Agamemnon 24lb Carriage Dimensions

[JamesT1]

Good evening all

 

I am opening up the main gun deck on the Caldercraft Agamemnon 1781,,,  can somebody please point me in the direction where I can find the carriage dimensions for the 24lbrs carried  by her,, many thanks

 

Jim

 

Edited February 11, 2022 by JamesT1

[Morgan]

From what I’ve seen of guns recovered from the wreck of the Agamemnon they were Armstrong pattern guns, Vanguard models carry both these and appropriate gun carriages.

 

If you wish to make your own you will need the 1795 pattern gun carriage which was the prevailing carriage when Agamemnon was wrecked, carriages having a lifespan of approximately 10 years.  Search the NationalMaritime Museum collections (https://www.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects). 
 

Gary

[allanyed]

Jim

Kudos to you for doing this research.  I  would not trust everything from Caldercraft without confirming with some independent research as you are doing.  If you are looking to make your own carriages to actual dimensions of the time, Caruana's History of English Sea Ordnance, Vol. 2 is a great source.  There is a detailed drawing of a 24 pounder from 1760 on page 377 and another from 1791 on page 378.  Looking at pictures of the  Vanguard  24 pounder carriage, they look similar to that of 1760.  The Caruana drawing has the carriage at exactly 6 feet long which would be 1.125" long at 1:64 scale. Unfortunately the Vanguard is at a different scale, 1:72 so much too short if it is to scale and if your scale is 1:64.   I agree with Gary that the Armstrong pattern is appropriate for the time Agamemnon was launched so the 1760 pattern would apply.   The below is a mirror image tracing of the drawing found in History of English Sea Ordnance.  If you need a pdf of this, PM me and let me know what scale you need and I can email a copy to you.

Allan

Edited February 13, 2022 by allanyed

[Morgan]

There are Vanguard 24 pdr  carriages available at 1/64, the lengths are just not not given on Chris’s website, I’ve just measured the ones I have and they are a tad under 30mm, so close to 6ft at full scale.  

 

Gary

[allanyed]

Thanks for information Gary,  I did not see these on their website but found it now.   Good to know for the future although  😀

Edited February 13, 2022 by allanyed

[JamesT1]

Gary/Allan many thanks for the information...

 

Just had a look at Vanguard models site... .  so Allan in a moment common sense ( I wimped out) and bought the carriages for the 24lbrs.... mainly because they have all the brass fittings with them

 

 I'll save the scratch building for another day

 

some very nice things on the site so bookmarked for some future moments of weakness

 

Many thanks for your help and information much appreciated

 

Jim

Edited February 13, 2022 by JamesT1

[allanyed]

Pay attention to the axles.  In the photos on the website they are out of round.  You may want to consider replacing those parts if yours come in with the odd shape.  To make your own is easy and rounding the axles is quick.  I have a few home made cutters sized for various diameters.  Pictures worth a 1000 words, etc, etc. below   

Allan

[JamesT1]

1 hour ago, allanyed said:

Pay attention to the axles.  In the photos on the website they are out of round.  You may want to consider replacing those parts if yours come in with the odd shape.  To make your own is easy and rounding the axles is quick.  I have a few home made cutters sized for various diameters.  Pictures worth a 1000 words, etc, etc. below   

Allan

 

Thanks for the head up Allan, I'll keep a watch for the type when they arrive,,, I've downloaded the guide and it tells you to round them off