plastic builds: Hs129B-2 1/48 SB2U-1 Vindicator 1/48 Five Star Yaeyama 1/700 Pit Road Asashio and Akashi 1/700 diorama Walrus 1/48 and Albatross 1/700 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/32 IJN Notoro 1/700 Akitsu Maru 1/700 Completed builds : Caldercraft Brig Badger Amati Hannah - Ship in Bottle Pit Road Hatsuzakura 1/700 Hasegawa Shimakaze 1:350 F4B-4 and P-6E 1/72 Accurate Miniatures F3F-1/F3F-2 1/48 Tamiya F4F-4 Wildcat built as FM-1 1/48 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/48 Eduard Sikorsky JRS-1 1/72 Citroen 2CV 1/24 - Airfix and Tamiya Entex Morgan 3-wheeler 1/16 Terminated build: HMS Lyme (based on Corel Unicorn) On the shelf: Euromodel Friedrich Wilhelm zu Pferde; Caldercraft Victory; too many plastic ship, plane and car kits Future potential scratch builds: HMS Lyme (from NMM plans); Le Gros Ventre (from Ancre monographs), Dutch ship from Ab Hoving book, HMS Sussex from McCardle book, Philadelphia gunboat (Smithsonian plans)
ZyXuz Posted July 18, 2013 #75 Posted July 18, 2013 Here's my another chance!!! http://www.ebay.com/itm/Modellismo-Corel-Fregata-Britannica-HMS-Unicorn-1790-1-75-Scale-Model-Ship-Kit-/380680288595?pt=UK_ToysGames_ModelKits_ModelKits_JN&hash=item58a2503953 Landlubber Mike 1 Quote Visit My Blog! http://malaysiamodelship.blogspot.com/ Previous Build: HMS Race Horse (Sergal) Current Build: HMS Unicorn (Corel)
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Calhoun Bobbitt Posted November 14, 2021 #78 Posted November 14, 2021 Has anybody built both Corel and Constructo and can offer comparison? I built Constructo Cutty Sark, am unable to locate their HMS Victory and am considering Corel. Canute 1 Quote
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