jastrząb Posted August 28, 2013 Share #1 Posted August 28, 2013 Hello, In parallel with Santa Maria, I'd like to start another topic. It will be a very slow progress. First of all I will need your help (I know I can rely on you). This model I'd like to do with a great care and accuracy. Before I do anything I'm not sure of, I will be torturing you with questions My first question is : what's your opinion on coppering the hull? And some photos of the stern (I have modified one part - I couldn't resist) NAZGÛL 1 Quote Paweł Current build: HMS Pandora: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/3409-hms-pandora-by-jastrz%C4%85b-constructo-185/ Finished projects: Roar Ege 1:25, Billing Boats Albatros 1:55, Constructo Santa Maria 1:50, Mantua Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jastrząb Posted August 28, 2013 Author Share #2 Posted August 28, 2013 The first set of pics. I found one mistake. Look at the Union Jack Flag. HMS Pandora comes from 1779, so..... Maybe I'm wrong. I need your opinion in this building log. A shop-assistant told me that constructo don't build HMS Pandora any more. Does anyone know why? AND ANOTHER QUESTION about the treenails. The kit is 1:85 scale. Is it ok to put 0.6mm treenails. Won't it be too large? Regards, Paweł Bill Morrison 1 Quote Paweł Current build: HMS Pandora: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/3409-hms-pandora-by-jastrz%C4%85b-constructo-185/ Finished projects: Roar Ege 1:25, Billing Boats Albatros 1:55, Constructo Santa Maria 1:50, Mantua Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jastrząb Posted August 29, 2013 Author Share #3 Posted August 29, 2013 Hello Friends, Could you help me with my questions about coppering and the diameter of the treenails, please? If you have any ideas/ information about HMS Pandora, let me know. I'm searching for her in the Internet but anything about her is welcomed bsoper and NAZGÛL 2 Quote Paweł Current build: HMS Pandora: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/3409-hms-pandora-by-jastrz%C4%85b-constructo-185/ Finished projects: Roar Ege 1:25, Billing Boats Albatros 1:55, Constructo Santa Maria 1:50, Mantua Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted August 29, 2013 Share #4 Posted August 29, 2013 Michael (member md1400cs) is good for questions about the nails. He have nails on his Vasa ship, and it looks really nice. I had a hard time to decide to use nails or not, but in the end I decided not to use them, as I dont think I could get the look right. You can also consider to use flat colors, or add a coat of flat varnish on top of that stern (that looks really nice btw!). For me its easyer to get it to to look used and vibrant with flat colors. Again its more a question about aesthetics and what look you like. But if you look at Lawrences (member canoe) build it looks really nice in gloss paint! So you can go either way. Looking forward to see progress of this! /Matti Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Ensign Posted August 29, 2013 Share #5 Posted August 29, 2013 Hello Pawel, i wish you luck with your new project. As far as coppering is concerned it is of course largely down to personal choice, but Pandora was first coppered in May 1779 and was re- sheathed in1789, presumably before her mission to recover the Bounty Mutineeers. Treenails are a tricky one, they would be very small indeed at 1:85 scale, in fact they are barely visible at 1:1 scale, but again it is a matter of choice whether to go down that route. Personally I wouldn't bother at scales less than 1:48. I don't know if you can get it but the AotS series book The 24 gun Frigate Pandora by John McKay and Ron Coleman, originally published by Conway maritime Press, may be of help to you. (ISBN 0 85177 894 1) B.E. Quote Current Build: Medway-longboat-1742-by-blue-ensign-½”-scale Completed builds: HMS Indefatigable-1794-by-blue-ensign-vanguard-models-1:64-scale HMS Sphinx 1775 by Blue Ensign. 1:64 scale - Vanguard Models Queen-Anne-Royal-Barge-circa-1700-by-Blue-Ensign Fifie fishing boat Lady Eleanor Muirneag-1903-–-a-scottish-zulu-fishing-boat-164-scale-based-on-the-vanguard-models-zulu-kit/ HM Cutter Alert 1777 HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 18th-century-English-longboat-by-Blue-Ensign-ms-148-scale/ 18thc English Pinnace by Blue Ensign-Model-Shipways-1:24 scale/ HMS-Pegasus-by-Blue-Ensign-finished-Victory-Models-1:64-scale/ Heller Seventy-four 1:150 scale - modified Le Superbe/Le Glorieux kit after Boudriot, waterline setting with sails. The schooner Pickle, Jotika pob kit 1:64 scale, my interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted August 29, 2013 Share #6 Posted August 29, 2013 Ah, treenails... Sorry I read nails. Sorry, its been a long day. Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Posted August 29, 2013 Share #7 Posted August 29, 2013 Hi tree nails at this scale would need to be so small you most likley would not see them, I think any scale above 1/48 are better of without them I have scale planked my Diana deck and at 1/64 the planks are very narrow, coppering the bottom would be the right choice, but at the end of the day its the builders choice. Good luck with the build nice to see something different. jastrząb 1 Quote Ray Current build A set of HMS Diana`s boats @ 1/48 HMS Royal Marine a Military class Trawler Completed HMS Diana Completed build The Lady Nelson Completed Build HMS Pegasus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jastrząb Posted August 29, 2013 Author Share #8 Posted August 29, 2013 Blue Ensign and Matti thanks for your support. I didn't know she ws coppered twice. According to the treenails - they were about 4-5cm in 1:1 scale so I'm cosidering 0.6mm. But I would like to confirm my thoughts with more experienced users of this forum. I won't stop asking many questions Thank YOU in advance, Paweł Quote Paweł Current build: HMS Pandora: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/3409-hms-pandora-by-jastrz%C4%85b-constructo-185/ Finished projects: Roar Ege 1:25, Billing Boats Albatros 1:55, Constructo Santa Maria 1:50, Mantua Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted August 29, 2013 Share #9 Posted August 29, 2013 (edited) I read someone "doing treenails" with a injection needle(thats the word?) tip. It looked subtle and in scale, but I dont remember what scale or thickness it was though. Worth checking out perhaps. /Matti Edited August 29, 2013 by NAZGÛL Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WackoWolf Posted August 30, 2013 Share #10 Posted August 30, 2013 You can get different size needles and then use the size needed, at least in the US you can. Not sure what the laws are for different countries, so you might not be able to have different size sent to you in the mail. Quote Wacko Joe Go MSW :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliluke Posted August 30, 2013 Share #11 Posted August 30, 2013 Pawel I've just been down this treenail path with my Fly deck and agree with B.E and Ray. However I have just added them at about 0.5mm diameter and then filled them with a wood paste so that they are barely visible. I like the subtle detail effect but it is up to you how you go and I certainly do not like very visible, black treenails. I'd certainly look at rebuilding the quarter badges versus those given in the kit. Pandora is a beautiful ship and I too recommend the AoTS book if you can get a copy. I look forward to your updates. Cheers Alistair Quote Cheers Alistair Current Build - HMS Fly by aliluke - Victory Models - 1/64 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/34180-hms-fly-by-aliluke-victory-models-164/ Previous Build - Armed Virginia Sloop by Model Shipways Previous Build - Dutch Whaler by Sergal (hull only, no log) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jastrząb Posted August 30, 2013 Author Share #12 Posted August 30, 2013 Alistair, WackoWulf, Matti, thank you for your opinions. I have AoTS book so it will be helpful to get the details. I'm rebuilding the quarter badges too. The holes for windows are now drilled out. I will paint them and put a sort of transpatrent plastic (PET) to imitate glass. My plan is to use some led lights that's why my work is going to last long I will consider coppering the hull (it'll be my first time) so if you have any hints and tips - don't hesitate to write to me Thanks a lot, Paweł Quote Paweł Current build: HMS Pandora: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/3409-hms-pandora-by-jastrz%C4%85b-constructo-185/ Finished projects: Roar Ege 1:25, Billing Boats Albatros 1:55, Constructo Santa Maria 1:50, Mantua Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jastrząb Posted September 15, 2013 Author Share #13 Posted September 15, 2013 A small upgrade. It's not finished yet. I'm going to add a white paint and yellow at the bottom. NAZGÛL 1 Quote Paweł Current build: HMS Pandora: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/3409-hms-pandora-by-jastrz%C4%85b-constructo-185/ Finished projects: Roar Ege 1:25, Billing Boats Albatros 1:55, Constructo Santa Maria 1:50, Mantua Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted September 16, 2013 Share #14 Posted September 16, 2013 Nice! What are the modifications? /Matti Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliluke Posted September 16, 2013 Share #15 Posted September 16, 2013 Hi Pawel, Your work is looking really good and is similar to my start on the Fly. Excellent modifications on your badges - that is hard work starting from a cast white metal piece. For me doing these early details was about getting familiar with the scale - 1/64 in my case. I think it is a useful way to find "the eye" for the whole build. I hope you launch into the hull soon and I look forward to that progress. Cheers Alistair Quote Cheers Alistair Current Build - HMS Fly by aliluke - Victory Models - 1/64 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/34180-hms-fly-by-aliluke-victory-models-164/ Previous Build - Armed Virginia Sloop by Model Shipways Previous Build - Dutch Whaler by Sergal (hull only, no log) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jastrząb Posted September 16, 2013 Author Share #16 Posted September 16, 2013 Thanks Matti and Alistair for your comments. Matti, the modifications are: drilling out the metal cast and painting them. I want to put some transparent plastic to imitate the glass. This scale (1:85) is really tricky. The parts are rathersmall comparing them to my Santa Maria (1:50). Soon there will be more photos. Thanks for commenting Paweł NAZGÛL 1 Quote Paweł Current build: HMS Pandora: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/3409-hms-pandora-by-jastrz%C4%85b-constructo-185/ Finished projects: Roar Ege 1:25, Billing Boats Albatros 1:55, Constructo Santa Maria 1:50, Mantua Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riverboat Posted September 16, 2013 Share #17 Posted September 16, 2013 Pawel, if the Pandora turns out half as nice as your Supply, it will be just Awesome ! ! Frank Quote completed build: Delta River Co. Riverboat HMAT SUPPLY USRC "ALERT" in progress: Red Dragon (Chinese junk) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jastrząb Posted September 17, 2013 Author Share #18 Posted September 17, 2013 Frank, I wish I had built Supply. It wasn't me... sorry... But I will do my best to reach this level of accuracy Cheers, Paweł riverboat 1 Quote Paweł Current build: HMS Pandora: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/3409-hms-pandora-by-jastrz%C4%85b-constructo-185/ Finished projects: Roar Ege 1:25, Billing Boats Albatros 1:55, Constructo Santa Maria 1:50, Mantua Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riverboat Posted September 17, 2013 Share #19 Posted September 17, 2013 Sorry Pawel, had you mistaken for someone else, but I'm sure your build will be an awesome too!! Frank Quote completed build: Delta River Co. Riverboat HMAT SUPPLY USRC "ALERT" in progress: Red Dragon (Chinese junk) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jastrząb Posted September 17, 2013 Author Share #20 Posted September 17, 2013 (edited) Here is the result of yesterday's painting. I used a white paint on the quarter badge. In the second photo as a comparison to the main part. There's one piece left but I must drill the holes out. Now I'm thinking of the "glass" and window frames (they will be made of a white sticker. Photos soon Edited September 17, 2013 by jastrząb Quote Paweł Current build: HMS Pandora: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/3409-hms-pandora-by-jastrz%C4%85b-constructo-185/ Finished projects: Roar Ege 1:25, Billing Boats Albatros 1:55, Constructo Santa Maria 1:50, Mantua Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jastrząb Posted September 17, 2013 Author Share #21 Posted September 17, 2013 Hi, Frank I hope my build will be at least in 50% as good as other MSW members Regards, Paweł Quote Paweł Current build: HMS Pandora: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/3409-hms-pandora-by-jastrz%C4%85b-constructo-185/ Finished projects: Roar Ege 1:25, Billing Boats Albatros 1:55, Constructo Santa Maria 1:50, Mantua Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blademaster2444 Posted January 3, 2014 Share #22 Posted January 3, 2014 I the mods you did to the windows. I'm new to building ships and the forums but The HMS Pandora from constructo is the ship I'm working on so post lot of pic of your build would help me a lot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jastrząb Posted January 3, 2014 Author Share #23 Posted January 3, 2014 You too my friend We can learn from each other Quote Paweł Current build: HMS Pandora: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/3409-hms-pandora-by-jastrz%C4%85b-constructo-185/ Finished projects: Roar Ege 1:25, Billing Boats Albatros 1:55, Constructo Santa Maria 1:50, Mantua Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clloyd Posted January 7, 2014 Share #24 Posted January 7, 2014 Hi Pawel, Just popped in to have a look and see what you are doing. I think doing proper windows will be a good thing and make her look a lot better. Don't use trenails. They were closer to 1" than two, and are just about achievable at 1/64 (i've tested 0.4mm in my 4mm wide planks and it looks ok), but at 1/85 they will look too out of scale. I would recommend getting Lees "masting and rigging", and the AotS:pandora for the rigging. My recollection is that constructo builds great looking kits, but historical accuracy is sometimes suspect. Colin Quote -- Current Builds: HMS Pandora 1/64 Scratch Jeannie Johnston; 18thC Longboat with my son Previous Builds: HMB Bounty - Caldercraft Running Round my head: HMS Speedy (1782) - vaguely thinking POF "If at first you don't succeed, try it your wifes' way" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jastrząb Posted January 7, 2014 Author Share #25 Posted January 7, 2014 Colin, thank you for your response. I have AotS so I'll take a look at rigging. I was also considering coppering the hull. What's your opinion on that? (Probably the rivets would be too smal for my scale). Regards, Paweł Quote Paweł Current build: HMS Pandora: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/3409-hms-pandora-by-jastrz%C4%85b-constructo-185/ Finished projects: Roar Ege 1:25, Billing Boats Albatros 1:55, Constructo Santa Maria 1:50, Mantua Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clloyd Posted January 8, 2014 Share #26 Posted January 8, 2014 (edited) Historically she was coppered. The only reason you'd have to not copper is if you wanted the opportunity to show off the wood of the hull in a more artistic presentation. You are right that it is getting a little small for showing the nails - however if you look at victory models 1/72 plates they have etched the pattern on. Colin Edited January 8, 2014 by clloyd Quote -- Current Builds: HMS Pandora 1/64 Scratch Jeannie Johnston; 18thC Longboat with my son Previous Builds: HMB Bounty - Caldercraft Running Round my head: HMS Speedy (1782) - vaguely thinking POF "If at first you don't succeed, try it your wifes' way" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jastrząb Posted January 8, 2014 Author Share #27 Posted January 8, 2014 Colin, I will think it over. Now I shall finish my Santa Maria and then start Pandora... However, I will be asking a lot of questions here just to solve some problems and doubts Quote Paweł Current build: HMS Pandora: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/3409-hms-pandora-by-jastrz%C4%85b-constructo-185/ Finished projects: Roar Ege 1:25, Billing Boats Albatros 1:55, Constructo Santa Maria 1:50, Mantua Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blademaster2444 Posted January 8, 2014 Share #28 Posted January 8, 2014 I was thinking of coppering the hull on my pandora build but not sure yet for sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jastrząb Posted January 9, 2014 Author Share #29 Posted January 9, 2014 I still feel hazy about coppering the hull. On one hand it would be quite a new experience for me but on the other hand, inaccuracy is not good then (how to make rivets at the scale of 1:85???) Without rivets it would b a bit strange. Any ideas about the dimensions and how to make them? I was thinking of using a needle or a very thin drill (0.1mm). What do you think? Quote Paweł Current build: HMS Pandora: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/3409-hms-pandora-by-jastrz%C4%85b-constructo-185/ Finished projects: Roar Ege 1:25, Billing Boats Albatros 1:55, Constructo Santa Maria 1:50, Mantua Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jastrząb Posted January 10, 2014 Author Share #30 Posted January 10, 2014 I know jacketha. Constructo did it really badly. The Union Jack should be without The Northern Ireland.... No comments I will have to modify it Quote Paweł Current build: HMS Pandora: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/3409-hms-pandora-by-jastrz%C4%85b-constructo-185/ Finished projects: Roar Ege 1:25, Billing Boats Albatros 1:55, Constructo Santa Maria 1:50, Mantua Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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