Name the Ship Game

[Werik]

I'll find one to post tomorrow.

[Werik]

Well, as promised, here is the next mystery ship. She has a rather obscure place in in American maritime history compared to the likes of  say, the Constitution. Nevertheless, she figured prominently in her own way as a proof of concept to her owners, and as an asset to the people who built her and sailed her.

 

[Menno]

The first thing I noticed.... is that a cutout for a propeller in front of the rudder? (I know how that's called in dutch(schroefraam) but I don't know the english name.), anyone?

[Menno]

Are we looking at a sketch from a replica maybe? Replicas are often motorized.

[Werik]

No Menno, this ship predates the use of motors or propellers. And yes the sketch is from a replica. There are few surviving details of the ship, but among those that have were a small sketch drawn on some incidental paperwork.  

[jud]

Here we go again, guess I will cross this thread off and stop checking it for items of interest.

jud

[Werik]

Jud, as a new participant to the game, I must confess that I am confused. Why would you stop checking this thread, and what exactly would hold your interest? 

[Menno]

No Menno, this ship predates the use of motors or propellers. And yes the sketch is from a replica. There are few surviving details of the ship, but among those that have were a small sketch drawn on some incidental paperwork.  

 Yes, I'm completely aware she predates the use of motors or propellers. Probably even a few centuries.   And that's why I pointed out that cutout.

 

That sprit isn't very common for a ship this size is it? I know some ship types still have it but they are all from inland waters. I'm having the feeling this drawing representing a very old type of ship. Maybe even 17th century? Because to me3 it looks like something build for coastal waters. But is a sprit sail menageable at sea at all? Ive googled a lot of painting about sea going vessels but non of them have a sprit. Very confusing, yet very interesting.

Edited August 8, 2014 by Menno

[Menno]

So are we looking at a period where America was being colonized? I've used the keywords ship, replica and colony and that gave me one this picture which matches the drawing quite well. And it's the only replica from america with a sprit rig I could find.

http://images.search.yahoo.com/images/view;_ylt=AwrTcXQLhORTp5IAp3.JzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTIzOGJjNGk3BHNlYwNzcgRzbGsDaW1nBG9pZAM4NjA5MGUwODI0ZWJjYmNjNzA0Y2Q5ODdlZTI1OTA5NQRncG9zAzExBGl0A2Jpbmc-?back=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.search.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%2Fimages%3F_adv_prop%3Dimage%26va%3Dship%2Breplica%2Bcolony%26fr%3Dcrmas%26tab%3Dorganic%26ri%3D11&w=1140&h=640&imgurl=newenglandboating.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F07%2FVirginiaModel.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fnewenglandboating.com%2Fnews%2Fpopham-colony-replica-ship-nears-completion.html&size=174.9KB&name=Model+of+the+Virginia.+Photo%2FNEB%2FTom+Richardson.&p=ship+replica+colony&oid=86090e0824ebcbcc704cd987ee259095&fr2=&fr=crmas&tt=Model+of+the+Virginia.+Photo%2FNEB%2FTom+Richardson.&b=0∋=480&no=11&ts=&tab=organic&sigr=12ivvfsje&sigb=13e785ril&sigi=122a60o1d&sigt=11gbjehpj&sign=11gbjehpj&.crumb=SjBCU0V1frP&fr=crmas

 

Is it the Virginia?

 

p.s. I hope my writing is all clear enough. English isn't my first language so I'm often having a hard time with naming parts.

And I forgot how to insert a picture, even though I've done that a few times before, so excuses for the link instead.

[Werik]

I apologize about the rudder cut out, I see what you mean. You are correct Menno, it is the Virginia. She was built by the settlers of the Popham Colony in what is now the State of Maine, a contemporary of the Jamestown colony, but not as well known. She was very likely the first ship built by English settlers in America, and was built to prove to the colony backers that ships could be built of American materials. In that she was successful. She completed two trans Atlantic voyages, including surviving a hurricane. Here are links that you might find interesting. http://www.mfship.org/Maines_First_Ship/Home.html and http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/14/columns/guest/stan/index.htm#.U-SxguNdWSo. 

[Menno]

Thanks, I found that first link earlier and I must say it was a very interesting choice you made with a lot of history to it.

 

But I still don't know what that rudder cutout is called in English so if anyone knows? 

And please feel free to correct my bad nautical English because it'll be a very useful way to learn it and it will make this topic more interesting for readers to follow.

 

Now, let me have a look for a new one....

 

edit: found a build log about the Virginia replica for who is interested. 

http://virginiamfs.blogspot.com/

Edited August 8, 2014 by Menno

[Menno]

 

Here's a new one. Because some people probably are on holiday i will start giving some clues tomorrow to keep up the speed of this game. 

 

Have fun!

[Werik]

Thanks for the link to that great site, Menno. I haven't yet found another name for the cut out, I have only found it described as a rudder cut out, or a propeller cut out. There's probably a term for it somewhere, but I haven't seen it yet, maybe someone on this site has the knowledge. 

[Menno]

It seems quiet as expected.

 

She was built as a fisheries patrol vessel but was later used as a navy vessel during WWI. She didn't survive that war which made her the only ship loss within her fleet.

[Stockholm tar]

Menno,

 

It is sometimes called a propellor 'aperture' in English.

Edited August 10, 2014 by Stockholm tar

[Menno]

Thanks Stockholm tar, 

 

That was helpful. I will google it.

[Menno]

I wonder whether I should give more clues right now. I'm having the feeling noone is there to read it anyway.   

[Beef Wellington]

Menno - some clues might be helpful, if something sits for a while it probably means people are struggling...

[Stockholm tar]

I wonder whether I should give more clues right now. I'm having the feeling noone is there to read it anyway.   

Menno,

 

Actually, I think there are probably quite a few following this thread, so, as has been suggested...

[Menno]

Maybe the clue I gave earlier was a little misleading by saying that she was the only WWI loss within that navy because that may suggest that she was hit by a torpedo or whatever, but she was hit by a storm. Still making her the only loss though, which suggest that we better look at another direction then Europe. 

 

 

Menno - some clues might be helpful, if something sits for a while it probably means people are struggling...

I was thinking, most people are away on holiday, and I'm just only entertaining myself.

Edited August 18, 2014 by Menno

[amateur]

No. hollidays are over.

Due to the background my second thought was canada....(my first was: finland or sweden, but as you say it is outside europe...)

 

Jan

[Menno]

Yes, that background excludes quite a lot. Although it could have been somewhere on the southern hemisphere as well. Anyway, Canada is right and

that together with the rest of the clues and the ship build (clearly not build during the 16th century) should give enough info I hope.

 

Did I already mention its a steel build?

[Menno]

Why is noone asking questions to narrow it down? Is it an uninteresting choice I made?

[amateur]

HMCS patrol boat, canada, sunk in WW1, but no war-casualty.

Google all of the above, and you end up with HMCS Galiano.

I guess, there is no other that fits the bill.

 

Jan

[Menno]

You got it right Jan, as allways.

Over to you.

[amateur]

Then this is the next one.

 

First hint: it's a tug

 

Jan

[st george]

Dutch tug?

[amateur]

Sure, i always show dutch ones

 

Jan

[old salt]

Is it the Dutch Salvage Tug Jacob Van Heemskreck?

[amateur]

Yep, thats her.

Long gone by now (as is her company)

Jan