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How Realistic Can One Make Sails?
Blue Ensign replied to Julie Mo's topic in Masting, rigging and sails
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Happy Birthday Augie, hope you're feeling better to enjoy it B.E.
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This is one link. http://www.itv.com/news/meridian/search/?q=hms+vICTORY Scroll down the page until you reach A pink paint job for HMS Victory? B.E.
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How Realistic Can One Make Sails?
Blue Ensign replied to Julie Mo's topic in Masting, rigging and sails
Silkspan or Modelspan as it seems to be called now is an excellent medium for making sails certainly at smaller scales. I used it on my French Seventy-four build, and the effect of wind behind the sail is simply achieved using a hair dryer. There is a technique to forming the sails but all the various strengthening patches along with seams and cringles can be incorporated, and it is both strong and translucent. B.E.- 100 replies
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Enjoyed catching up on your log Bug, love the look of her, and the weathering that gives her an age that belies her current build status. Cheers, B.E.
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Nice work Peter, she's coming along a treat. Pickle is such a pretty little vessel, no wonder our wives like this model, although I suspect the more space friendly size has something to do with it. B.E.
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It looks good to my eye Jason, very nice work on the hull B.E.
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I seem to have lost track of your beautiful scratch build over the past few months Grant, but glad I found it again, your work on the Mortar is just wonderful. Sorry to read about your assistant Sam, I've rarely been without a canine friend, and know how painful their loss is. B.E.
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I suppose the date 1908 should give us clue, and druxey looks have got the answer. Trouble is I'm stuck firmly in the Eighteenth Century, and hadn't come across internal iron stropped blocks, such things hadn't been invented B.E.
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As far as I know the 'score' is the name given to the groove cut into the shell of a wooden block to hold the strop in place. That doesn't obviously apply in the case of the blocks on the drawing. Are they correct I wonder? B.E.
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From the work you've done so far Martin, I think most of us, and certainly me, would be well satisfied with the standard of your build, and like you I was attracted to this kit when I first saw it - maybe when Pegasus is finished.......... I will continue to follow your build with great interest. Regards, B.E.
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The Revenge is a model that appeals to me, partly as a change from the eighteenth century vessels I have been involved with over the past few years, and the challenge of the different rigging practices of the era. Hopefully I'll get around to it 'ere long. Guns of the second half of the sixteenth century were quite an eclectic mix, majority probably of brass or bronze with some iron guns and with a much greater number of types than became standardised later. Those Amati guns certainly look more the part on a model like Revenge than say a ship of two hundred years later and would probably serve as the heavier guns such as the Demi-Cannon, Culverins, and Demi-Culverins. Presumably Amati supplied smaller versions to represent the Sakers that would be placed on the Upper deck. Other ordnance that is to be found on ships of the era would be the breech loading Port pieces, Fowlers, Bases, and Falcons, but I can't imagine that Amati have considered those. An interesting book relating to the period is Galleon The Great Ships of The Armada Era, by Peter Kirsch. Regards, B.E.
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Other way around Martin, I used the RB barrels with the kit carriages, but I did change the wheels on the carriages. The RB barrels were pretty much spot on for scale. Looking back at my full build log in the other place, this is what I wrote at the time: Details in the Swan Class sloop books suggest that short six pounders would have been fitted to a small vessel such as Pegasus. These have an o/a length of 6’ 6” with a bore of 3.66” Converting the 1:24 scale drawing to 1:64 would give an o/a length of 31.63mm. a muzzle diameter of 4.11mm. Max dia (at the Base ring) of 5.44mm and a bore of 1.3mm. In terms of Length and bore the Amati version gun is somewhat out at 38.03 length o/a and bore of 2.40mm. Maximum diameter (at the Base ring) is close at 6.09mm, the muzzle less so at 4.75mm. Although they look superficially ok I don’t know if the bronzy cast guns will take a blackening procedure and I would have preferred turned brass versions. I ordered a sample 32mm brass turned gun from JB models and this is much closer to the given scale dimensions. o/a length 32mm, muzzle dia 4.19mm, max dia (at Base Ring) 5.96mm, and bore 1.7mm. I did subsequently order sample guns from Chuck and very nice they are too. As you say they are a tad smaller than the RB versions, and as the RB guns looked good to my eye I decided to stick with them. However, I would also be happy with full set of Syren guns, once a matching set is in place, they look good. Cheers, B.E.
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I think you've nailed the guns Martin, they look so much better, and looking along the deck the carriages look good. The problem of the quoins is that the deck camber also works against getting the barrels to sit level and the quoins simply magnify it. Those GR ciphers are smaller than the ones I used, and they were small enough! I attached them to the guns using the merest spot of thick ca - end of a needle job, To position them you could use a tiny sliver of double sided tape, or perhaps a spot of pva on the end of a thick needle or similar. If and when you blacken the guns, any excess of ca you have missed will show up around the cipher, and they will need to be re-blackened after cleaning up again. I used the point of a scalpel and acetone to re-clean any areas, but remember acetone removes ca so care has to be taken that the cipher isn't loosened. This process also shows up any ciphers that weren't securely attached. Cheers, B.E.
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Nice progress Martin she's looking very smart indeed. It is a shame if Amati have been up to their old tricks again by including non realistic generic guns in what is otherwise a splendid model. I'm sure Chris Watton had designed new guns specifically for the Revenge, but my memory may be playing me false. I had to dispense with their 'bronze' guns on my Pegasus kit. ps: The arms of Elizabeth Ist are a Lion rampart and a Welsh Dragon. I recognise the Lion on the left of the arms and the creature on the right does have a dragons tail. Her motto was Semper Eadem (always the same) - obviously adopted by Amati in relation to their kit guns. B.E.
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Hello Rik, unfortunately my build of this kit long pre-dated either MSW or the internet, so there is no build log for her. I do have photographs and this one should give you some idea of her. I planked her with boxwood strip, and the rigging was done by reference to The Naval Cutter Alert 1777 by Peter Goodwin (in the Anatomy of the ship series of books.) Regards, B.E.
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Nice work Rik, I have this model In my collection and I'm very fond of it. I did tweak it a little and replaced the rather crude carronades with carriage guns and dispensed with the very poor cast decorations. I also rigged it by reference to external sources. Look forward to seeing progress on your build Regards, B.E.
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That is one ugly aeroplane Peter, I don't think I could build a model of that, but I rather like the Endeavour's chunky look and bluff bows, it has appeal for me. B.E.
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Your revised proportions look fine to my eye Peter, but then the originals didn't look out of place either, but did need tweaking to give them a finer appearance on the model. I spent hours looking at drawings and photo's of schooners both modern and historic, and came to the conclusion that schooner rig could be almost anything you wanted it to be. As we know there is no definitive details of how Pickle looked apart from the Dodd painting, and as has been pointed out there may well have been a 'bigging up' element in that depiction. I fretted for hours over the Schooner mast Gaff position but finally it was the enormous roach to the topsail that would result from fitting the gaff above the crossjack yard to avoid excessive rubbing of the Fore and jib stays, that decided me to fit it below. Regards, B.E.
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Nice progress and great detailing Vitus, your Fly is looking impressive. B.E.
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Beautiful work on the capstan Ian. B.E.
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Hi Martin, the sit of the guns thro' the port is worrying and something that will have to be addressed. Using just the kit supplied stuff I had a similar problem, but having the guns too low or high thro' the port can spoil the look of the whole model. I did use the kit carriages combined with the RB 32mm guns and replacement Amati carriage wheels which were of a slightly smaller diameter but better quality than the kit supplied Amati wheels (go figure) This gave me more leeway to get the sit of the guns looking right, but as Brian has noted there are other tweaks available to improve the situation. I think I also probably deepened the notch to take the trunnions and played around with rebates on the underside of the bed where it sits on the rear axle and forward tie bolt. Is there scope perhaps for reducing the thickness of the bed to improve the situation. This is a problem that many of us have faced to a greater or lesser degree, but is one that can be sorted. Cheers, B.E.
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