mattsayers148 Posted August 11, 2015 #211 Posted August 11, 2015 I hope my mast work turns out that nice! mrangus and GLakie 2 Quote Matt - aka The Squirrel Whisperer Current builds - Benjamin W. Latham by Matt Competed builds - USS Ranger by Matt HMS Bounty Launch by Matt 18th Century 10" Sea Mortar by Matt 18th Century Naval Smoothbore by Matt Future builds - Willie L. Bennett Chesapeake Bay skipjack (MS) Half Moon (Corel) Emma C Berry Lobster Smack (MS)US Brigantine Eagle (Corel) New Bedford Whaleboat (MS)
mrangus Posted August 12, 2015 Author #212 Posted August 12, 2015 Ha thanks Matt. I do have the bug, but have gotten caught up with work/family things this week and haven't had much time. Hopefully this weekend.... GLakie and mattsayers148 2 Quote
mrangus Posted August 13, 2015 Author #213 Posted August 13, 2015 I had a half hour tonight... and for some reason the crosstrees fell into place very well - my cuts were measured pretty well this time. So the masts are together. I raised the masts but haven't fixed them yet. I needed to see what they look like. Several more pieces to go on the masts before secured to the ship. One question. I know that some ships have lots of rings on the masts. I don't understand what they are or their purpose. Any ideas? Should I do this for the ship? It doesn't appear to be part of the standard build (but what has been?) Very exciting to be on the cusp of rigging! I honestly never thought I'd get to this point on this ship. A few pics: mattsayers148, GuntherMT, dgbot and 2 others 5 Quote
GLakie Posted August 13, 2015 #214 Posted August 13, 2015 (edited) Your cross trees turned out great Robb. This ship does have the mast-hoops, and about 9 or 10 on each mast. Here's a hi-res pic that you can use for reference, and another showing "with sails" so you can see how they're used. Edited August 13, 2015 by GLakie mrangus, Jack12477, mattsayers148 and 1 other 4 Quote GEORGE Don't be bound by the limits of what you already know, be unlimited by what you are willing to learn. Member of the Nautical Research Guild
GuntherMT Posted August 13, 2015 #215 Posted August 13, 2015 (edited) They are called 'mast hoops', and like George posted, they should be on this ship it seems. The hoops are what allowed the fore and aft rigged sails to move up and down the mast when the gaff was raised or lowered. The sails are attached to the hoops which slide along the mast. Edit: Here is a shot from the stern of the Pride of Baltimore II, showing how the rings work quite nicely. The forward mast has the sail furled against the mast with the gaff remaining raised, so you can see how the hoops are spaced along the mast attached to the sail, while the closer mast has the gaff lowered to the boom, and you can see all the hoops stacked up between them. Edited August 13, 2015 by GuntherMT GLakie, mattsayers148, Jack12477 and 1 other 4 Quote Brian Mystery project coming soon! Current build - Medway Longboat Complete - Armed Virginia Sloop Complete - Carmen (First Build)
mrangus Posted August 17, 2015 Author #216 Posted August 17, 2015 A little confused... I've been studying the rigging in detail and am coming across some basic gaps in knowledge. Not sure the best way to secure the blocks to the eyebolts as well as directly to the masts. The diagrams don't provide details and I'm struggling to find good examples of how this is done. I understand how to seize the lines once on the block (kind of like what I did with my lower deadeyes) but not too sure about how to actually secure the blocks. Any suggestions or examples would be welcomed. Regarding the masthoops - thanks George and Brian, very helpful input. I tried something over this weekend - I got some reeds from the local marsh, which have the same diameter, and are wood-like. The issue I had when I tried cutting is that the wood is very brittle and would break easy. I got a few cut but may have to take another path - perhaps trying cane as one poster suggested. mattsayers148 and GLakie 2 Quote
GuntherMT Posted August 17, 2015 #217 Posted August 17, 2015 If nobody gives a good answer I'll try to take some pictures and make a little tutorial type post when I get home tonight, as I am posted from my phone at work. What I do is to make an 'S' out of a short piece of rope. Thread the eyebolt into one of the loops of the S and then seize it, making sure to capture all three legs of the S. This will give you a eyebolt that is seized to a loop. Pull the seizing up as tight as you want against the eyebolt. Now take your block and place it into the loop, grab the loose line that is seized with the eyebolt, and pull it through the seizing to tighten the loop and secure the block. Finish by securing everything with diluted white glue, or CA if you prefere, and trim the loose ends of the rope and thread. GLakie and mattsayers148 2 Quote Brian Mystery project coming soon! Current build - Medway Longboat Complete - Armed Virginia Sloop Complete - Carmen (First Build)
mattsayers148 Posted August 17, 2015 #218 Posted August 17, 2015 (edited) This particular video may not be what helps, but this guy has many videos on different ways to rig. If you watch this video it should link you up with the rest of his videos. I know for me, seeing someone is the easiest way to learn. I would imagine that somewhere on YouTube you'll find what you need. If I find something else I'll post it for you. What I did, which may not be accurate at all, is to first thread the eyebolt like a needle and tie one knot with the eyelet in the middle. Then seize the block as you do, just keep the eyelet centered on the opposite end. Glue like GuntherMT said. I believe the YouTube guy does like GuntherMT said, but he was attaching to the mast which could be modified to the eyelet instead. Hope that helps. This one may help also, just make the hook an eyelet... Edited August 17, 2015 by matt.s.s. Jack12477 and GLakie 2 Quote Matt - aka The Squirrel Whisperer Current builds - Benjamin W. Latham by Matt Competed builds - USS Ranger by Matt HMS Bounty Launch by Matt 18th Century 10" Sea Mortar by Matt 18th Century Naval Smoothbore by Matt Future builds - Willie L. Bennett Chesapeake Bay skipjack (MS) Half Moon (Corel) Emma C Berry Lobster Smack (MS)US Brigantine Eagle (Corel) New Bedford Whaleboat (MS)
GLakie Posted August 17, 2015 #219 Posted August 17, 2015 Blocks have different uses and different ways they're secured and specific to different time-periods. If those plans are incomplete or lacking detail, you can take a look here for rigging blocks. http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/16-masting-rigging-and-sails/ Just scroll down through the categories and find the right application about blocks. On the first page is one about attaching blocks to spars. Hope that helps some. Jack12477 and mattsayers148 2 Quote GEORGE Don't be bound by the limits of what you already know, be unlimited by what you are willing to learn. Member of the Nautical Research Guild
dgbot Posted August 17, 2015 #220 Posted August 17, 2015 Matt I have made hoops from shaving made with a plane. XJ beings are then soaked in water and I use PVA glue on them wrap them around brass tubing with some plastic wrap when I get into Olay cut out the desired size I need a little light sanding paint it goes over the math if you wish I could find some picture for you the best wood to use the Apple or pair of very flexible you're doing a great job. David B GLakie, mattsayers148 and mrangus 3 Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/
mrangus Posted August 18, 2015 Author #221 Posted August 18, 2015 Thank you gents - the videos were very helpful, it paints a clear picture. I used the general method that I used on the deadeye chainplates with Brian's input to clarify above. Here's my first - what do you think? Took a while to get it right... mattsayers148, dgbot, JesseLee and 3 others 6 Quote
dgbot Posted August 18, 2015 #222 Posted August 18, 2015 Nice and crisp. David B mrangus, GLakie and mattsayers148 3 Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/
mattsayers148 Posted August 18, 2015 #223 Posted August 18, 2015 Looks great! mrangus and GLakie 2 Quote Matt - aka The Squirrel Whisperer Current builds - Benjamin W. Latham by Matt Competed builds - USS Ranger by Matt HMS Bounty Launch by Matt 18th Century 10" Sea Mortar by Matt 18th Century Naval Smoothbore by Matt Future builds - Willie L. Bennett Chesapeake Bay skipjack (MS) Half Moon (Corel) Emma C Berry Lobster Smack (MS)US Brigantine Eagle (Corel) New Bedford Whaleboat (MS)
GuntherMT Posted August 18, 2015 #224 Posted August 18, 2015 (edited) Looks good to me! Also, in case it was unclear at all, any time I have to seize a block to an eye-bolt, I do it off the ship using a vise or helping hand, and then once it's done, attach the eye-bolt to the model. Much easier. Edited August 18, 2015 by GuntherMT GLakie and mrangus 2 Quote Brian Mystery project coming soon! Current build - Medway Longboat Complete - Armed Virginia Sloop Complete - Carmen (First Build)
mrangus Posted August 18, 2015 Author #225 Posted August 18, 2015 David your post made me laugh - I get the message and plan on trying with my mini-planer and some pear wood I have - but I love how your text turned out assumedly with auto-complete on... btw my name is Robb.... thanks for the compliments and suggestions, like everyone else so much better than I am at this hobby... GLakie and mattsayers148 2 Quote
mrangus Posted August 19, 2015 Author #226 Posted August 19, 2015 Ok gents you encouraged me enough that my process works. I built a mini-jig to do this rigging and it works great. I took your suggestion Brian to take the eyebolts out (I hadn't glued them in yet) and works well enough - I have to keep drilling new holes so the eyebolt will stay in place. Now I have to figure out how to seize/tie the blocks to the mast directly. I like the look of when the rope goes around the mast twice. I will experiment... Here's my progress... mattsayers148, UpstateNY, GuntherMT and 2 others 5 Quote
mrangus Posted August 20, 2015 Author #227 Posted August 20, 2015 I thought seizing the blocks to the eye bolts was challenging.... it took me an hour to get the first block onto the mast. Two false starts before I got the seizing worked out well enough. Getting the block into the loop was much more difficult until I used a clothespin to hold the block steady. Then it was easy! I have a question on the plan. What does the 01 (the '0' has a slash through it) refer to? I don't get it. I took a pic to reference what I am speaking about. GLakie and mattsayers148 2 Quote
GLakie Posted August 20, 2015 #228 Posted August 20, 2015 The blocks are looking good. That's a tough one Robb. Is there any kind of an index or glossary someplace on the plans or instructions, that explains odd symbols? Might have to wait for one of the other guys to chime in. Jesse probably knows since he's built this one before. mattsayers148 and mrangus 2 Quote GEORGE Don't be bound by the limits of what you already know, be unlimited by what you are willing to learn. Member of the Nautical Research Guild
mattsayers148 Posted August 20, 2015 #229 Posted August 20, 2015 On my build the O with the slash refers to diameter. So my guess would be that it's a 1mm hole. I may be wrong so don't drill a hole till you get another opinion. GLakie and mrangus 2 Quote Matt - aka The Squirrel Whisperer Current builds - Benjamin W. Latham by Matt Competed builds - USS Ranger by Matt HMS Bounty Launch by Matt 18th Century 10" Sea Mortar by Matt 18th Century Naval Smoothbore by Matt Future builds - Willie L. Bennett Chesapeake Bay skipjack (MS) Half Moon (Corel) Emma C Berry Lobster Smack (MS)US Brigantine Eagle (Corel) New Bedford Whaleboat (MS)
GuntherMT Posted August 20, 2015 #230 Posted August 20, 2015 It looks like it's pointing to a sheave in the mast, so if it's like my model, they show the sheave, but then say to just drill a hole for it rather than actually putting a sheave in. Just guessing though. mattsayers148, GLakie and mrangus 3 Quote Brian Mystery project coming soon! Current build - Medway Longboat Complete - Armed Virginia Sloop Complete - Carmen (First Build)
Jack12477 Posted August 20, 2015 #231 Posted August 20, 2015 On my build the O with the slash refers to diameter. So my guess would be that it's a 1mm hole. I agree. All of my Artesania Latina plans and parts lists are annotated that way GLakie, mrangus and mattsayers148 3 Quote Jack "No one is as smart as all of us" - Is ón cheann a thagann an cheird The craft comes from the head --------------------------------------------- Current build: US Constellation Non-ship builds: USCG UH-65A Dolphin M16 Multi-gun motor carriage diorama M4A3 Sherman Tanks dioramas 1936-1939 Mercedes Benz 540K 1934 Rolls-Royce Phantom II JSDF Light Armor Vehicle Figures: The Last Bridge: Raider Reaper Edge of Universe: Ianis The Last Bridge: Vadim with cart Completed build log(s): 18th Century Longboat , Marie Jeanne, Willie L Bennett 1888 50 ft Gaff-rigged Ice Yacht Scratch Build The Sullivans (DD 537) Liberty Ship SS John W Brown USS England (DE 635), Artesania Latina Titanic Lifeboat Gallery: Swift , Armed Virginia Sloop, Santisima Trinidad Captain's Launch , 18th Century Longboat , Marie Jeanne Other: Rhinebeck Aerodrome Tour
JesseLee Posted August 20, 2015 #232 Posted August 20, 2015 Yes, it is a hole drilled through the mast that a rigging line will feed through later. The instructions don't explain this at all. It took me a long time to figure it out myself. mattsayers148, GLakie and mrangus 3 Quote Current build: Syren : Kit- Model Shipways Side project: HMS Bounty - Revel -(plastic) On hold: Pre-owned, unfinished Mayflower (wood) Past builds: Scottish Maid - AL- 1:50, USS North Carolina Battleship -1/350 (plastic), Andromede - Dikar (wood), Yatch Atlantic - 14" (wood), Pirate Ship - 1:72 (plastic), Custom built wood Brig from scratch - ?(3/4" =1'), 4 small scratch builds (wood), Vietnamese fishing boat (wood) & a Ship in a bottle
mrangus Posted August 21, 2015 Author #233 Posted August 21, 2015 Super gents. Jesse I looked very carefully at your mast pics and found one that looks like there's two holes in the top mast portion... so if I'm going to simulate the sheave should I actually drill 2 small holes and file a bit for the indent? I think I'll give that a go... One question/thought on rigging - I've been using some super thin CA glue once everything is tied up but it makes the fixing really hard and "freezes" it instantly. Thoughts on how to do this better? I tried some of the rigging glue from ME but I found it to be a bit too goopy. mattsayers148 and GLakie 2 Quote
mattsayers148 Posted August 21, 2015 #234 Posted August 21, 2015 Hey Robb, here's a way to go easy on the CA. I take an empty prescription bottle, flip it over and put a few drops of CA into the indentation. Next can be done many ways, I use a sewing needle and dip the eye in the CA. Experiment with different size needles as the CA fills the eye. Then quickly dab the spot you want. The eye plugs up after awhile but you can just scrape it off. Hope that helps. GLakie, mrangus and UpstateNY 3 Quote Matt - aka The Squirrel Whisperer Current builds - Benjamin W. Latham by Matt Competed builds - USS Ranger by Matt HMS Bounty Launch by Matt 18th Century 10" Sea Mortar by Matt 18th Century Naval Smoothbore by Matt Future builds - Willie L. Bennett Chesapeake Bay skipjack (MS) Half Moon (Corel) Emma C Berry Lobster Smack (MS)US Brigantine Eagle (Corel) New Bedford Whaleboat (MS)
mrangus Posted August 22, 2015 Author #235 Posted August 22, 2015 Great idea Matt I will try that. Thanks! I'm getting better at seizing the lines. I think I have the routine down pretty good now - latest block came out good. I also did my best to create sheaves on the top foremast - two holes and a little bit of careful filing. I may work on it a bit more to strengthen the lines, but the mast is tiny - 4mm at its widest and 2 mm at its smallest. With the rope going through I'm hoping it will look good enough. JesseLee, GLakie and mattsayers148 3 Quote
mattsayers148 Posted August 22, 2015 #236 Posted August 22, 2015 Looking great Robb. I'm also in the process of mast making, woohoo! I have absolutely no idea how to rig a ship and my Italian plans are of scattered help, so I have some studying to do. mrangus and GLakie 2 Quote Matt - aka The Squirrel Whisperer Current builds - Benjamin W. Latham by Matt Competed builds - USS Ranger by Matt HMS Bounty Launch by Matt 18th Century 10" Sea Mortar by Matt 18th Century Naval Smoothbore by Matt Future builds - Willie L. Bennett Chesapeake Bay skipjack (MS) Half Moon (Corel) Emma C Berry Lobster Smack (MS)US Brigantine Eagle (Corel) New Bedford Whaleboat (MS)
mrangus Posted August 23, 2015 Author #237 Posted August 23, 2015 THanks Matt! One suggestion - I reviewed Chuck Passaro's practicum on the Phantom and his approach to rigging makes a lot of sense. The overview helps de-mystify the rigging process and breaks the process down to practical milestones. I think it will help you - it certainly helped me. I've gotten pretty good now at seizing lines to tie up blocks. It makes sense to me now. Last night I spent some time on the foremast and looking great, especially the blocks rigged to the mast. And then I looked again - I rigged them to the wrong mast pole. aaarrrrggghhhh.... GLakie and mattsayers148 2 Quote
JesseLee Posted August 23, 2015 #238 Posted August 23, 2015 I did the same thing! mattsayers148, mrangus and GLakie 3 Quote Current build: Syren : Kit- Model Shipways Side project: HMS Bounty - Revel -(plastic) On hold: Pre-owned, unfinished Mayflower (wood) Past builds: Scottish Maid - AL- 1:50, USS North Carolina Battleship -1/350 (plastic), Andromede - Dikar (wood), Yatch Atlantic - 14" (wood), Pirate Ship - 1:72 (plastic), Custom built wood Brig from scratch - ?(3/4" =1'), 4 small scratch builds (wood), Vietnamese fishing boat (wood) & a Ship in a bottle
mrangus Posted August 24, 2015 Author #239 Posted August 24, 2015 It was painful to cut them off but it had to be done. I got one of the blocks fixed tonight but had to call it an early evening...hopefully more this week. Jack12477, mattsayers148 and GLakie 3 Quote
GLakie Posted August 24, 2015 #240 Posted August 24, 2015 It's a bummer Robb, but I guess it's all part of the process. The bright side is you're getting plenty of extra practice. Jack12477, mattsayers148, mrangus and 1 other 4 Quote GEORGE Don't be bound by the limits of what you already know, be unlimited by what you are willing to learn. Member of the Nautical Research Guild
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