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This is my second wooden ship model (although I built a lot of plastic ship models as a kid), after the Grand Banks Dory by the same company, and this is my first build log. I hope I don't break any rules! I am getting a lot of assistance from a series of videos posted online by an experienced plastic modeler who is also building his first wood models using these kits.

 

Fitting the transom knees, I felt like I knew what I was doing. Same with beveling the transoms,  although I realised that if the bottom of the bottom planks were going to be flush with the keel plank, I had to remove more wood than the lines indicated. The building board was a real mess. The 2 transom supports didn't really work as advertised. The bow transom was hanging off the front of the building board, and the stern transom was 1/8 inch above the board. I shortened the bow support, and lengthened the slot in the stern transom to get everything in place. I also broke the stern support - twice! A spare piece of wood glued to the back, and some painters tape got everything fairly shipshape.

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I bent the planks on the building board using hot water. I checked the fit of the bottom and keel planks before I glued anything. I realised that the angle of the stern transom prevented the knee from touching the keel plank. A wedge and a "crutch" got the alignment correct.

 

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I don't trust my chiselling skills, so I used a sanding block to make the rabbets. I marked the rabbets, and used a straight edge to keep the sanding block in line.

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The garboards went on easily, but the second planks and shear strakes were a challange to keep aligned while bendong and gluing, as I am sure anyone who has built this kit knows. When I was bending the shear strakes I realized the top of the planks were supposed to line up with the curved line on the back of the stern transom. Mine were well above it. I lined up the planks with the line, used a pencil to scribe where the bottom part of the planks met the second plank, and used that as a guide to sand off the excess. I worked pretty well, I  think:

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That's how it looked after some putty to fill a few gaps. The bow end also turned out fairly well.

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I spend my glue-drying-time working on my Lego and alt-Lego sets, but that's for another forum. The skeg went on easily. There are no exact measurements provided for where the bilge keels sit, but I used the plan of the real-world boat in the manual and some algebra to figure out there was a scale 7" overlap with the skeg. After bidding a fond farewell to the building board, I added the dagger board case. I put the daggerboard in it before the glue set, and used a machinest's square against the bottom of the keel plank to make sure it was plumb. The bottom frames were a bit of a puzzle, but ended up looking OK.

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That's it so far. Now on to the fussy little bits!

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Posted

Looks like a nice start the model.

 

As always, model building has learning opportunities and problem solving when things don't 'work as advertised.' And it looks like you have a good handle on the process.

 

I look forward to watching this build. 

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Robert Chenoweth

 

Current Build: Maine Peapod; Midwest Models; 1/14 scale.

 

In the research department:

Nothing at this time.

 

Completed models (Links to galleries): 

Monitor and Merrimack; Metal Earth; 1:370 and 1:390 respectively.  (Link to Build Log.)

Shrimp Boat; Lindbergh; 1/60 scale (as commission for my brother - a tribute to a friend of his)

North Carolina Shad Boat; half hull lift; scratch built.  Scale: (I forgot).  Done at a class at the NC Maritime Museum.

Dinghy; Midwest Models; 1/12 scale

(Does LEGO Ship in a Bottle count?)

 

Posted

Looks great for your second wood project    
One of the advantages over plastic is that the glue doesn’t melt it and leave an unsightly surface. Also remember with wood you are basically building a small ship and if you make a mistake it can be corrected even if it requires dismantling the entire area by any means necessary. 
Wecome to MSW. I think you will find wooden ship modeling very rewarding but addicting. 
You are a close neighbor. I live in Lanesboro Ma and like you I have been modeling since I was a kid. If you have any problems with builds feel free to message me, I might be able to help. 

Best RVB (Rick) 

 

 

Posted

Tom

I forgot to add aways remember that  when things go really bad “A little plaster and a little paint make things look like what they ain’t”. If you adhere to that saying after the repair you will definitely feel better. We have all been there many times in a build. 
Best Again Rick

Posted

RVB,

Thanks for the encouragement, and for the offer of help! Good to know there's another Berkshireite on the forum. I'll be showing some of my "a little plaster" in my next post. The quarter knees taxed my beveling abilities.

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I spent the last 2 days (when not gathering with family and friends) working on the inwales and quarter knees. The inwales wnet on easily. I taped the quarter knees in place and used a small stick to trace the angle of the bevel, to use as a sanding guide.

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Despite being careful, or so I thought, there were some gaps, but some Occre putty helped with that. I also realized that one of the bow knees was sitting higher than the other, so I unglued and refitted it. In the end, I think they look OK.

 

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That's it for 2025!

 

 

Posted

Those knees do need lots of careful work but you made a fine job of it!

 

Trevor

In progress: Muscongus Bay sloop, by Model Shipways

                     Eric McKee’s 10 ft clinker workboat, Scale 1:12

                     NRG Half Hull Planking Project

Completed: 1880 Gloucester halibut dory, based on Model Shipways Lowell banks dory

                     Norwegian sailing pram, by Model Shipways

Posted

Post 3 - The thwart frames

 

 For some reason, placing the thwart frames has been the most challenging task of my nascient ship modeling career. It took me over 2 hours to get the forward seat frames properly aligned. I quickly realized that laying the paper marking strip over the bottom frame wasn't going to work, so I cut the strip at the marking for the bottom frame, and sat it on the planks. I did the same for the reaming frames.

 

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Getting the A frames to seat without gaps took a lot of trial and error sanding. Once I realized that most of them would be covered by the thwart, I relaxed a little. Moving on to the B frames, the instructiions give no indication of how far up the planks they should go. Are all wooden ship kit instructions this vague, or is it just Model Shipways? Are they vague on purpose to make you think, or is it just sloppy editing? Anyway, I cut out and partially prepped the forward thwart so i could use it as a guide. I used rubber cement to temperarily position the B frames, adjusting them until the thwart sat level, and they made good contact on the bottom. 

 

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I then marked the position and sanded them to fit. The C and D frames were a snap by comparison, although I did not seat the corresponding thwart, as there was no obvious fixed point where it needs to sit. Maybe a mistake...

 

I glued and unglued the E frames 3 times before getting a satisfactory fit. That despite using the stern sheets to guide placement. Although it is obvious that the stern sheets sit on the ledge formed by the bottom transom, meaning the E frames need to be at the corresponding height for the two pieces of the stern sheets to lie flat, why don't they say that in the instructions? 

 

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The whole process ended up taking 2 days, but despite the frustrations, I was very pleased with myself for figuring out what I had to do to get them to come out right (particularly the iphone level thing), which is part of what makes wooden ship modelng enjoyable to me.

 

Off to boil some floor board cleats!

 

 

 

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Post 4 - Revenge of the Seat Frames

 

A lot of progress over the past 2 days, both on the model, and in my understanding of wooden ship modeling. While I was measuring the floor board cleats, I realized my #1 bottom frame and the first A thwart frame I installed were not vertical. I unglued and re-installed them properly. I cut the floor board cleats to fit between the bottom frames and then removed 2 scale inches. I somehow completely missed that there are 2 floor board cleats next to the dagger board box. Luckily I read Kenchington's amazing build log, and saw the two extra cleats. A lesson learned - study, not read instructions. The cleats looked good.

 

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After that I finished the transoms. While I was at the hardware store buying a 3/8 inch round file, as recommended by the instructions, I realized it was way too big. Home to reassess. The outlined opening is 3/16, not 3/8 inch! Back to Caligari's where I found a chain saw file that fit the bill. Another lesson in reading instructions!. I feel that my sanding skills have improved considerably, and I am pleased with how the transoms look, particularly the stern. I was able to align the shear strakes with the top of the transom pretty nicely.

 

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I then installed the mast step, using the center of the keel plank to find my midline. I cut/folded a piece of paper to fit the width of the keel plank, marked the center, and then scribed the frame. Interstingly, my kit came with a solid bottom piece, unlike what I have read from other modelers. I folllowed Kenchington's advice and shortened the bottom piece so it fit between the frames.

 

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After that, I decided to check the placement of the frames for the midships thwart, which I did not do when I installed them. The thwart was naturally sitting above the top of the dagger board box! After thinking about cutting the tops of the frames, thinning the ends of the thwart, or just ignoring it, I decided to let it rest overnight and re-evaluate in the morning. I came to the conclusion that the only thing to do was to go back and correct my original mistake by ungluing and re-installing the frames. An "Aha moment" for me. I used rubber cement to temporarily install them while correcting the height, and resanded to get them to fit. In the end, I was much happier with how they looked, and how the thwart seats.

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I learned two valuable lessons during this part of the build:

 

1. Study the instructions, don't just read them. I now know you have to read instructions critically, parsing every paragraph and analyzing every illustration, just like I did when when reading medical articles.

2. Don't be afraid to fix your mistakes. If something is wrong, take time to think about it, approach it with a clear mind, and don't do the first thing that pops into your head.

 

Although I feel like these seat frames were my nemesis, I also feel I have emerged from the other side of them a better modeler.

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Thanks to Kenchington for his log! It saved my behind. Next, onto the scary part of drilling holes in the inwales.

 

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Post 5 - Chain Plate Slots and Gudgeon(s)

 

Small but significant progress today. I cut the two chain plate slots, the first time I had ever done anything like that. I used a 0.7 mm bit (the closest I had to the suggested #72) for the hole. There was no way a #15 razor saw was fitting in that hole, so after measuring the scale 2 inches, I drilled a second hole at the far end, and used a #11 blade to connect the two. Then it was easy to use the #15 to straighten the edges. I was dreading this, but it was much easier than I had feared. After using a very skinny piece of folded sandpaper to clean them up, I checked that the chain plates fit. All was good!

 

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I think they look pretty good:

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After untensing my muscles, I started on the rudder gudgeon. Cutting, sanding and gluing a piece of wood - piece of cake! Wrong! First the instructions are amazingly vague - "bevel one side" (it' not a square plank. Bevel the short or long side?) then "glue in place" (bevel up, down, or against the transom?).  I popped out the rudder and figured the long side sat against the transom, so bevel the short side, and probably bevel goes down. Back to Model Ship World to review building logs and confirm my hunches, which were correct. I then had a hard time keeping the bevel straight. It took me 4 tries before I got somethingthat was acceptable.

 

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My only consolation is that people will be so dazzled by my chain plate slots, they won't notice the gudgeon! 😀 I may have a try at redoing it if I have enough of the 3/32" x 1/8" strip left over after I finish the rowlock pads. After that ecstacy and agony, I needed to work on one of my Lego sets to unwind!

Next up, trying my hand at chiseling.

 

Posted

I had exactly the same tension when making the chainplate slots on my pram. A novel experience, as it was for you!

 

Trevor

In progress: Muscongus Bay sloop, by Model Shipways

                     Eric McKee’s 10 ft clinker workboat, Scale 1:12

                     NRG Half Hull Planking Project

Completed: 1880 Gloucester halibut dory, based on Model Shipways Lowell banks dory

                     Norwegian sailing pram, by Model Shipways

Posted

Post 6 - Rowlock Pads, Rub Rails, Dagger Board, Rudder, Thwarts & Stern Sheets

 

I've accomplished a lot over the past several days (taking time out to de-Christmas the house). Before I worked on anything new, I made and installed a new gudgeon pad, which looked much cleaner to my eye. Once again, something I was intimidated by (chiseling rowlock pads) turned out to be very straightforward. I didn't have a "solid wood stop" so I repurposed my old friend the build board against my Occre modeling cabinet. I practiced on a scrap piece of wood, and then finished them all without difficulty.

 

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Another lesson learned - don't be afraid of new things. Drilling the holes was something of a challenge. I had to remake 2 pads because the holes were too cockeyed. I finally managed to drill the holes fairly straight, and my set of broaches arrived from Amazon just in time to tidy them up. The drill bit appearing below the inwale was a welcome sight: 

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A question for more experienced members: Is there a way to ensure that you are drilling vertically without using a drill press? I always seem to be a little off.

 

Overall, I was pleased with the results.

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The rub rails were a non-issue. Quarter-rounding the ends felt easy.

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After that, a lot of sanding this morning to get the dagger board to slide easily through the box. I'm not sure what they meant by "a loose sliding fit", but if I put mine in the box, a slight tap will send it all the way through. Building the cap was fun, except I didn't have any 3/32' square strips left over from the inwales. A phone call and trip to my local artist supply store (Miller's in Pittsfield - in an amazing fab-fifties building) solved that problem. I don't think I did a great job with the finger grips. I may need to re-address them.

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More sanding for the rudder. I managed to get the bevel down to 1/2 scale inch without a lot of difficulty. I may have over cut the upper slot for the pintels, but I figure it will be covered by the etched brass piece.

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I had already done most of the work on the thwarts when I was installing the seat frames, so I just rounded the edges and put the (barely mentioned in the instructions - Thank you again Kenchington!) cleats on the stern sheets. All that is left before the final sanding and painting is installing the midship thwart knees. The instructions indicate doing this before painting. The video build provided by Model Shipways shows them being installed after they have been painted and the thwarts are in place. Any suggestions?

I also realized I should drill the holes in the stern quarter knees before I paint. Again, the instructions mention them in passing but don't give any indication of where they should be, other than one picure with no measurements. Again, any suggestions?

 

What I  learned from these steps:

1. Don't be intimidated by new techniques. Using the chisel blade was much easier than I thought it would be.

2. Have the right tools. The broaches made the holes for the oarocks look professional. Would a drill press have helped?

3. Sanding bevels, even curved ones, is easier than it seems. It just requires patience and the willingness to stop and check your work frequently.

 

My next post will hopefully show a painted hull, after I figure out how to address the midship thwart knees.

Posted
2 hours ago, DocTom said:

...the dagger board to slide easily through the box. I'm not sure what they meant by "a loose sliding fit"

 

Your sailing pram is coming along nicely, Tom!  Regarding the dagger board and its initial loose fit, remember that once you either paint it or stain it (whichever method you choose), that will add just enough thickness to make it a "firmer fit" again. 

Gregg

 

Current Projects:                                                             Completed Projects:                                                                 Waiting for Shipyard Clearance:

USS Constitution 1:76.8 - Model Shipways                    Norwegian Sailing Pram 1:12 - Model Shipways                    Yacht America Schooner 1851 1:64 - Model Shipways

                                                                                              Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack 1:24 - Model Shipways       RMS Titanic 1:300 - OcCre (May now never get to it)

                                                                                              H.M. Schooner Ballahoo 1:64 - Caldercraft

                                                                                              Bluenose 1921 1:64 - Model Shipways

                                                                                              Santa Maria Caravelle 1:48 - Ships of Pavel Nikitin

Posted (edited)

As Gregg has said, your pram is looking great!

 

Installing before painting: Gluing onto a painted surface is never recommended, as the joint relies on the grip of the paint to whatever is underneath. Also, white and yellow glues grip into bare wood and don't do well with non-porous (e.g. painted) surfaces. Then there is a question of your chosen colour scheme. Anything that you want to keep with a natural-wood finish cannot be on the model when you spray it with primer, while parts that have contrasting colours are best painted off-model to ensure a clean edge to the paintwork. On the other hand, there are some parts that cannot be fitted after other parts are in place.

 

You have to juggle with all of those and figure out a sequence that works with your own model. It may be the one in the instructions or it may have to be rather different.

 

Holes in the quarter knees for the rope sheet-horse: You can make your own choice. Aim for the same spot in both knees (so they look nicely symmetrical). Keep away from the corner, so that you can later pass the rope through without trouble. Keep away from the open edge, so that the wood doesn't split. But otherwise just drill where it looks good!

 

Trevor

Edited by Kenchington

In progress: Muscongus Bay sloop, by Model Shipways

                     Eric McKee’s 10 ft clinker workboat, Scale 1:12

                     NRG Half Hull Planking Project

Completed: 1880 Gloucester halibut dory, based on Model Shipways Lowell banks dory

                     Norwegian sailing pram, by Model Shipways

Posted (edited)

Tom the tool I use 20 to 30 times a day is the greatest tool I ever bought. Mine is 4 years old and still works great. The tool is a drill engraver.  When I was building      U-47 I had to drill holes in a 1mm diameter part (times 20) so I could pin the parts together to build the deck guns. The holes were .5 mm and accepted a .5mm brass  rod. The parts couldn’t just be glued together. The drill worked great. The best part you hold it like a pen. It has a friction grip chuck for quick change of bits, and can be bought on eBay for around $21. It comes with a charging cable drill bits saw blades and mandrill and 18 IMG_4660.thumb.jpeg.6302630e3941cf3a931c4208bbcd36f3.jpegdiamond grinding and engraving burs. 
I use it for multiple things ( drilling, enlarging mini holes,cleaning up parts and anything you can think of. The drills have a shank diameter of 2.35mm and are readily available in all sizes on eBay. Enough said praising my favorite tool. 
Here it is. 

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