themadchemist Posted May 12, 2013 Share #61 Posted May 12, 2013 I have no clue,...but I would think serving the shrouds at the mast would be easier with less in the way. but thats a guess as I've never rigged a ship yet. Robbyn should know, or Garward for sure. It seems I read something in Andy's log (realworkingsailor) about rigging the lower masts before adding the uppers, but I could be remembering wrong. I really like your cannon rigging, outstanding Job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sport29652 Posted May 12, 2013 Author Share #62 Posted May 12, 2013 Thanks guys ill look around the rigging thread and see if I can find the answer, if not ill post it Quote Eric Current build(s) ; AL San Francisco II http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/862-san-francisco-2-by-eric-al-190-sport29652/ MS Rattlesnake http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/868-rattlesnake-by-eric-model-shipways-164-sport29652/page-2 Sitting on the shelf : MS Constitution, MS Sultana, Wish List : MS Essex, Confederacy, and Syren, and a Victory kit by someone ? "80% of the time it works every time." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shazmira Posted May 13, 2013 Share #63 Posted May 13, 2013 Eric, either way has advantages and drawbacks. Yes, it is a bit easier to leave masts unassembled, then you can do your stays and shroud lines, get them all "served" up and just hook them over the top of your lower mast pole...drawback, putting the rest of the mast together and keeping it all straight and alligned correctly when the bottom portion is immoveable. If you assemble the entire mast first it is easier to keep everything aligned and straight...drawback, tighter quarters for fat fingers when serving the shroud lines around the top of the lower mast. Either way works. Quote Robbyn If you risk nothing, you risk everything! Current builds Syren (Model Shipways) version 2.0 AL San Francisco II Mordaunt (Euro Model) Completed Builds 18th Century Longboat designed by Chuck Passaro In the closet Battle Station Al Charles Morgan (1980s version) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sport29652 Posted May 14, 2013 Author Share #64 Posted May 14, 2013 Thanks guys, with your feedback I decided to build as I go. My fat fingers helped make that decision. Masts got glued in place tonight so ill have some picks up once my first st of shrouds are done. So far the hardest part is making up my mind on how to do something Quote Eric Current build(s) ; AL San Francisco II http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/862-san-francisco-2-by-eric-al-190-sport29652/ MS Rattlesnake http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/868-rattlesnake-by-eric-model-shipways-164-sport29652/page-2 Sitting on the shelf : MS Constitution, MS Sultana, Wish List : MS Essex, Confederacy, and Syren, and a Victory kit by someone ? "80% of the time it works every time." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sport29652 Posted May 17, 2013 Author Share #65 Posted May 17, 2013 Installed shrouds and deadeyes on the aft part of the ship. Mixed feelings about them. No twist but not exactly even. Next set will see if I can get them level? Quote Eric Current build(s) ; AL San Francisco II http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/862-san-francisco-2-by-eric-al-190-sport29652/ MS Rattlesnake http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/868-rattlesnake-by-eric-model-shipways-164-sport29652/page-2 Sitting on the shelf : MS Constitution, MS Sultana, Wish List : MS Essex, Confederacy, and Syren, and a Victory kit by someone ? "80% of the time it works every time." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shazmira Posted May 18, 2013 Share #66 Posted May 18, 2013 Looks pretty darn good to me, I am beginning to believe we are never happy with the way our own look. Not a bad thing, just makes us strive harder on the next one. So how come you didn't get any twist, I have been fighting that with every one. Quote Robbyn If you risk nothing, you risk everything! Current builds Syren (Model Shipways) version 2.0 AL San Francisco II Mordaunt (Euro Model) Completed Builds 18th Century Longboat designed by Chuck Passaro In the closet Battle Station Al Charles Morgan (1980s version) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sport29652 Posted May 20, 2013 Author Share #67 Posted May 20, 2013 Robbin-I pinch the thread and pull untwisting the line to the deadeye. I also made sure there was no twist in the wire when I was attaching the deadeyes. Much happier with the main mast set. Just ten more to go avsjerome2003 and Shazmira 2 Quote Eric Current build(s) ; AL San Francisco II http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/862-san-francisco-2-by-eric-al-190-sport29652/ MS Rattlesnake http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/868-rattlesnake-by-eric-model-shipways-164-sport29652/page-2 Sitting on the shelf : MS Constitution, MS Sultana, Wish List : MS Essex, Confederacy, and Syren, and a Victory kit by someone ? "80% of the time it works every time." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamarvalley Posted May 20, 2013 Share #68 Posted May 20, 2013 Wow... those shrouds and deadeyes look great smooth tying... I started some yesterday and ripped them out... Try #2 coming up... ain't an easy skill to develop Shazmira 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shazmira Posted May 20, 2013 Share #69 Posted May 20, 2013 Excellent Eric, color me impressed. My next build I will send to you to do the shroud lines! Quote Robbyn If you risk nothing, you risk everything! Current builds Syren (Model Shipways) version 2.0 AL San Francisco II Mordaunt (Euro Model) Completed Builds 18th Century Longboat designed by Chuck Passaro In the closet Battle Station Al Charles Morgan (1980s version) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sport29652 Posted May 21, 2013 Author Share #70 Posted May 21, 2013 Thanks guys, and Robin maybe we can trade work. It's definitely a learning process that I hope sticks. The line work is defiantly a bit more tedious. The snake is calling and I don't know how much longer I can put it off. Quote Eric Current build(s) ; AL San Francisco II http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/862-san-francisco-2-by-eric-al-190-sport29652/ MS Rattlesnake http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/868-rattlesnake-by-eric-model-shipways-164-sport29652/page-2 Sitting on the shelf : MS Constitution, MS Sultana, Wish List : MS Essex, Confederacy, and Syren, and a Victory kit by someone ? "80% of the time it works every time." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sport29652 Posted May 24, 2013 Author Share #71 Posted May 24, 2013 I am proud to announce that my first set of shrouds are complete. Hopefully they are not too tight. I can seriously see my model imploding from the strain avsjerome2003 and Shazmira 2 Quote Eric Current build(s) ; AL San Francisco II http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/862-san-francisco-2-by-eric-al-190-sport29652/ MS Rattlesnake http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/868-rattlesnake-by-eric-model-shipways-164-sport29652/page-2 Sitting on the shelf : MS Constitution, MS Sultana, Wish List : MS Essex, Confederacy, and Syren, and a Victory kit by someone ? "80% of the time it works every time." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesertWolf Posted May 27, 2013 Share #72 Posted May 27, 2013 Eric, Excellent work so far. The shrouds and deadeyes look great! I still think your San Fran cannons are the best in the business. Did you make the extra blocks and eye bolts yourself and did you use some template/book for the layout of all the extras? Now that I have seen your cannons I will never be satisfied with the standard San Fran cannon assembly. Between yourself and Randy you guys keep on making extra work for me Quote Wolf Current build : San Francisco II (AL) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sport29652 Posted May 28, 2013 Author Share #73 Posted May 28, 2013 (edited) So working on the rat lines, what a marathon this is. I nearly lost my mind on the first set but after a few beers I found my groove. A few things I have done: #1 the line supplied with the kit sucks, and I dont mean just a little....allot. So I replaced it with line I ordered from Nature Coast (I think its Jotika ? line) and I have an order in with morope to finish the other parts. I refuse to use the supplied line. #2 I used a curved sewing needle (thanks Robbin) to attack the knots (I used granny knots) #3 I dyed my lines using Kiwi leather dye. Edited May 28, 2013 by sport29652 avsjerome2003 and Shazmira 2 Quote Eric Current build(s) ; AL San Francisco II http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/862-san-francisco-2-by-eric-al-190-sport29652/ MS Rattlesnake http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/868-rattlesnake-by-eric-model-shipways-164-sport29652/page-2 Sitting on the shelf : MS Constitution, MS Sultana, Wish List : MS Essex, Confederacy, and Syren, and a Victory kit by someone ? "80% of the time it works every time." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamarvalley Posted May 28, 2013 Share #74 Posted May 28, 2013 No doubt about the line Eric. I was headed for a rubber room when trying to attach those deadeyes from the shroud to the ones that sit on the channel shelf. I ordered morope and even ripped out the shrouds that were done on the main mast. Lesson #1... start with better thread. I'm circling and waiting.... morope could arrive tomorrow or 2 weeks.... sigh... :mellow: You're getting there tho and it looks good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shazmira Posted May 29, 2013 Share #75 Posted May 29, 2013 Eric, looks good, and smart move on the line. I have decided to tear all my rigging out and start over, I am just not happy with what was supplied in the kit. Quote Robbyn If you risk nothing, you risk everything! Current builds Syren (Model Shipways) version 2.0 AL San Francisco II Mordaunt (Euro Model) Completed Builds 18th Century Longboat designed by Chuck Passaro In the closet Battle Station Al Charles Morgan (1980s version) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shazmira Posted May 29, 2013 Share #76 Posted May 29, 2013 no rake...and rat lines are a piece of cake, I enjoyed the heck out of mine Quote Robbyn If you risk nothing, you risk everything! Current builds Syren (Model Shipways) version 2.0 AL San Francisco II Mordaunt (Euro Model) Completed Builds 18th Century Longboat designed by Chuck Passaro In the closet Battle Station Al Charles Morgan (1980s version) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesertWolf Posted July 2, 2013 Share #77 Posted July 2, 2013 Hi Eric Can't wait to see an update. You guys are lucky that you can order better rigging line. No such luck here. It’s definitely an advantage to live on the same continent as good manufacturers Quote Wolf Current build : San Francisco II (AL) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shazmira Posted July 2, 2013 Share #78 Posted July 2, 2013 wolf, the rope company is actually out of Europe somewhere, it is possible they can ship to where you are, I would get on their website and check it out! Quote Robbyn If you risk nothing, you risk everything! Current builds Syren (Model Shipways) version 2.0 AL San Francisco II Mordaunt (Euro Model) Completed Builds 18th Century Longboat designed by Chuck Passaro In the closet Battle Station Al Charles Morgan (1980s version) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sport29652 Posted July 29, 2013 Author Share #79 Posted July 29, 2013 (edited) RATLINES half way done! Man are these a test of mans patience. Starting to take a serious look at the rigging. Again the instructions/plans are useless. They show blocks that don't connect into anything ? Did get some blocks and line from Chuck P. man does he sell some good stuff. Replaced my anchor rope with Syren line. I would have rigged this ship with his product but no turning back now. My rattlesnake will benifit from it though. In hindsight I wish I had fully assembled my masts with rigging then installed them. Saw so many builds do this but though this was easier. Again I need to learn from others... Not enough time to make all the mistakes on my own. Anyway feel like I coming into the home stretch and its a long stretch. Edited July 29, 2013 by sport29652 Quote Eric Current build(s) ; AL San Francisco II http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/862-san-francisco-2-by-eric-al-190-sport29652/ MS Rattlesnake http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/868-rattlesnake-by-eric-model-shipways-164-sport29652/page-2 Sitting on the shelf : MS Constitution, MS Sultana, Wish List : MS Essex, Confederacy, and Syren, and a Victory kit by someone ? "80% of the time it works every time." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shazmira Posted July 30, 2013 Share #80 Posted July 30, 2013 Eric, way to go, she is looking great!!!! I am about back to this point on my own...still making mistakes lol, but each one is a learning experience right! Quote Robbyn If you risk nothing, you risk everything! Current builds Syren (Model Shipways) version 2.0 AL San Francisco II Mordaunt (Euro Model) Completed Builds 18th Century Longboat designed by Chuck Passaro In the closet Battle Station Al Charles Morgan (1980s version) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sport29652 Posted July 30, 2013 Author Share #81 Posted July 30, 2013 If I were to go back I think I could have taken allot from others like you, randy and wolf etc.... Quote Eric Current build(s) ; AL San Francisco II http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/862-san-francisco-2-by-eric-al-190-sport29652/ MS Rattlesnake http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/868-rattlesnake-by-eric-model-shipways-164-sport29652/page-2 Sitting on the shelf : MS Constitution, MS Sultana, Wish List : MS Essex, Confederacy, and Syren, and a Victory kit by someone ? "80% of the time it works every time." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sport29652 Posted August 5, 2013 Author Share #82 Posted August 5, 2013 Can I get some feedback one these. Not too sure what to call em but where the lower ratlines and the upper deadeyes attach. I made one set with the ratlines and the other without. Is this accurate ? I thought if I was climbing those I would want the ladder all the way up, but then I thought about it and I don't think I've seen these on anyone else's ships ? Ladder or no ladder ? Quote Eric Current build(s) ; AL San Francisco II http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/862-san-francisco-2-by-eric-al-190-sport29652/ MS Rattlesnake http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/868-rattlesnake-by-eric-model-shipways-164-sport29652/page-2 Sitting on the shelf : MS Constitution, MS Sultana, Wish List : MS Essex, Confederacy, and Syren, and a Victory kit by someone ? "80% of the time it works every time." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamarvalley Posted August 5, 2013 Share #83 Posted August 5, 2013 I don't know which is 'accurate' but I know which one I like... with ratlines looks crisper and right. I agree... a climber is going to need the transition to get into the crows nest. Looks good My ratlines begin whenever I stop procrastinating Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shazmira Posted August 12, 2013 Share #84 Posted August 12, 2013 I echo what Randy said, ratlines look better, but don't know what is accurate. Remember, your build so do what you like! Quote Robbyn If you risk nothing, you risk everything! Current builds Syren (Model Shipways) version 2.0 AL San Francisco II Mordaunt (Euro Model) Completed Builds 18th Century Longboat designed by Chuck Passaro In the closet Battle Station Al Charles Morgan (1980s version) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smarinid Posted August 18, 2013 Share #85 Posted August 18, 2013 Looks awesome thus far! I am currently working (early stages) on the SF1. I hope it turns out as nice as this is shaping up to be. Nice work. sport29652 1 Quote Mark S. 1st Build : John Alden Sloop / kit bashed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sport29652 Posted August 18, 2013 Author Share #86 Posted August 18, 2013 Thanks guys, I actually found my answer while working on my rattlesnake the ratlines connect to the crows nest in this fashion but it may be a more modern rigging technique just like foot ropes. Quote Eric Current build(s) ; AL San Francisco II http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/862-san-francisco-2-by-eric-al-190-sport29652/ MS Rattlesnake http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/868-rattlesnake-by-eric-model-shipways-164-sport29652/page-2 Sitting on the shelf : MS Constitution, MS Sultana, Wish List : MS Essex, Confederacy, and Syren, and a Victory kit by someone ? "80% of the time it works every time." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sport29652 Posted August 20, 2013 Author Share #87 Posted August 20, 2013 Thanks marinid, I hope you post a log so we are can help one another. Working on attaching blocks and the upper ratlines. Stuck with the same method I used for the lower but smaller version. Tried attaching blocks using wire..... Didn't go so well. So ended up using thread which at times is easy but making the eyes to attach rope was a little more challenging. The pre drilled holed for the upper deadeyes payed off and I would recommend this for other builders. Quote Eric Current build(s) ; AL San Francisco II http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/862-san-francisco-2-by-eric-al-190-sport29652/ MS Rattlesnake http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/868-rattlesnake-by-eric-model-shipways-164-sport29652/page-2 Sitting on the shelf : MS Constitution, MS Sultana, Wish List : MS Essex, Confederacy, and Syren, and a Victory kit by someone ? "80% of the time it works every time." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edmay Posted August 20, 2013 Share #88 Posted August 20, 2013 Hello Eric,wow what a nice build,really like the planking and its color,awork of art . Canuck fan(maybe this year with "new coach.")Edwin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sport29652 Posted August 22, 2013 Author Share #89 Posted August 22, 2013 Thanks ed, I hope the new coach, figures out the goalie situation and why they keep flopping come post season. I like the sedin brothers but not a big fan of Kesler. My #2 team is the sharks so I hope vancouver gives them a run but in the end I hope the sharks finally bring home the cup. Quote Eric Current build(s) ; AL San Francisco II http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/862-san-francisco-2-by-eric-al-190-sport29652/ MS Rattlesnake http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/868-rattlesnake-by-eric-model-shipways-164-sport29652/page-2 Sitting on the shelf : MS Constitution, MS Sultana, Wish List : MS Essex, Confederacy, and Syren, and a Victory kit by someone ? "80% of the time it works every time." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sport29652 Posted August 26, 2013 Author Share #90 Posted August 26, 2013 Upper rat lines started! should be a week more of knot after knot.... Some of my yard arms are ready to instal. I feel so close to the end but so far lots more to do. If the plans were clearer I could have saved countless hours. With this kit you have to look at every picture and plan. So many blocks are omitted in the plans and are shown in the pictures. I'm still confused as to the rigging that attaches to the blocks/attachment thingy at the junctions of the masts (I know great description maybe ill take a pic to get some help). Anyways talk to u guys later Only four more to go ! Quote Eric Current build(s) ; AL San Francisco II http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/862-san-francisco-2-by-eric-al-190-sport29652/ MS Rattlesnake http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/868-rattlesnake-by-eric-model-shipways-164-sport29652/page-2 Sitting on the shelf : MS Constitution, MS Sultana, Wish List : MS Essex, Confederacy, and Syren, and a Victory kit by someone ? "80% of the time it works every time." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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