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Hi Guys,

 

Ollie:  I was contemplating getting stuck into making my Rope Serving Machine, the bits of which have been sitting on my work bench for some time now! 

In fact this leads me to a question I was going to pose later to everyone: Was seizing done on these smaller boats? and if so where?  ( I suspect the answer is Yes, and in much the same places as on larger boats!)

I refer to Ballahoo, Sherbourne & Convulsion here.

 

Nigel: Sorry 'bout that.. ^_^ (I can send you on a 'Branch' if that would help! :mellow: or even a 'Twig or two', though with the wind we have had I suspect you may have plenty of Branches near you!  Rough eh?

 

Kester: Keith Julier's books have been taking a severe looking through! in fact I was going through MSW's Book section and found a very recent post from Nigel (above) listing Mr. Juliers books by content and discovered I had missed one of his books!! :huh: the one with the Lady Nelson!!! (as you know similar to Sherbourne!) you see I thought he had 4 books, the 4th of which is winging it's way from America I think! but Nigel showed me that there are 5 Books! (Later Edit: I thought wrongly that the 4th was Period Ship Kit Builders Manual!! )  (from Nigel's list I was missing The New Period Ship Handbook) this was rightified late last night along with the Rigging book by Underhill (both for about £11 in total for the pair, a BIG WooHoo to Abebooks!)

 

Thanks for checking in folks and of course for the Likes.

 

Fingers Crossed For The Post Man Today (Will it Won't it.. No End of Excitement on the Ballahoo Log! :mellow:  :mellow: )

 

Eamonn

 

Don't forget the Serving Question above there somewhere.. ^_^

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'Was seizing done on these smaller boats? and if so where?  ( I suspect the answer is Yes, and in much the same places as on larger boats!)

I refer to Ballahoo, Sherbourne & Convulsion here.'

 

Eamonn,

 

I think you answered your own question. Yes, anywhere a seizing was thought necessary, be the craft large or small, there was one. I'm actually doing some seizing at the moment on my Sherbourne's backstays (using Alexey's serving machine). It works very well, once you get the hang of it, and looks much better than my efforts by hand. Mind you, when I said to my wife the other day that I was going to do some seizing, she gave me an odd look!

 

Regarding Keith Julier's books, I think I might very well collect the others I don't have, especially Part 3 which includes the Victory bow section, in which I have an interest!  'Masting and Rigging' is practically the bible on rigging from an expert, but bear in mind it's mostly 19th/20th century.

 

Regarding sending Nigel a branch from your tree, I wouldn't be at all surprised if he has it already – judging by the strong winds you've been having! :D

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Hit Abebooks Kester and pick them up for, in the case of 2 of mine £0.60 with £ 4.50 or so Postage !!! (£0.60 isn't a typo by the way) and they are in great condition too!  I got all 5 for a couple of Pound over the cost of 2 from Amazon!! Yea, Underhill is more recent than Sherbourne but I will adapt using Masting & Rigging by Lee (if I remember the name correctly) will see how Mr Underhill is for the later boats as Ballahoo and Convulsion are both very early 1800's.  Was looking at Rigging Fore & Aft Craft too but it was outside my price range (hitting €30 to my door)

Alexeys Serving Machine is a peach, but a lot outside my budget.. the one I propose to make is using bits-n-bobs I picked up online for grand total of €10 (includes a load of various sized Lego cogs, 6 of which are perfect, bought from eBay ;) ) it will be a bit Heath Robinson but should be sturdy and do the trick! oh yea, those famous last words again!!

 

All The Best Kester

 

Eamonn

 

BTW would love to see a post from your 'Sherry' build.. especially the seizing! :P

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The Julier book would be Period Ship Kit Builders Manual, it's a kind of 'How To..' book, where the others deal with Individual Kits with tips thrown in this is essentially the Tips only.. if you follow

Had a quick look over on Abebooks (Yup, that name Again.. ;)  I luv them!! I blame Dee_Dee for putting me onto them) and the book is sitting there for £12 inc delivery to your door! I must have gotten the last ultra cheap one.. sorry :P  (there are loads of then but at slightly dearer prices)

This is weird Nigel, my next post was to suggest CMB put a Kids Balloon onto my order and let it go, be here in hours!!  :huh:  

 

Must be my neighbours Ridge Tile Nigel as all mine are on top of someone's BMW.. Kiddin!  we were rather lucky down my end of town (only a few loose slates) and I'm only 200 hundred meters form the 'Blue Wobbly Stuff'  (to paraphrase Baldrick) yet strangely we don't flood (jeez those famous last words keep coming up!) 

Would you believe the Sun is shinning over here now.. few strong gusts of wind thrown it too though!

 

Take Care Mate

 

Eamonn

 

Pop those Ridge Tiles in the post and I'll pass them along.. :mellow:

 

Before I go.. I wonder if CMB wait to post a bunch of orders at the same time! cos I'm hitting 2 weeks now, yet I got word from Sam that the order was filled 13 days ago.  Filled & posted are two different things mind you  :P

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Hi Eamonn,

 

I'm very surprised that you have been waiting so long for your order from CMB. I've always found them to be incredibly quick with orders; order in the morning and receive the following day.

 

It's probably worth you giving them a ring and checking up on the order....?

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BTW would love to see a post from your 'Sherry' build.. especially the seizing! :P

 

Eamonn,

 

There will be explicit pictures in my next post!  It shouldn't be too long now. Btw, was it you that wanted pics of the mast head, where all the shrouds, etc, are fastened? If so, I've taken a couple of pics of that too.

 

See, I don't stint on the details here! ;)

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Hi Eamonn,

 

Bit late in visiting our build excuse me please, like to have a seat is this theatre. Its going very well I see nice work on the planking. An you have a Sherbourne in the waiting room I understand. Nice to follow that as well. Hope you do well in the build of this boat. Be seeing you,

 

by for now. Jan 

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Had a quick look over on Abebooks (Yup, that name Again.. ;)  I luv them!! I blame Dee_Dee for putting me onto them) and the book is sitting there for £12 inc delivery to your 

 

I've been (wrongly) blamed for worse things, so it's OK, you can blame me B)

 

Your build is looking super and hoping you get your new wood today!

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Hi Eamonn

 

Just checking in to see if you had added an up date as yet but it looks like I am a bit to early, I suppose that you are still waiting for your new hull planking, getting a bit anxious to see just how it will look, Enjoy.

 

Regards Lawrence

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Hi Folks,

 

I was just taking Ollies advice to go do something else whilst awaiting my Timber.. So I built the Serving Machine (I'll have some photos tomorrow hopefully, if it hasn't fallen apart in the meantime! :P ) I haven't tried it yet but the bits rotate the way they are supposed to anyhoo so we shall see!

 

Jim: Shipments from CMB can take a bit longer to reach me over here and the weather I'm sure hasn't helped, I won't panic until mid next week, than I'll get onto Sam (When I order a big parcel, with a Kit in it for example, it only takes 2 to 3 days, but this timber shipment would be coming via regular mail) Hope your own Ballahoo is moving along better than mine ^_^

 

Kester: Am looking forward to your photo updates on Sherbourne (don't forget to photograph the Servings) but it wasn't me chasing the photos of the Mast Head, but I do recall reading the request over on your build!

 

Jan: Welcome on board as they say, I was planning on starting my own little Sherbourne build shortly (around now in fact! or at least after 2nd planking on Ballahoo) but the delay and the fact that I'm having such fun with Ballahoo may mean I put it off for a bit longer, I shall have a think about it, originally I had planned on taking the lessons learned on Ballahoo immediately over to the other builds in case I forgot them but I think I'll be ok!

 

Dee_Dee:  Yup, I'm still blaming you for putting me onto Abebooks.. :P  :P  thanks for putting me onto them, a brilliant book shop!! How goes the Lobster Smack by the way?

 

Nigel: No worries re Abebooks, we can both blame Dee_Dee for that (Sorry Dee Dee ;) ) could spend a lot of money on there!  I picked up the Longridge book about 15 years ago when I was over in Falmouth (there was a fantastic Nautical Bookshop not far from the Harbour, it was an Aladdin's Cave and I had to be literally dragged out of the place) I understand that the Vikky he built isn't in the best of condition at present, heard that on here somewhere,  sad really as it is an amazing model!!

 

Lawrence: Thanks for dropping by again, as you probably gather I've still no Timber :( but I'm occupying myself by visiting all the other builds on here (oh and making Serving Machines of course) I see you are starting to put the 'sticks' on Vikky, and mighty fine it looks too!

 

All the Best Folks

 

Eamonn

 

Hope I didn't miss anyone! :mellow:

 

I'm off now to make up some 'tools' to help feed the string into the serving machine!

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Jan,

 

Worming, parceling and serving, were all part of protecting the rigging (more particularly the shrouds and stays) from the weather, and general wear and tear. The first two practices were applied with the lay of the rope, whilst the serving was done in the opposite direction, hence the old saying, 'worm and parcel with the lay, turn and serve the other way'. 

 

For model purposes, only the serving part is normally done – the shroud, etc, would be far to thick if the first two were done as well, and they are not necessary. The serving process is rather difficult to do properly by hand, so machines have been devised to do it more efficiently:

 

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/5366-serving-machine-25-serving-machine-20-power-option/

 

Alexey's machine, as I mentioned, is very good, and I have used it on my running backstays. I didn't have it before that point, so the shrouds are done in the old way – you can spot the difference! You can also use it for seizing blocks to rigging.

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Hi Kester, your wish is my command.. ;)

 

Have just finished taking some photos.

 

The strings used are purely for demonstration purposes (in fact to make the serving clearer there are '3' layers!) I rigged up a thin piece of wire to help hook the line through the holes, and it works a treat.  With some clips I should be able to hold 'blocks' in place to whip the rope ends!

I had to use a tiny dab of CA glue to hold the serving 'rope' to the 'rope' being served (if you follow) else I found it just spins in place without wrapping itself around the standing part.

 

The whole shooting match cost about €10 (and that was for the Lego Cogs, and the Styrene Tubes (the small white bits) all the rest was lying about the house!)

 

Oh and that's just some tape holding the ends of the string in place, I'll probably notch the white tube ends later!

 

Bit of a Result I think.. :P

 

Eamonn

 

BTW I'm still a timber free zone! :(  :(  :( :(  

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Hi Nigel, am glad to hear about your Lime Wood :angry: Honestly I am... :mellow:  Not a bit jealous over here or anything!

 

The Lego Gears I got from eBay had enough bits-n-bobs to make up a rope walk but as you say it is probably a lot easier to order it in (exactly what I'm doing in fact at the moment from Alex in Germany)

 

Regards the Timber shipment, I am guess in it may be a combination of late postage and weather restrictions that are holding things up, mind you with the cruddy weather we are having it wouldn't be too pleasant in my build room anyhoo, not to mention a bit too dark (I like building using natural light!) this is me being all pragmatic.. :huh:

 

Sail 'er Easy Mate.

 

Eamonn

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I had thought CMB announces availability for each article -- there are many times when I have looked for something on their site and it says 'not currently available' or words to that effect. When I bought the Sherbourne, it was because their site said the Lady Nelson was out of stock, so I rang and asked if there would be anything similar that they had in stock. I was very pleased with their advice to buy the Sherbourne. It may be that with wood they don't advertise stock levels, though.

 

Tony

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Hi Tony thanks for dropping by,  I'm usually ok delivery wise from Cornwall (I choose regular post, not via UPS so I really didn't expect to have the parcel delivery guy knocking on my door after a couple of days :P ) I've not had deliveries run this 'late' before from them though but then again the weather would have held it up considerably, if there is nothing by the middle of next week I will email Sam (replacements are most likely going to take a week or 2 on top of that again , which is a right pain to put it mildly) I don't want to start another Build as I've kinda gotten into a Ballahoo mind-set (thinking ahead to obstacles and how to avoid them etc) I also don't wish to start at the Garboard with the Walnut planking that came with the kit as I want full planks at the Bulwarks (and the Wales are laid off these too) I'll just have to be patient and try to get the impetus back when they eventually arrive!

Perhaps I'll make a start at shaping the Masts if nothing shows up by Wed next.

 

Take Care

 

Eamonn

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I'm a life member of my local branch of BBA.. :mellow:

 

Posty Dude has a restraining order out against me too,  I don't know Arming & Construction! but I have Arming & Fitting on my shelves, seem to recall there was a title by that name some time ago though.. is it worth a look?

 

E

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Wow £300, and yet you can pick up a reasonable copy of virtually any Chapelle for a few quid (ok some get a bit more expensive but not exactly £300 ;) )

I probably still have a Chatham Publishing catalogue with Arming & Construction in it..

 

Eamonn

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Eamonn,

 

BBA? I know it well, although I haven't bought anything for a while. I must rectify that! :) Sorry for the mention of Amazon, by the way. I do buy things from them, but usually through their marketplace. I would never pay those ridiculous prices – and am surprised they don't have a second mortgage scheme!

 

I like your serving machine, it looks just the job. I know what you mean about fixing the line with a spot of glue. I didn't do that for the first trial, and wondered why it was just going round and round – and no neat serving was appearing. :huh: Alexey actually suggests threading the end of the serving/seizing line through the shroud or whatever with a needle. This does the trick, but it's quite difficult to do with the smaller dimension line, and I still also put on a dab of glue to be sure. 

 

I'm doing running backstays now, but they're proving to be a bit tricky, causing me a few headaches – and the emission of not a few bad words!  :angry:  I'll write more about that in my log (not the latter obviously).

 

Sorry to hear you haven't received your wood yet, but you are probably right that it's due to the weather. However, going by the amount of filler you ordered, I expect the captain of your timber ship has had instructions to remain in port. :P

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Hi Again Kester,

 

I too am a big Amazon buyer (for more much mundane 'new releases' books of course) I find I have to fund my book shopping by 'Knocking Off' the odd Bank in my spare time! BBA have told me that that is just enabling my problem though, and to stop immediately.. ;)

 

Am looking forward to giving the old Serving Machine a lash, but given the lack of 'Stuff that Trees are Made of' it may be some time away yet! (admittedly some choice words may be spoken by me at that time too, being as how I'm an Ex Sailor & Irish those words may extent to.. dare I say it.. 'Colourful' :mellow: )

 

Hopefully in a few days I can look back at the Great Timber Shortage of 2014, with a happy tear in my eye and say.. 'Ah Yes, I remember it like it was yesterday' as I take another sip of sherry!!

 

All The Best

 

Eamonn

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Nigel I think we both must have the market in Model Boat Supplies sown up, me with Glue & Filler, and you with 'exotic' Timber's ! well maybe not sooooo exotic, but to a body with not even enough to start a really really small fire it is all pretty exotic :huh:  

 

All The Best

 

Eamonn

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NEWSFLASH....Woo Hoo part 1 of my timber order arrived this morning, that's the good news... the bad news it that the order doesn't have the stuff for Ballahoo's bulwarks.  :huh:

 

 

Can't win :(

 

Eamonn

 

Let's see wot tomorrow brings..

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Eamonn,

 

Your ship made port then – pity it was only half loaded!

 

Seriously though, I imagine you'll at least be able to get started. As you say, perhaps the rest will come tomorrow.

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Hi guys, well at least something arrived and it gives me hope for the rest of the consignment, I wouldn't have been able to do anything until Tomorrow at best anyhoo (that's why I was prepared to give till mid week before contacting Cornwall)

It turns out they may have shipped my 2 orders (placed at virtually the same time) separately (I had asked them to combine shipping costs, but I guess dispatch just went ahead and sent them) 

 

The order that arrived contained various sized Beech timber, and if the worst comes to the worst I'll be able to work with them (after a little bit of sanding that is)

 

Thanks for checking in,

 

Am off out shortly for the evening so won't be back in touch until tomorrow morning.

 

Take Care

 

Eamonn

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Hi Eamonn

 

I am sorry that you are having so much trouble just to get a little bit of wood to continue working on your schooner, keep your fingers crossed and maybe in the AM the post man will bring your goodies. I have been waiting for an up date but then I realise it is not your fault, it is such a shame to hold up such a nice build as yours for just a few pieces of timber.        Enjoy

 

Regards   Lawrence

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At Long Last I have Good News to Report...

 

Yup! you guessed it, my timber arrived this morning and I have the first row of planking in place on the bulwark (just the Starboard side mind you)

I have cut the timber for each row (strake) up into the scale equivalent of approx.18 foot planks.

 

I should be able to get a few more strakes done on both sides tomorrow.

 

Thanks for checking in folks, and for keeping an eye on me during the Great Timber Drought of '14.. :P

 

Incidentally I think Nigel was right when he said that CMB don't always have product in stock when they take an order, even though sometimes they have 'Temporarily out of Stock' marked on some items... as a quick check on the invoice dates show that my shipments are only traveling just over 9 days! (as opposed to the 3 weeks as of tomorrow, since my order was placed)

 

Will have All New Shinny Photos Soon...

 

Take Care.

 

Eamonn

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Postman and CMB are off my 'Hit List' twas a close thing though.. ^_^  (they were in for such a severe frowning upon :angry: :D

There mustn't be a nautical book available in the whole of Europe as Nigel owns them all now.. :P

 

What blocks did you pick up Kester, 'tisn't something I've looked at with a critical eye yet! are the kit ones not up to scratch or is it that there aren't enough of them?

 

Eamonn

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