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Other way around Martin, I used the RB barrels with the kit carriages, but I did change the wheels on the carriages. The RB barrels were pretty much spot on for scale. Looking back at my full build log in the other place, this is what I wrote at the time: Details in the Swan Class sloop books suggest that short six pounders would have been fitted to a small vessel such as Pegasus. These have an o/a length of 6’ 6” with a bore of 3.66” Converting the 1:24 scale drawing to 1:64 would give an o/a length of 31.63mm. a muzzle diameter of 4.11mm. Max dia (at the Base ring) of 5.44mm and a bore of 1.3mm. In terms of Length and bore the Amati version gun is somewhat out at 38.03 length o/a and bore of 2.40mm. Maximum diameter (at the Base ring) is close at 6.09mm, the muzzle less so at 4.75mm. Although they look superficially ok I don’t know if the bronzy cast guns will take a blackening procedure and I would have preferred turned brass versions. I ordered a sample 32mm brass turned gun from JB models and this is much closer to the given scale dimensions. o/a length 32mm, muzzle dia 4.19mm, max dia (at Base Ring) 5.96mm, and bore 1.7mm. I did subsequently order sample guns from Chuck and very nice they are too. As you say they are a tad smaller than the RB versions, and as the RB guns looked good to my eye I decided to stick with them. However, I would also be happy with full set of Syren guns, once a matching set is in place, they look good. Cheers, B.E.- 467 replies
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I think you've nailed the guns Martin, they look so much better, and looking along the deck the carriages look good. The problem of the quoins is that the deck camber also works against getting the barrels to sit level and the quoins simply magnify it. Those GR ciphers are smaller than the ones I used, and they were small enough! I attached them to the guns using the merest spot of thick ca - end of a needle job, To position them you could use a tiny sliver of double sided tape, or perhaps a spot of pva on the end of a thick needle or similar. If and when you blacken the guns, any excess of ca you have missed will show up around the cipher, and they will need to be re-blackened after cleaning up again. I used the point of a scalpel and acetone to re-clean any areas, but remember acetone removes ca so care has to be taken that the cipher isn't loosened. This process also shows up any ciphers that weren't securely attached. Cheers, B.E.
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Nice progress Martin she's looking very smart indeed. It is a shame if Amati have been up to their old tricks again by including non realistic generic guns in what is otherwise a splendid model. I'm sure Chris Watton had designed new guns specifically for the Revenge, but my memory may be playing me false. I had to dispense with their 'bronze' guns on my Pegasus kit. ps: The arms of Elizabeth Ist are a Lion rampart and a Welsh Dragon. I recognise the Lion on the left of the arms and the creature on the right does have a dragons tail. Her motto was Semper Eadem (always the same) - obviously adopted by Amati in relation to their kit guns. B.E.
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Hello Rik, unfortunately my build of this kit long pre-dated either MSW or the internet, so there is no build log for her. I do have photographs and this one should give you some idea of her. I planked her with boxwood strip, and the rigging was done by reference to The Naval Cutter Alert 1777 by Peter Goodwin (in the Anatomy of the ship series of books.) Regards, B.E.
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Nice work Rik, I have this model In my collection and I'm very fond of it. I did tweak it a little and replaced the rather crude carronades with carriage guns and dispensed with the very poor cast decorations. I also rigged it by reference to external sources. Look forward to seeing progress on your build Regards, B.E.
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That is one ugly aeroplane Peter, I don't think I could build a model of that, but I rather like the Endeavour's chunky look and bluff bows, it has appeal for me. B.E.
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Your revised proportions look fine to my eye Peter, but then the originals didn't look out of place either, but did need tweaking to give them a finer appearance on the model. I spent hours looking at drawings and photo's of schooners both modern and historic, and came to the conclusion that schooner rig could be almost anything you wanted it to be. As we know there is no definitive details of how Pickle looked apart from the Dodd painting, and as has been pointed out there may well have been a 'bigging up' element in that depiction. I fretted for hours over the Schooner mast Gaff position but finally it was the enormous roach to the topsail that would result from fitting the gaff above the crossjack yard to avoid excessive rubbing of the Fore and jib stays, that decided me to fit it below. Regards, B.E.
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Nice progress and great detailing Vitus, your Fly is looking impressive. B.E.
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Beautiful work on the capstan Ian. B.E.
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Hi Martin, the sit of the guns thro' the port is worrying and something that will have to be addressed. Using just the kit supplied stuff I had a similar problem, but having the guns too low or high thro' the port can spoil the look of the whole model. I did use the kit carriages combined with the RB 32mm guns and replacement Amati carriage wheels which were of a slightly smaller diameter but better quality than the kit supplied Amati wheels (go figure) This gave me more leeway to get the sit of the guns looking right, but as Brian has noted there are other tweaks available to improve the situation. I think I also probably deepened the notch to take the trunnions and played around with rebates on the underside of the bed where it sits on the rear axle and forward tie bolt. Is there scope perhaps for reducing the thickness of the bed to improve the situation. This is a problem that many of us have faced to a greater or lesser degree, but is one that can be sorted. Cheers, B.E.
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Nice little quoin Martin. I tried to make these out of slivers of styrene square section pared down with a scalpel, with a 0.25mm rod length for the handle. This is an early shot taken when I was fiddling around with the guns. The problem was that at a size that made them recognisable as a quoin they elevated the gun too much so that when run out the barrels had a downward angle which didn't look good. If I pared the wedge down to a size that allowed the barrel to sit right thro' the port, the wedge became so small there wasn't room to fit a handle, and the quoin looked like a blemish on the carriage bed. Hence you will see that no quoins are in use on my Pegasus. I hope you do better. Cheers, B.E.
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Fine job Bruce and excellent detailing, a great looking 'Morgan' B.E.
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Looks wonderful Augie, always impressed by your updates. B.E.
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Well thought through Jason, and an excellent result, beautifully clean work on the rudder. B.E.
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Nice progress Peter, the modified boat is looking good. Regarding the 'training tackles' I wasn't sure they were necessary given the bijou size of the carronades. Only 2' 2" in length, any need to shift the position laterally could be achieved by the use of leverage, there were rollers on the slide. Not that you could shift the position on the model guns because the way they are set up the bulwarks would be taken out. They don't appear to clear the ports sufficiently in the run out position. One other consideration, purely aesthetic, is that adding even more tackle to those tiny guns would look too much in my opinion. Regards, B.E.
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Valid points Daniel, colour mixing in the 18th Century was more art than science, and when you add in the natural variations and the preferences of individual Captains to tweak the colour mix if they so desired, I don't think there is any need to rush to copy the latest trend. When the Admiralty sanctioned the change from Red Ochre to Yellow Ochre for inboard works, many Captains started to paint the gun carriages Yellow also in advance of the official orders, I'm not sure the actual shade is that relevant. ps; I believe the green colour was used on The Admirals Barge, Green was the most expensive colour of the age. M.
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Allan, the shroud size given in the TFFM is incorrect, the shrouds are 7" circumference cable not 10" as quoted, a typo error I think. Cheers, B.E. -
Nice work on the Whaleboats John, great technique. ps; enjoyed looking at your Niagara photo's B.E.
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She is truly a wonder to behold Nils, a magnificent and unique Pegasus. I do hope you have somewhere to display her so that she can be fully appreciated from all angles. Well done B.E
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Nice work on the Carronades Thomas, Syren is such an attractive model, and you certainly are doing her justice. B.E.
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Looking good kp, I think waterline settings suit these small scale models, especially when fitted with sails B.E.
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Interesting technique Mike, and a great result, you've achieved a high degree of realism. B.E.
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Nice job on the pump casings Martin, they look really good in boxwood, wish I hadn't painted mine black now. I did make the dales out of a bit of rectangular stuff but they're not permanently fitted and in truth not much of them can be seen. Good 'fix' on the fixed blocks. B.E.
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