HMS Pandora by jastrząb - Constructo - 1:85

[jastrząb]

Hello, 

In parallel with Santa Maria, I'd like to start another topic.

It will be a very slow progress. First of all I will need your help (I know I can rely on you).

 

This model I'd like to do with a great care and accuracy.

 

Before I do anything I'm not sure of, I will be torturing you with questions

 

 

My first question is : what's your opinion on coppering the hull?

 

And some photos of the stern (I have modified one part - I couldn't resist)

[jastrząb]

The first set of pics. I found one mistake. Look at the Union Jack Flag. HMS Pandora comes from 1779, so.....

 

Maybe I'm wrong. I need your opinion in this building log. 

 

A shop-assistant told me that constructo don't build HMS Pandora any more. Does anyone know why?

 

 

AND ANOTHER QUESTION about the treenails. The kit is 1:85 scale. 

 

Is it ok to put 0.6mm treenails. Won't it be too large?

 

Regards, Paweł

[jastrząb]

Hello Friends,

 

Could you help me with my questions about coppering and the diameter of the treenails, please?

 

If you have any ideas/ information about HMS Pandora, let me know. I'm searching for her in the Internet but anything about her is welcomed

[NAZGÛL]

Michael (member md1400cs) is good for questions about the nails. He have nails on his Vasa ship, and it looks really nice. I had a hard time to decide to use nails or not, but in the end I decided not to use them, as I dont think I could get the look right.

 

You can also consider to use flat colors, or add a coat of flat varnish on top of that stern (that looks really nice btw!). For me its easyer to get it to to look used and vibrant with flat colors. Again its more a question about aesthetics and what look you like. But if you look at Lawrences (member canoe) build it looks really nice in gloss paint! So you can go either way.

 

Looking forward to see progress of this!

 

 

/Matti

[Blue Ensign]

Hello Pawel, i wish you luck with your new project.

 

As far as coppering is concerned  it is of course largely down to personal choice, but Pandora was first coppered in May 1779 and was re- sheathed in1789, presumably before her mission to recover the Bounty Mutineeers.

 

Treenails are a tricky one, they would be very small indeed at 1:85 scale, in fact they are barely visible at 1:1 scale, but again it is a matter of choice whether to go down that route. Personally I wouldn't bother at scales less than 1:48.

 

I don't know if you can get it but the AotS series book The 24 gun Frigate Pandora by John McKay and Ron Coleman, originally published by Conway maritime Press, may be of help to you. (ISBN 0 85177 894 1)

 

B.E.

[NAZGÛL]

Ah, treenails... Sorry I read nails. Sorry, its been a long day.

[Ray]

Hi tree nails at this scale would need to be so small you most likley would not see them, I think any scale above 1/48 are better of without them I have scale planked my Diana deck and at 1/64 the planks are very narrow, coppering the bottom would be the right choice, but at the end of the day its the builders choice. Good luck with the build nice to see something different.

[jastrząb]

Blue Ensign and Matti thanks for your support. I didn't know she ws coppered twice. 

 

According to the treenails - they  were about 4-5cm in 1:1 scale so I'm cosidering 0.6mm. But I would like to confirm my thoughts with more experienced users of this forum.

 

I won't stop asking many questions

 

Thank YOU in advance,

 

Paweł

[NAZGÛL]

I read someone "doing treenails" with a injection needle(thats the word?) tip. It looked subtle and in scale, but I dont remember what scale or thickness it was though. Worth checking out perhaps.

 

 

/Matti

Edited August 29, 2013 by NAZGÛL

[WackoWolf]

You can get different size needles and then use the size needed, at least in the US you can. Not sure what the laws are for different countries, so you might not be able to have different size sent to you in the mail.

[aliluke]

Pawel

I've just been down this treenail path with my Fly deck and agree with B.E and Ray. However I have just added them at about 0.5mm diameter and then filled them with a wood paste so that they are barely visible. I like the subtle detail effect but it is up to you how you go and I certainly do not like very visible, black treenails.

 

I'd certainly look at rebuilding the quarter badges versus those given in the kit.

 

Pandora is a beautiful ship and I too recommend the AoTS book if you can get a copy.

 

I look forward to your updates.

 

Cheers

Alistair

[jastrząb]

Alistair, WackoWulf, Matti, thank you for your opinions. 

 

I have AoTS book so it will be helpful to get the details. 

 

I'm rebuilding the quarter badges too. The holes for windows are now drilled out. I will paint them and put a sort of transpatrent plastic (PET) to imitate glass. 

 

My plan is to use some led lights that's why my work is going to last long

 

I will consider coppering the hull (it'll be my first time) so if you have any hints and tips - don't hesitate to write to me

 

Thanks a lot,

 

Paweł

[jastrząb]

A small upgrade. It's not finished yet. I'm going to add a white paint and yellow at the bottom.

[NAZGÛL]

Nice! What are the modifications?

 

 

/Matti

[aliluke]

Hi Pawel, Your work is looking really good and is similar to my start on the Fly. Excellent modifications on your badges - that is hard work starting from a cast white metal piece. For me doing these early details was about getting familiar with the scale - 1/64 in my case. I think it is a useful way to find "the eye" for the whole build.

 

I hope you launch into the hull soon and I look forward to that progress.

 

Cheers

Alistair

[jastrząb]

Thanks Matti and Alistair for your comments.

 

Matti, the modifications are: drilling out the metal cast and painting them. I want to put some transparent plastic to imitate the glass. 

This scale (1:85) is really tricky. The parts are rathersmall comparing them to my Santa Maria (1:50).

 

Soon there will be more photos.

 

Thanks for commenting

 

Paweł

[riverboat]

Pawel, if the Pandora turns out half as nice as your Supply, it will be just Awesome ! !

Frank

[jastrząb]

Frank, I wish I had built Supply. It wasn't me... sorry...   

But I will do my best to reach this level of accuracy

Cheers,

 

Paweł

[riverboat]

Sorry Pawel, had you mistaken for someone else,  but I'm sure your build will be an awesome too!!

Frank

[jastrząb]

Here is the result of yesterday's painting. I used a white paint on the quarter badge. In the second photo as a comparison to the main part. There's one piece left but I must drill the holes out. Now I'm thinking of the "glass" and window frames (they will be made of a white sticker. Photos soon

Edited September 17, 2013 by jastrząb

[jastrząb]

Hi, Frank I hope my build will be at least in 50% as good as other MSW members

 

Regards,

Paweł

[Blademaster2444]

I the mods you did to the windows. I'm new to building ships and the forums but The HMS Pandora from constructo is the ship I'm working on so post lot of pic of your build would help me a lot

[jastrząb]

You too my friend We can learn from each other

[clloyd]

Hi Pawel,

 

Just popped in to have a look and see what you are doing.

 

I think doing proper windows will be a good thing and make her look a lot better.

 

Don't use trenails.  They were closer to 1" than two, and are just about achievable at 1/64 (i've tested 0.4mm in my 4mm wide planks and it looks ok), but at 1/85 they will look too out of scale.

 

I would recommend getting Lees "masting and rigging", and the AotS:pandora for the rigging.  My recollection is that constructo builds great looking kits, but historical accuracy is sometimes suspect.

 

Colin

[jastrząb]

Colin, thank you for your response.

I have AotS so I'll take a look at rigging. I was also considering coppering the hull.

What's your opinion on that?

(Probably the rivets would be too smal for my scale).

Regards,

Paweł

[clloyd]

Historically she was coppered.  The only reason you'd have to not copper is if you wanted the opportunity to show off the wood of the hull in a more artistic presentation.  You are right that it is getting a little small for showing the nails - however if you look at victory models 1/72 plates they have etched the pattern on.

 

Colin

Edited January 8, 2014 by clloyd

[jastrząb]

Colin, I will think it over. Now I shall finish my Santa Maria and then start Pandora...

 

However, I will be asking a lot of questions here just to solve some problems and doubts

[Blademaster2444]

I was thinking of coppering the hull on my pandora build but not sure yet for sure

[jastrząb]

I still feel hazy about coppering the hull. On one hand it would be quite a new experience for me but on the other hand, inaccuracy is not good then (how to make rivets at the scale of 1:85???) Without rivets it would b a bit strange. Any ideas about the dimensions and how to make them? I was thinking of using a needle or a very thin drill (0.1mm). 

What do you think?

[jastrząb]

I know jacketha. Constructo did it really badly. The Union Jack should be without The Northern Ireland.... No comments I will have to modify it