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Ulises Victoria

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Hello all.

I have this crazy idea.

The idea is build the CAF 1/48 HMS Enterprise and then complete it by building the masting and rigging using the HMS Surprise in 1/48 parts and plans (which I abandoned)

A monster project!!!

Do you think is possible to do, and what difficulties I may encounter? Would you encourage or discourage this project?

 

Thank you all.

There aren't but two options: do it FAST, or do it RIGHT.

 

Current Project Build Log: Soleil Royal in 1/72. Kit by Artesania Latina.

Last finished projectsRoyal Ship Vasa 1628; French Vessel Royal Louis 1780. 1/90 Scale by Mamoli. 120 Cannons

 

Future projects already in my stash: Panart: San Felipe 1/75; OcCre: Santísima Trinidad 1/90;

Wish List: 1/64 Amati Victory, HMS Enterprise in 1/48 by CAF models.

 

So much to build, so little time!

 

 

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Look up Enterprise in whatever tables of masting and rigging are closest to its year and list them by spar and line.

Look up Surprise and do the same. 

If they are the same:

Mic the spars in the kit and tightly coil each type the rigging line around a dowel and count the number of coils in a 1 inch distance. The number of coils divided into 1 yields the diameter.  The tables are probably line circumference, so the table numbers divided by pi are your values for comparison.   If the kit numbers match the chart you made up for Enterprise then -- well the spar and line stock has to come from somewhere, so why not.  But the research of Enterprise masting and rigging scatlings needs  to be done first.

 

I forgot the blocks - do the same with them.

Block size is determined by the size of its line.

On an actual ship there is a variety of line diameter.  In scale a lot of that diameter is too close to differentiate. It simplifies things a bit.

Unless a ship is one of the rare ones with individual masting and rigging data,  A kit mfg would or should have done the same lookup.

It is then a matter of you being able to accept the compromises made for the material in the kit.

Edited by Jaager

NRG member 50 years

 

Current:  

NMS

HMS Ajax 1767 - 74-gun 3rd rate - 1:192 POF exploration - works but too intense -no margin for error

HMS Centurion 1732 - 60-gun 4th rate - POF Navall Timber framing

HMS Beagle 1831 refiit  10-gun brig with a small mizzen - POF Navall (ish) Timber framing

The U.S. Ex. Ex. 1838-1842
Flying Fish 1838  pilot schooner - POF framed - ready for stern timbers
Porpose II  1836  brigantine/brig - POF framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers
Vincennes  1825  Sloop-of-War  - POF timbers assembled, need shaping
Peacock  1828  Sloop-of -War  - POF timbers ready for assembly
Sea Gull  1838  pilot schooner - POF timbers ready for assembly
Relief  1835 packet hull USN ship - POF timbers ready for assembly

Other

Portsmouth  1843  Sloop-of-War  - POF timbers ready for assembly
Le Commerce de Marseilles  1788   118 cannons - POF framed

La Renommee 1744 Frigate - POF framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers

 

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Shipyard makes a 1/96 HMS Enterprise card kit that runs about $38 at Ages Of Sail.

 

It will have the exact masting and rigging plans for the Enterprise.

 

Shipyard’s kits are amazingly detailed and designed.

 

Then you could cann materials from your Surprise kit to use on your Enterprise.

Edited by GrandpaPhil

Building: 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans)

1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
 

On the building slip: 1:72 French Ironclad Magenta (original shipyard plans)

 

On hold: 1:98 Mantua HMS Victory (kit bash), 1:96 Shipyard HMS Mercury

 

Favorite finished builds:  1:60 Sampang Good Fortune (Amati plans), 1:200 Orel Ironclad Solferino, 1:72 Schooner Hannah (Hahn plans), 1:72 Privateer Prince de Neufchatel (Chapelle plans), Model Shipways Sultana, Heller La Reale, Encore USS Olympia

 

Goal: Become better than I was yesterday

 

"The hardest part is deciding to try." - me

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Go for it.

Mark
Phoenix, AZ


Current builds;


Previous builds, in rough order of execution;
Shipjack, Peterbrough Canoe, Flying Fish, Half Moon, Britannia racing sloop, Whale boat, Bluenose, Picket boat, Viking longboat, Atlantic, Fair American, Mary Taylor, half hull Enterprise, Hacchoro, HMS Fly, Khufu Solar Boat.

On the shelf; Royal Barge, Jefferson Davis.

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On 11/21/2023 at 9:49 PM, Ulises Victoria said:

HMS Surprise

Hi UV

There are similarities in size and era of the two ships assuming you are talking about the Surprise, nee Unite  captured in 1797 and the Enterprise of 1774.  The idea seems like a fun project but I would use an additional source to confirm the rigging. The rigging on British ships changed a lot in 1794 so IF your Surprise plans are accurate they still may not be applicable to the rigging on Enterprise.  For example. the length of the main mast was a proportion of the beam in 1773 but by 1794 it was a proportion of the EXTREME beam + lower deck.   You can check all the dimensions using the Danny Vadas spread sheet in the Article database here at MSW.  It is a match to Lees Masting and Rigging for the two eras of your ships so you can make a comparison of the two eras and your kit plans and go from there.

Allan

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  • 3 months later...

Jaager notes a good method for determining the diameter of our rigging line, but I don't agree with coiling the line tightly around a dowel. This will stretch the line and result in a smaller diameter than it is. Instead, I wind the line just tight enough to stay in place and then push it lightly against the preceding coil. I'll do this 3 or 4 times and take the average. You can use any size dowel that's comfortable to hold. For the lightest line, I make 2 marks on the dowel 1/2-inch apart and double the number of coils before dividing by 1. Yeah, I know, very fiddly, but I'm a Virgo, it's what we do.

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