GLakie Posted September 3, 2015 Share #271 Posted September 3, 2015 That was some good "out-of-the-box" thinking in making the rings Robb. I think cleats or bolts would depend on whether or not the lines being attached to them are "tarred" standing rigging, or running rigging. Cleats would be for the running or working lines. Bolts would be for standing rigging or a place where a hook would go, like for train-tackle on the cannon carriages. mrangus and mattsayers148 2 Quote GEORGE Don't be bound by the limits of what you already know, be unlimited by what you are willing to learn. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrangus Posted September 3, 2015 Author Share #272 Posted September 3, 2015 Got it - thanks George! GLakie and mattsayers148 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrangus Posted September 6, 2015 Author Share #273 Posted September 6, 2015 Started on the rigging - worked on the bowsprit first. I did the chain first, and then created the blocks for the bowsprit stays that are attached to the hull just below the catheads. Don't have a clear understanding yet how it works but I'll cheat and look at other builds (i.e. Jesse's). Creating the seizing for the deadeye at the end of the chain was interesting. I created a lovely seizing (below) and then realized I had to move it down to wrap the end of the lanyard. It didn't come out the way I hoped but I think it looks ok. I added some quick dry CA and got a pretty good simulation of the bend of the rope and lanyard due to the chain weight. I think I'll leave as-is. mattsayers148, UpstateNY, GLakie and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattsayers148 Posted September 6, 2015 Share #274 Posted September 6, 2015 Looking awesome Robb! mrangus and GLakie 2 Quote Matt - aka The Squirrel Whisperer Current builds - Benjamin W. Latham by Matt Competed builds - USS Ranger by Matt HMS Bounty Launch by Matt 18th Century 10" Sea Mortar by Matt 18th Century Naval Smoothbore by Matt Future builds - Willie L. Bennett Chesapeake Bay skipjack (MS) Half Moon (Corel) Emma C Berry Lobster Smack (MS)US Brigantine Eagle (Corel) New Bedford Whaleboat (MS) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrangus Posted September 14, 2015 Author Share #275 Posted September 14, 2015 Rigging is challenging. Especially when you don't know what you're doing. I've taken many back/forward steps this week though I haven't had much time to work on the ship. But it's been lesson learned after lesson learned.... I splurged for Chuck's serving machine. The device is great - it's amazing how quickly a rope can be served and looking good. Much less intimidating now to serve all the ends of the lines etc and comes out looking real nice. The challenge I ran into was seizing lines that were served. It's a bit trickier because the seizing line doesn't slide up/down the rope being seized very nicely. It's like trying to move a string over a screw. After several agonizingly frustrating tries to seize the bowsprit rigging line, I got it. The rest of the rigging went a little easier, just tricky working with such fine lines. I had put cleats in the ship to tie down the running lines, and ran through the blocks, looked pretty good! I had made one error on the starboard side, where I forgot to tie the running line to the block - but I found a workaround... I tied a knot in the running line and threaded it through the lower sheave hole on the block. But then I took a picture looking at the bow of the boat and realized that portside used the wrong anchor block attached to the boat. So.... after all that work... I cut it all off and started over. Rigging is challenging. mattsayers148 and GLakie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrangus Posted September 14, 2015 Author Share #276 Posted September 14, 2015 And here we are with rigging fixed. That cost me about 2 1/2 hours.... One question/thought on the anchor setup. In the model instructions, the picture of the anchor up has the anchor ring tied to the double block used for hoisting. It doen't make sense. Wouldn't some kind of hook be used to get the anchor once coming out of the water after hoisted up? What does that look like? mattsayers148, UpstateNY, GuntherMT and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLakie Posted September 14, 2015 Share #277 Posted September 14, 2015 Rigging is one of the most challenging things to do on these from what I've been seeing. When I was young I rigged 3 plastic ships and didn't care about serving and seizing lines, but having said that, I still found taking my time, and doing sometimes just one line at a time, reduced my frustration levels. Spent 6 months just rigging the Cutty, but it ended up still looking pretty nice, considering I didn't really know what the heck I was doing. mattsayers148 and Jack12477 2 Quote GEORGE Don't be bound by the limits of what you already know, be unlimited by what you are willing to learn. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattsayers148 Posted September 14, 2015 Share #278 Posted September 14, 2015 Exciting times Robb! I've been getting a little practice with rigging my cannons, but my day will come. I'll be glued to your build, cheering you on. Looks like your off to a great start and looking great! GLakie and Jack12477 2 Quote Matt - aka The Squirrel Whisperer Current builds - Benjamin W. Latham by Matt Competed builds - USS Ranger by Matt HMS Bounty Launch by Matt 18th Century 10" Sea Mortar by Matt 18th Century Naval Smoothbore by Matt Future builds - Willie L. Bennett Chesapeake Bay skipjack (MS) Half Moon (Corel) Emma C Berry Lobster Smack (MS)US Brigantine Eagle (Corel) New Bedford Whaleboat (MS) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrangus Posted September 14, 2015 Author Share #279 Posted September 14, 2015 Thanks George and Matt for the comments. George - I agree rigging can be very challenging - but I found second time I did everything, it all made a little more sense. And I got the work done a lot quicker. Matt, I'm sure you will exceed your expectations if your work thus far is any indication of how the rigging will turn out. Jesse - if you're reading this, there's one picture (on the 20th page of your blog) that helped me understand clearly how the bowsprit was rigged. Thanks! One question for you - did it bother you that the double block (used to hoist the anchor) was tied to the anchor ring? It makes no sense to me - I would think it would be hooked onto the anchor in some fashion. otherwise when the anchor is dropped, the lines have to come out of the block... I don't get it. GLakie, Jack12477 and mattsayers148 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesseLee Posted September 15, 2015 Share #280 Posted September 15, 2015 This was one of the many things about this kit & its instructions that I wasn't sure about. I often wondered as I did this build just how much of it was wrong. I should have stopped & asked more questions I guess. I wonder if maybe there should be a hook involved here? No one said anything about it when I posted the pictures. Jack12477, mattsayers148, mrangus and 1 other 4 Quote Current build: Syren : Kit- Model Shipways Side project: HMS Bounty - Revel -(plastic) On hold: Pre-owned, unfinished Mayflower (wood) Past builds: Scottish Maid - AL- 1:50, USS North Carolina Battleship -1/350 (plastic), Andromede - Dikar (wood), Yatch Atlantic - 14" (wood), Pirate Ship - 1:72 (plastic), Custom built wood Brig from scratch - ?(3/4" =1'), 4 small scratch builds (wood), Vietnamese fishing boat (wood) & a Ship in a bottle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrangus Posted September 17, 2015 Author Share #281 Posted September 17, 2015 Thanks Jesse. Well I wrapped the Anchor ring like you did with rope and like the look. I also plugged a hook into the double anchor - I found a few pics online that showed examples. Should have pics in the next few days. GLakie, mattsayers148 and JesseLee 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrangus Posted September 20, 2015 Author Share #282 Posted September 20, 2015 Here's the anchor in place. I put a cleat on the deck for tying down the anchor as opposed to having a ring. Also put the hook into the double block which looks more realistic than it tied to the anchor. GLakie, UpstateNY, GuntherMT and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattsayers148 Posted September 20, 2015 Share #283 Posted September 20, 2015 Excellent work Robb! I love the way the hook looks. GLakie, JesseLee and mrangus 3 Quote Matt - aka The Squirrel Whisperer Current builds - Benjamin W. Latham by Matt Competed builds - USS Ranger by Matt HMS Bounty Launch by Matt 18th Century 10" Sea Mortar by Matt 18th Century Naval Smoothbore by Matt Future builds - Willie L. Bennett Chesapeake Bay skipjack (MS) Half Moon (Corel) Emma C Berry Lobster Smack (MS)US Brigantine Eagle (Corel) New Bedford Whaleboat (MS) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesseLee Posted September 20, 2015 Share #284 Posted September 20, 2015 (edited) That looks better Robb. I went & looked at mine when you asked about that & to my shock my port side anchor is missing! It came off the ring somehow. When I get/make a new anchor I will probably re-do mine like you just did. Jeese Edited September 20, 2015 by JesseLee mattsayers148, GLakie and mrangus 3 Quote Current build: Syren : Kit- Model Shipways Side project: HMS Bounty - Revel -(plastic) On hold: Pre-owned, unfinished Mayflower (wood) Past builds: Scottish Maid - AL- 1:50, USS North Carolina Battleship -1/350 (plastic), Andromede - Dikar (wood), Yatch Atlantic - 14" (wood), Pirate Ship - 1:72 (plastic), Custom built wood Brig from scratch - ?(3/4" =1'), 4 small scratch builds (wood), Vietnamese fishing boat (wood) & a Ship in a bottle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrangus Posted September 20, 2015 Author Share #285 Posted September 20, 2015 Thanks Matt and Jesse. Jesse glad I could give something back, I'd be lost without your blog. mattsayers148, JesseLee and GLakie 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrangus Posted October 5, 2015 Author Share #286 Posted October 5, 2015 Well I've been away and busy with work... also a bit of bad news, we had to put Angus down last weekend, he was 12 1/2 and a good dog but it was time. I started up again on the rigging, and of course ran into problems. Rigging is definitely a test of patience. I've finished the anchors and started on the bowsprit rigging.... dgbot, tasmanian, Jack12477 and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack12477 Posted October 5, 2015 Share #287 Posted October 5, 2015 Robb, sorry to hear about the loss of your dog. I've lost a few myself. They are family. mattsayers148, GLakie and dgbot 3 Quote Jack "No one is as smart as all of us" - Is ón cheann a thagann an cheird The craft comes from the head --------------------------------------------- Current build: US Constellation Non-ship builds: USCG UH-65A Dolphin M16 Multi-gun motor carriage diorama M4A3 Sherman Tanks dioramas 1936-1939 Mercedes Benz 540K 1934 Rolls-Royce Phantom II JSDF Light Armor Vehicle Figures: The Last Bridge: Raider Reaper Edge of Universe: Ianis The Last Bridge: Vadim with cart Completed build log(s): 18th Century Longboat , Marie Jeanne, Willie L Bennett 1888 50 ft Gaff-rigged Ice Yacht Scratch Build The Sullivans (DD 537) Liberty Ship SS John W Brown USS England (DE 635), Artesania Latina Titanic Lifeboat Gallery: Swift , Armed Virginia Sloop, Santisima Trinidad Captain's Launch , 18th Century Longboat , Marie Jeanne Other: Rhinebeck Aerodrome Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesseLee Posted October 5, 2015 Share #288 Posted October 5, 2015 Sorry about Angus. I too have lost a few. No better friend than a man dog. Jack12477, mattsayers148 and GLakie 3 Quote Current build: Syren : Kit- Model Shipways Side project: HMS Bounty - Revel -(plastic) On hold: Pre-owned, unfinished Mayflower (wood) Past builds: Scottish Maid - AL- 1:50, USS North Carolina Battleship -1/350 (plastic), Andromede - Dikar (wood), Yatch Atlantic - 14" (wood), Pirate Ship - 1:72 (plastic), Custom built wood Brig from scratch - ?(3/4" =1'), 4 small scratch builds (wood), Vietnamese fishing boat (wood) & a Ship in a bottle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLakie Posted October 5, 2015 Share #289 Posted October 5, 2015 Sorry to hear about Angus Robb. I think most of us have all been there one time or another. Just like losing a member of the family, it's never easy. Jack12477, JesseLee and mattsayers148 3 Quote GEORGE Don't be bound by the limits of what you already know, be unlimited by what you are willing to learn. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrangus Posted October 6, 2015 Author Share #290 Posted October 6, 2015 Thanks all for your kind words. He was my first dog so it was special. I hope to get back in the swing of the model soon - I ran out of rigging rope and had to order more. mattsayers148 and GLakie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattsayers148 Posted October 6, 2015 Share #291 Posted October 6, 2015 Excellent start on the rigging Robb. Sorry for your loss of Angus. I hope the 12 1/2 years of joy helps you get through this sad time. GLakie, mrangus and JesseLee 3 Quote Matt - aka The Squirrel Whisperer Current builds - Benjamin W. Latham by Matt Competed builds - USS Ranger by Matt HMS Bounty Launch by Matt 18th Century 10" Sea Mortar by Matt 18th Century Naval Smoothbore by Matt Future builds - Willie L. Bennett Chesapeake Bay skipjack (MS) Half Moon (Corel) Emma C Berry Lobster Smack (MS)US Brigantine Eagle (Corel) New Bedford Whaleboat (MS) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrangus Posted October 23, 2015 Author Share #292 Posted October 23, 2015 I haven't worked much on the boat these days - last few days I began prepping and serving the shroud lines. I got Chuck's server tool which works great and saves a ton of time - still takes time though! I'm serving the outer lines all the way down to the deadeye as well. Stay tuned for pics should get them up this weekend. Matt - thanks for your thoughts. Very kind. GLakie and mattsayers148 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrangus Posted October 29, 2015 Author Share #293 Posted October 29, 2015 Started on the shrouds, serving and seizing to the mainmast. dgbot, UpstateNY, mattsayers148 and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattsayers148 Posted October 29, 2015 Share #294 Posted October 29, 2015 Way to go Robb! Your serving looks great! GLakie and mrangus 2 Quote Matt - aka The Squirrel Whisperer Current builds - Benjamin W. Latham by Matt Competed builds - USS Ranger by Matt HMS Bounty Launch by Matt 18th Century 10" Sea Mortar by Matt 18th Century Naval Smoothbore by Matt Future builds - Willie L. Bennett Chesapeake Bay skipjack (MS) Half Moon (Corel) Emma C Berry Lobster Smack (MS)US Brigantine Eagle (Corel) New Bedford Whaleboat (MS) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesseLee Posted October 29, 2015 Share #295 Posted October 29, 2015 Yes it does! mrangus, GLakie and mattsayers148 3 Quote Current build: Syren : Kit- Model Shipways Side project: HMS Bounty - Revel -(plastic) On hold: Pre-owned, unfinished Mayflower (wood) Past builds: Scottish Maid - AL- 1:50, USS North Carolina Battleship -1/350 (plastic), Andromede - Dikar (wood), Yatch Atlantic - 14" (wood), Pirate Ship - 1:72 (plastic), Custom built wood Brig from scratch - ?(3/4" =1'), 4 small scratch builds (wood), Vietnamese fishing boat (wood) & a Ship in a bottle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrangus Posted October 29, 2015 Author Share #296 Posted October 29, 2015 Thanks guys. Jesse I can't believe you did your serving by hand. You must have great patience. I got chucks server tool and it still takes forever. Plus it stinks when you screw up. (I got measuring wrong on first served line). GLakie and mattsayers148 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesseLee Posted October 29, 2015 Share #297 Posted October 29, 2015 I don't know if it's patience or insanity........ mattsayers148, mrangus, dgbot and 1 other 4 Quote Current build: Syren : Kit- Model Shipways Side project: HMS Bounty - Revel -(plastic) On hold: Pre-owned, unfinished Mayflower (wood) Past builds: Scottish Maid - AL- 1:50, USS North Carolina Battleship -1/350 (plastic), Andromede - Dikar (wood), Yatch Atlantic - 14" (wood), Pirate Ship - 1:72 (plastic), Custom built wood Brig from scratch - ?(3/4" =1'), 4 small scratch builds (wood), Vietnamese fishing boat (wood) & a Ship in a bottle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrangus Posted October 30, 2015 Author Share #298 Posted October 30, 2015 A little bit more done, a few more pics. GLakie, JesseLee, GuntherMT and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLakie Posted October 30, 2015 Share #299 Posted October 30, 2015 Your served lines look great Robb. Definitely worth the effort I think. mrangus, mattsayers148 and JesseLee 3 Quote GEORGE Don't be bound by the limits of what you already know, be unlimited by what you are willing to learn. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrangus Posted October 31, 2015 Author Share #300 Posted October 31, 2015 Ready for the lanyards. How are they started? tie a knot in the rope and start threading? One of the shroud lines came up a little short. Will have to do as I don't feel it's worth the effort to take the served line off and re-do, that's a lot of work and might screw up the rest of the lines. GLakie, mattsayers148, UpstateNY and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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