ronald305 Posted August 21, 2020 Share #1 Posted August 21, 2020 Hello there is someone on this site working on the Model space HMS Victory or maybe finished the kit reason I ask is I am having a senior moment or brain freeze here LOL, it's about stage 36, for some reason I can't seem to figure out where to start with the planking of the bow the booklet tells me to follow stage 32, mostly page 185 of stage 32 but to me stage 36 is a little different for example on page 185 the first plank is tapered then glued to the bow next to the lower planking the plank is beveled of course and ends at rib 18 fine then you follow with three more ending at 17, then 16 then back to 18 ETC, but when you get ready to start stage 36 page 202 it's a total different scenario, I'm just guessing here but do I follow part 1 page 202 and add dropper plank at 17 to 19 if so which rib the first plank stop at I can not see the end of the plank, see what I mean, if any one understands the issue I am asking I would appreciate your advise and where to start thank you Ronald Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allanyed Posted August 22, 2020 Share #2 Posted August 22, 2020 Ronald, Photos would be a huge help here. Unless someone has the same kit, your description is really difficult to understand, for me at least. Allan mtaylor 1 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff5115 Posted August 22, 2020 Share #3 Posted August 22, 2020 Have you tried looking at the instruction videos on the Model Space website? They also have a HMS Victory forum where you can post questions. mtaylor 1 Quote Current Build 18th Century Armed Longboat-Model Shipways Completed Build Lady Eleanor-Vanguard Models King of the Mississippi-Artesania Latina Future Build Vanguard Models- Alert Jeff Farber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronald305 Posted August 22, 2020 Author Share #4 Posted August 22, 2020 yes I have several times but I will continue to watch it again the fellow who is building the model on the video goes a little to fast and doesn't explain stag 36 very well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronald305 Posted August 22, 2020 Author Share #5 Posted August 22, 2020 I explained it the best way I know how but I added photos so everyone can chime in if they wish Ronald mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronald305 Posted August 22, 2020 Author Share #6 Posted August 22, 2020 here is two photos of the bow where I left off same side different shot if you think it would help R mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre1967 Posted September 15, 2020 Share #7 Posted September 15, 2020 hi hi i am building this victory and have completed the hull and so if i can help i will do my best or have you already got the issue sorted? Ryland Craze 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronald305 Posted September 15, 2020 Author Share #8 Posted September 15, 2020 Hi Andre- I have gotten the bow area sorted Andre thanks for wanting to help I am having issues with planking the stern I had removed 4 of the planks on each side plus the cord board shims as well and have started over because they were uneven by a MM or more but I will add a photos to show you or any one that might be interested, also Alan from model space community told that their should be about 8 planks to the false keel, anyway the 1st photo will show the planks are uneven and before removed from stern 2nd photo shows the planks removed, Could you show me or explain how to even out the planks so I can get 8 planks on each side to reach the false keel evenly, Sadly in his victory build he does not show how he does it in the video it they just end up done thank you Ronald Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre1967 Posted September 15, 2020 Share #9 Posted September 15, 2020 Hi Ronald, here is a pic of my victory stern, as you can see alot of the original planking gets covered by details and paint, i cant tell if i have the 8 planks that Alan described to you although it looks about right. I can see what you mean, it looks like you have 5 planks on the left and 4 on the right. Are the planks fairly level on each side of the ship? if so i would taper slightly more on one side at the stern to even the gap, as you can see on my photo you wont see it on the model once sanded and painted, if your keeping it a natural wood finish then i guess its more critical, im fairly inexperienced to other guys on here so they might have a different view. mtaylor and Ryland Craze 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre1967 Posted September 15, 2020 Share #10 Posted September 15, 2020 maybe measure each side from the first plank to the outside edge of the false keel and divide by 7 which will give you how much to taper each plank, obviously the last plank each side will end at the start of the false keel so you can fit the back of the perm keel and rudder, god i hope that makes some sense. mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre1967 Posted September 15, 2020 Share #11 Posted September 15, 2020 just found this pic might help a bit more. mtaylor and Ryland Craze 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronald305 Posted September 15, 2020 Author Share #12 Posted September 15, 2020 Hi Andre I'm guessing that they were leveled before I removed them and decided to start over the # 5 plank you see in the first photo was the beginning of the next 8 layer of planks before I notice the unevenness of the planks, but like you mentioned I will be coppering the hull did you paint the hull a copper color it looks like you did because I can see that your planks are even from the lines, but anyway back to mine even thought they will be covered I will feel better knowing that the planks are even all the way to the false keel PS nice job on your model before and after the paint job Ronald Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre1967 Posted September 15, 2020 Share #13 Posted September 15, 2020 thanks Ronald, yes mine is copper painted, i will add some more coats of admiral {real} copper paint when it arrives, it will patina like real copper then, i think copper plating looks awesome but didnt want to bite off more than i could chew so to speak. I hope i was some assistance, its good to know that there are other like minded people to chat to when in doubt, best of luck with your build she is coming along nicely mtaylor and Ryland Craze 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronald305 Posted September 15, 2020 Author Share #14 Posted September 15, 2020 thanks Andre no one from the Model space community hasn't responded to my request for help except Alan but all he told me was his victory had 8 planks in the stern area that is why I came here to this site Ronald mtaylor and Ryland Craze 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronald305 Posted September 17, 2020 Author Share #15 Posted September 17, 2020 Hi Andre I was thinking since you to worked on the Victory from model space when you started planking the stern would you happen to know if the last rib 30 was almost close to the height of rib 29 and are there any type of measurements I can maybe use to get the fairing right, because that may be the cause of my problem planking the stern I may faired it to much and have to add filler, the first planks is under the floor appear to be only one that is ok but the rest are coming out right any suggestions. thank you Ronald Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre1967 Posted September 17, 2020 Share #16 Posted September 17, 2020 Hi Ronald, the last rib is 31 and i believe it should be the same height, i remeber having to unglue mine and do it again [ a common mistake] as Alan looked at photos and felt it was sitting too high and he was right i didnt push the rib all the way in. if i can find the pics i will upload them for you, but i have a new pc and phone since and may not have them. But im pretty sure they should be the same height. Just so you know i didnt add any timber to the ribs, for the fairing i only sanded an angle for the planks to sit flush. hope this helps some.cheers mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre1967 Posted September 17, 2020 Share #17 Posted September 17, 2020 Hi Ronald the pics are in my build log on model space. go there and look at page 3 of pfcdre victory build log. there you will find pics. https://forum.model-space.co.uk/resource.ashx?a=132202 is the one Alan gave me but there are lots of others that should help you for sure mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronald305 Posted September 17, 2020 Author Share #18 Posted September 17, 2020 yes you right there is a 31 but it is glued to rib 30 right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronald305 Posted September 17, 2020 Author Share #19 Posted September 17, 2020 are you on the UK version of the model space or the US forum because I do not belong to the UK version Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronald305 Posted September 17, 2020 Author Share #20 Posted September 17, 2020 I found your username in the model space forum but what is the post name under Ronald mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre1967 Posted September 17, 2020 Share #21 Posted September 17, 2020 im on uk version.my username is pfcdre and the posts are in the hms victory members build diaries, title is pfcdre's hms victory mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronald305 Posted September 17, 2020 Author Share #22 Posted September 17, 2020 thanks Andre ' I was able to find you in the US version as well Ronald mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre1967 Posted September 18, 2020 Share #23 Posted September 18, 2020 no problem hope it helps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronald305 Posted September 30, 2020 Author Share #24 Posted September 30, 2020 Hi Andre do you remember me asking you for help with my model space victory well I still need help with the stern planking problem, I am at the point of bending the ends to almost match the curvature of the stern, and hopefully trim the angle and twist at the ends any way could you explain part 3 near the bottom near end it says to mark the front of frame 30 or as we would call it rib 30 it is also seen in part 7 is that mark used to help cut the angle if so how do I get that mark meaning how do I measure for it, it only says to leave a generous amount about 25mm from the inside of rib 30 to end of the planks I can not ask any more for help because Mark from Admin ended the thread if you can shed some ;light on this matter I would appreciate it thank you Ronald Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre1967 Posted September 30, 2020 Share #25 Posted September 30, 2020 from what i remember you mark the frame as the starting point for the bend, and you leave around 25mm at the stern end as this makes it alot easier to bend and twist, once you are happy with the fit you would cut it back to how it looks in the photos ie step 7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronald305 Posted September 30, 2020 Author Share #26 Posted September 30, 2020 I understand about the 25mm piece of planking sticking out from the inside of rib 30 to the end of the plank, but you lost me when you said the mark that is on the front of the stern is used as a starting point three questions for you 1) how do you mark off the area on the stern as in part 3 and shown in part 7, 2) where did you find that information, 3) the mark that is on the stern is that a reference point for the bottom of the angle that to be cut like it looks on part 7 it looks that way there is no front view to go by Ronald Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre1967 Posted October 1, 2020 Share #27 Posted October 1, 2020 yes Ronald i believe that mark is for reference to where you would start your bend and twist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronald305 Posted October 1, 2020 Author Share #28 Posted October 1, 2020 ok thanks Andre my last and main questions then, is How do I get that mark on the front of the stern the instructions do not tell you anything on how to put it there it just says mark the front of the frame/rib, I was hoping Alan would have responded to my question about that since that first plank helps with the rest of them, Mark from Admin locked my thread on that post, so I can't get help from Alan any more for that post unless I PM which I did several times Ronald Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronald305 Posted October 1, 2020 Author Share #29 Posted October 1, 2020 also you never answered my first 2 questions I ask: 1) HOW DID YOU MEASURE FOR THAT MARK 2) HOW DID YOU COME ACROSS THE INFORMATION FOR THAT Ronald Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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