Sir Lancelot 1865 by Luis Felipe - FINISHED - 1:100 - Tea Clipper

[Luis Felipe]

Many thanks again, what a nice picture of Sir Lancelot. Its interesting that depicts white masts and also white cabins, deck arrangements are the ones of the Sir Lancelot, also depicts davits, davits appear in some representations and models and by example Mr. McNarry does not include davits in its models.  

There is a beautiful model of the Red Jacket by Donald McNarry, very handsome ship, will check also the WILD PIGEON.

 

About the Stephen D. Hopkins book "Red Jacket" I have been looking but it is not available anywhere, so Mr. ClipperFan if you have some scans I will appreciate a lot if you can share it with us.

 

By the way, did you know that here in Chile we have still afloat the ship " Huascar" commissioned by the Peruvian Navy in 1864 to Lairs Brothers, Birkenhead, England. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huáscar_(ironclad)

https://huascar.cl/

 

Thanks Again. Saludos from Chile, LFG.

 

     

     

[ClipperFan]

On 9/22/2023 at 11:35 AM, Luis Felipe said:

Many thanks again, what a nice picture of Sir Lancelot. Its interesting that depicts white masts and also white cabins, deck arrangements are the ones of the Sir Lancelot, also depicts davits, davits appear in some representations and models and by example Mr. McNarry does not include davits in its models.  

There is a beautiful model of the Red Jacket by Donald McNarry, very handsome ship, will check also the WILD PIGEON.

 

About the Stephen D. Hopkins book "Red Jacket" I have been looking but it is not available anywhere, so Mr. ClipperFan if you have some scans I will appreciate a lot if you can share it with us.

 

By the way, did you know that here in Chile we have still afloat the ship " Huascar" commissioned by the Peruvian Navy in 1864 to Lairs Brothers, Birkenhead, England. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huáscar_(ironclad)

https://huascar.cl/

 

Thanks Again. Saludos from Chile, LFG.

 

     

     

@Luis Felipe Thanks for sharing the link on the ironclad monitor Huâscar. When I have more free time, I'll investigate her some more. Those were fascinating warships. Can you just imagine the hellish conditions inside them though? The smell of cannon discharge not to mention thick smoke. Add to that the thunderous echoes of cannon balls impacting the iron hull outside. Talk about steel cojones! 

It's raining here, so I couldn't take my book to get scanned. Meanwhile I took a couple pics with my cell phone. They're not great but it gives you an idea of some of the line drawings. The first is actually from David McGregor's "Fast Sailing Ships." The 2nd is a big 2 page spread and it was very hard to get it right. There are 2 large fold out double sided pages. They should look much better than this scanned. Ironically, as big as Red Jacket was, she was a full 15 feet shorter than McKay's monster clipper Glory of the Seas!

[Wawona59]

On 7/23/2023 at 2:15 PM, ClipperFan said:

Hi Rob,

I'm glad you enjoyed those. I really hope Luis liked them too. He's doing a hell of a job on one of the most beautiful Scottish tea clippers. I must be having more email issues again. I haven't seen communications from either Mike or you in a while now. I'm deep into writing the second Glory of the Seas article draft which is already even longer than the first because there's just so many details to cover to do the topic full justice. I'll send you a pm with my wife's email address to reopen communications. We just returned from a second hotel stay for 3 days while asbestos was removed from our kitchen. Now we have to move the stuff out of our son's bedroom, back to the kitchen, so that both rooms can have new floors installed. Meanwhile July 1st my son and I were t-boned by a guy who was speeding, made an illegal right pass, violated a right turn only signal, ran a red-light and smashed into us. Fortunately, other than scrapes and bruises, we're both fine. We'll probably seek therapy though, per the advice of an attorney. Meanwhile, my ultra-rare 1997 Cougar XR-7 30th Anniversary Edition in mint-condition which took 4 years to find, and I just registered March 20th is in real serious shape. Our family keeps asking "What hall of mirrors did we shatter?" 

Meanwhile, I want to return this thread to Luis Felipe and his impressive build.

Hi Luis Felipe,  I just found your build log.  Your Sir Lancelot is simply spectacular!  Thank you for posting the many photographs of your Sir Lancelot build.  Your photo of the mast tops and the large lubber's hole really illustrates what Clipperfan was trying to show me for my Flying Fish build (which I'll be getting back to soon after I finish a few other projects I have in the pipeline). 

 

As for projects, I think one of Donald McKay's "California Clippers" may be in order.   There are already plenty of Flying Clouds and Flying Fish modeled.  What about one of his lesser known clippers such as his medium clipper Santa Clause of 1854 or his extreme clipper Stag Hound of 1850?  Modeling any of these will require some research; but that's part of the fun.

 

I've really enjoyed reading your build log.

 

 

[rwiederrich]

13 hours ago, Wawona59 said:

 

 

As for projects, I think one of Donald McKay's "California Clippers" may be in order.   There are already plenty of Flying Clouds and Flying Fish modeled.  What about one of his lesser known clippers such as his medium clipper Santa Clause of 1854 or his extreme clipper Stag Hound of 1850?  Modeling any of these will require some research; but that's part of the fun.

 

I've really enjoyed reading your build log.

 

 

I concur.

 

Rob

[rwiederrich]

Just refound some images of the model of the Snow Squall.   This little clipper would be a fun one to build.

[ClipperFan]

On 9/26/2023 at 2:07 PM, rwiederrich said:

I concur.

 

Rob

@Luis Felipe I would seriously love to collaborate with you on a first ever accurate recreation of Donald McKay's inaugural extreme clipper ship Stag Hound. Included here are a couple beautiful paintings of her. The Revell box top painting by John Steel isn't accurate at all, since it's meant to portray the model itself. Instead of an elevated forecastle, there's an odd cabin where there never was one. I only incuded it because it's a lovely piece of art which inspired me as a kid. The 2nd painting by James E Buttersworth gives a much better idea of the mammoth size of this premier McKay clipper. In fact, at her late December 1850 launch, she was the largest merchant ship in the world. There are more than enough, precise details to reconstruct her with a great degree of confidence. There's an exact half hull model of her carved by McKay's son Cornelius. William Webb has published her lines. From that, I overlayed her naval hoods, cutwater and leaping golden "stag hound" figurehead. It would be exciting to finally see McKay's most extreme clipper ship finally realized. One caveat, there's some rebuilding of my home that must be done before cold weather sets in and I have to finish the 2nd Nautical Research Journal article. After that, I would have more free time to focus on this.

[ClipperFan]

@Luis Felipe after I posted the Webb lines, I realized they were reversed. Here's the correct one.

[Luis Felipe]

Excellent!! seriously look ing into "Staghound" , it seems to me that is like a "conceptual ship" that set the foundation for the upcoming McKay successful ships. 

 

[Luis Felipe]

This drawing? do you know the source? There is any clue about bow the decoration?

[rwiederrich]

4 hours ago, Luis Felipe said:

This drawing? do you know the source? There is any clue about bow the decoration?

Clipperfan drew it....and he did so with aquired knowledge gained through tedious research of Donald McKay's patented *secret* Naval hood.  One distinctive feature McKay put on all his clippers.....that most replicators fail to include.

 

Rob

[ClipperFan]

3 hours ago, Luis Felipe said:

This drawing? do you know the source? There is any clue about bow the decoration?

Luis, I'm the sole source of this reconstruction. Overlaying the hull depicted by Webb, I added her "carved and gilded stag hound, represented panting in the chase" figurehead, naval hoods and her gracefully curving cutwater. All which are precisely described by Duncan McLean, publicist of the Boston Daily Atlas, December 21, 1850, in his exactingly detailed description of Stag Hound. Lars Bruzelius's excellent website "The Maritime History Virtual Archives" is an excellent source for these wondefully detailed articles. Quite likely, since this was McKays inaugural extreme clipper more detail about her construction was supplied by the shipyard. I also referred to this contemporary unknown artist's work which clearly depicts a greyhound like dog springing forward. A stag hound is a Scottish breed, close in appearance to a greyhound but with thick fur. Figurehead, naval hoods and cutwater all would have been embellished with gold-leaf, similar to the bow on Glory of the Seas. 

Her sail plan looks accurate but I wouldn't know for sure until I plotted out her spars. Hull looks fairly accurate but the turned rail wouldn't extend anywhere near as far forward. Her stern poop was 44'. Based on what appears to be a 1929 date, this looks like it could be the work of Charles Davis. He's approximated the naval hood but the cutwater's missing. The lovely painting with sails isn't accurate. The port stern view looks more accurate.

[Luis Felipe]

Thanks for your advice and support, let me start another thread for the Staghound and try to dig & research, and of course, interexchange opinions, you all know that any of this project is a long run, so in the mean time lets see what we can find. 

[ClipperFan]

@Luis Felipe Where you lead, I will follow. I recently acquired a book on the vessels of William Webb. In it I discovered that Howard I Chappelle used the description of the extreme clipper Challenge taken from Lars Bruzelius' website to reconstruct her appearance. In a similar way we can accurately reconstruct Donald McKay's premiere extreme clipper Stag Hound. I've attached a link to Duncan McLean's in-depth article on her build. Building on knowledge acquired while pouring over dozens of detailed contemporary pictures of Glory of the Seas I belive we can arrive at the most accurate miniature of Stag Hound ever produced. Just send me the link to your new post when you have it ready.

http://www.bruzelius.info/Nautica/News/BDA/BDA(1850-12-21).html

[Roger Pellett]

Since this appears to be the most active thread about late Nineteenth Century Sailing Ships (not related to pirates, or Nelsonian Royal Navy). I would like to offer some random thoughts.  

 

After posting somewhere else about Snow Squall, I reread the parts of my book about her concerning disposal of the salvaged parts of her hull.  It seems that her salvors could not find a museum willing to take them so they split them between Maine Maritime Museum, San Francisco, and NYC South Street Seaport.  What a shame.  There are interesting pictures of her bow section complete with its Muntz Metal sheathing on the Maine Maritime Museum’s Website.  South Street Seaport has her Waterway.  Last time that I visited them I was disappointed by their meager indoor exhibits.  I have heard that they never recovered from Super Storm Sandy and their real estate Is tied up in NYC politics. I wish that the Maine people could get this important part of the ship back where it belongs.

 

Drawings-  While checking the Maine Museum’s website I noticed a digital drawings tab.  They offer a wide selection of drawings of Maine built vessels at reasonable prices.  Many of these are lines drawings taken from half models supposedly in the Museum’s collection.  They include Medium Clippers, aka Downeasters, St. Paul and Henry B. Hyde. Worth checking out.

 

Roger

Edited October 5, 2023 by Roger Pellett

[Rick310]

Rob, 

I just came across the pictures of the Snow Squall..  The model is in tha Maine Maritime Museum in Bath Maine, right next to the forefoot of the actual Snow Squall.  I have multiple pictures of the model and have used it as a  reference for the Flying Fish.  Interesting to see the model under construction.  Where did you find the pictures?

Rick

[rwiederrich]

5 hours ago, Rick310 said:

Rob, 

I just came across the pictures of the Snow Squall..  The model is in tha Maine Maritime Museum in Bath Maine, right next to the forefoot of the actual Snow Squall.  I have multiple pictures of the model and have used it as a  reference for the Flying Fish.  Interesting to see the model under construction.  Where did you find the pictures?

Rick

When I was doing some research after I read the book about her.  A friend of mine actually visited her site in the Falklands,  It was  He get me interested . I simply found them on the web. Not sure actually where.  
Sorry.    
 

Rob

Edited October 19, 2023 by rwiederrich