Mike Dowling
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OK , Sorry. I'll shut up and go away.
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I think you are absolutely right Dominic! I am going to treat this as fun even I upset a few perfectionists along the way. It's just that sometimes a bit of help or shared experience can go a long way towards a better final result. I still want to know where on earth I start with the planking!!!!
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I don't want to spoil somebody elses conversation but mine has 15 bulkheads! Surely that is enough?
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Me again!! I have just been looking at you model again and you have got the same 3rd deck as I have but without the crew's quarters. The other difference seems to be that mine is internally planked between the two half decks. You might still be able to manage that if you really want to.
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Don't ask me, I seem to get it wrong every time!!!!
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I think to be honest I would leave yours as it is. I would be too scared of spoiling what you/I have done already. I reckon they used really depressed modellers as ballast but I can't quite figure out where they put them!!
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Sorry, me again!! I just tried to answer some of your questions but I put them on my build log instead of yours. I can't quite get the hang of system but the message is there if you don't mind looking.
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Well, firstly my deep depression has lifted as I managed to salvage the bow bulwark and it is gluing o the bow as I type!!!! Hooray!!! Now, how can I help with these decks. Mine has two sort of half decks either side of what you are calling the holding well. The bow end one is practically the same shape as the second deck from the 2nd to 5th and a bit bulkhead so maybe you could use your second deck as a template. The stern end is not so easy. On my 9th bulkhead it is practically the same as the second deck but then tapers much more into the stern. Maybe you could work out the shape using a temporary batten on the inside of the hull? If it helps I could take some more pictures of mine a bit closer to show you more detail? Regarding the grates I did make full sections which I then surface painted with PVA glue. When dry I turned them over and painted the other side. I have found that when dry they are really quite strong and cutting them to the correct size, whilst you still have to be careful, is a lot easier. Just an additional thought because on the OcCre model the crow's nest platforms (or whatever they are called?) are also fabricated from the grating so I have tried to be very careful not to waste any. Don't know if any of that is useful. I think you are just trying to put off the planking like me!!!!
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Hi CA, if it helps, on my model the stairwell holes are framed in the same way your grates are and as you say much better than just deck planking.
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Thanks so much for that, I really appreciate it. Maybe I will just do what the instructions suggest this time and not try to be a perfectionist. After all what we want in the end is a half decent looking model that we can say we did our best with don't you think? Anyway, having done a bit more today I am in deep depression as I have managed to snap one of the pieces for the bow bulwark that has to be bent to fit. Whilst I have managed to hold it together with tape for the time being I can see that bending it properly is now going to be a major exercise. I must keep telling myself that this is a hobby and I am enjoying it!!!!
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Hi CF (!!) and thanks for the post. It might be cheating but I am beginning to think that the addition of a few filler blocks may be a good idea for a novice like me. The problem with the planking instructions is that they indicate doing all the flat easy pieces first and then fill in all the gaps using wedge shaped pieces. Nothing about filler planks or drop planks. Maybe I should do it that way but I know it would horrify all the really clever builders out there. I am just really anxious about spoiling what I have done so far. Perhaps I should have been a doctor instead?!
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Gosh! I didn't think you were a beginner as well - respect!! I have to say the OcCre kit I am working on seems pretty well cut, I had to do a bit of 'adjustment' but nothing like your problems. My jigs so far consist of a lot of bulldog clips, a couple of heavy stones and some sanding blocks. Don't knock it if it works! As you say, planking is going to be a huge challenge. I don't like the method suggested in the instructions as it leaves a huge amount of patchwork at the end which seems wrong to me. It has been suggested to me that the use of some more filler blocks at the bow and stern might make the job easier. I am investigating this further! I have made quite a few non boat models before this with far less curves!! They seem easy in comparison. Never mind, it's a challenge and good fun really. I look forward to watching your progress, maybe we can learn from each other. Good luck.
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I painted mine as per the box as well, it covered a multitude if sins but seemed a bit of a shame after the planking headache - twice! I think the deck bits are best as well.
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Hi, frankly I think I hate you already!!! What a brilliant build. I hope mine turns out half as good as yours!!!
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Hi, I am so impressed with what you have done so far. I am trying to build the OcCre Bounty which is not nearly as kind in the bow as yours. I am only a beginner but I notice you asking at one point about contact adhesive. I do my planking with ordinary carpenters (PVA) adhesive. Contact is totally unforgiving and gives no room for manoeuvre at all! I notice that your build has several decks as does mine. Does that mean that part of the hull is exposed with yours as well? All the best, Mike.
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HI there and many thanks for the post. Being a bit of a peasant I'm afraid I don't understand some of your nautical terms as yet! However I know on my build I have had to remove any sections of beam below cutouts. Seems like a shame when one has been so careful doing them in the first place!! I suppose it makes sense in the end. Believe me, I too am having sleepless nights worrying about the planking!! Maybe I should have chosen an easier ship for a beginner! Anyway, thanks for the comments and I will keep watching yours. All the best, Mike.
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Hi, just plugged in to your build. This was the first boat I made. Enjoyed it a lot though my planking was complete rubbish as I had no idea what I was doing!! Still don't come to that. However I did bottle out when it came to the sails and just rigged it. Still made a fairly handsome model and I was very pleased for a first attempt. I am trying to build the Bounty now and I can't remember how tricky the Scotland was. They do say you forget pain eventually!!!! Anyway, good luck and I will keep watching. All the best, Mike.
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Hi Cannon Fodder and thanks for the post. The instructions, which seem sensible in view of the very round bow only provide filler from the false keel to the first bulkhead. Are you suggesting that I should only plank to the second bulkhead with the first layer and fill between the first and second as well bearing in mind I can only fill below the level of the second deck on the starboard side? (This side remains partially open on the finished model).
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Hi again, glad you found the pictures. I think I know what you mean - as you can see there are two big fillers for the bow section but do you think I should fill between the first and second bulkhead at the bow and the last two bulkheads before the transom?
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Hi again. I have now finished the basic part of the top deck. Loads more to do to it but not now until the planking is done. I have done the fairing of the hull, which I hope will be OK. I have taken pictures of the transom and the bow as requested. You can see what I think you are calling filler blocks which need to be shaped for the bow but, according to the instructions the first planking is done flush with the bulkhead. The filler blocks are then cut, fixed and shaped. The whole hull is then filled as required, sanded and then sealed. The second planking covers the first layer and the blocks at the bow. I haven't put any lines or batens on yet. This is where I next need help from the experts out there as I really don't want to mess up what I have managed so far. I will have another read through 'planking for beginners' but I can't say that I really understood it last time. Anyway, I hope the pictures will assist in giving this beginner help!!!
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Many thanks, I will try and get some bow and stern pictures done and see where we go from there as you suggest.
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Just an extra thought, you can see from the pics that the widest section is not midships but quite a long way towards the bow. Does this make a difference? Should I have kept to trains and stagecoaches instead?
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Many thanks so far but I really am still lost. In as much as this beast I am building has 3 decks, should I take the 'string ' lines along the lines of the decks or am I losing the plot completely? I am sorry but I just can't get my head around this fan template - I maybe a complete idiot but I need this spelt out to me in really easy English words of no longer than two syllables. Is any one up for the challenge?
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