Louie da fly

I've put quite a bit of study into guns of this period, and you're certainly on the right track. You might be interested in this gun  from the Genoese ship La Lomellina which sank in 1516 (which I believe was probably built in 1503).

And this picture which I believe shows the Lomellina's predecessor, which sank in 1503, as it is flying the flag of the Lomellini family, and which has some interesting cannons.

 
Steven
 

Sufficient archaeological remains of the main armament of the Mary Rose have been found.
All this has already been neatly researched and put on a drawing by the Mary Rose organisation.
The irregular placement of these cannons is simply because they were added later. Not in the best, most logical place, but simply where there was room and where the hull construction allowed it.
Most of these cannons have already been printed in 3D by a friendly Australian 
Since I will first continue building the outside of the hull, these cannons will only be placed in the year 2025 or later.
And iwill probably build the fore castle as one whole and then put it on the model.
But, when that will be. no idea for now.

I believe this must be the original inspiration for C.S. Forester's book The African Queen, on which the movie is based, except that the director, John Huston, changed the ending.
 
In the book the African Queen doesn't sink the Königin Louise - instead she is lost on the storm and Rose and Charlie's quest fails. Then two fast motor launches with quick-firing guns, transported overland to the lake, out-manoeuvre and sink the German ship.
 
To be honest, I prefer the movie ending. As well as the superb work by Bogie and Kate, who did a beautiful job of portraying two ordinary people (Rose has become resigned to her role as the support for her mediocre brother, and Charlie is a silly weak little man) who fall in love and together achieve something magnificent.
 
Steven
 
 

I believe this must be the original inspiration for C.S. Forester's book The African Queen, on which the movie is based, except that the director, John Huston, changed the ending.
 
In the book the African Queen doesn't sink the Königin Louise - instead she is lost on the storm and Rose and Charlie's quest fails. Then two fast motor launches with quick-firing guns, transported overland to the lake, out-manoeuvre and sink the German ship.
 
To be honest, I prefer the movie ending. As well as the superb work by Bogie and Kate, who did a beautiful job of portraying two ordinary people (Rose has become resigned to her role as the support for her mediocre brother, and Charlie is a silly weak little man) who fall in love and together achieve something magnificent.
 
Steven
 
 

Beautiful work, as usual, Patrick.
 
Steven

I believe this must be the original inspiration for C.S. Forester's book The African Queen, on which the movie is based, except that the director, John Huston, changed the ending.
 
In the book the African Queen doesn't sink the Königin Louise - instead she is lost on the storm and Rose and Charlie's quest fails. Then two fast motor launches with quick-firing guns, transported overland to the lake, out-manoeuvre and sink the German ship.
 
To be honest, I prefer the movie ending. As well as the superb work by Bogie and Kate, who did a beautiful job of portraying two ordinary people (Rose has become resigned to her role as the support for her mediocre brother, and Charlie is a silly weak little man) who fall in love and together achieve something magnificent.
 
Steven
 
 

I don't know how far back bosun's pipes go, but the Byzantines (and IIRC the Ancient Greeks) used flutes to give the time to the oarsmen of their galleys - probably because the high pitched sound could be heard over the deep sounds of the ship, oars etc. And I expect that's the same with bosun's pipes - they're VERY shrill.

 
Steven

I agree with Patrick and Stevinne. This was a very common size for forecastles at this time - see https://www.pinterest.com.au/lowe1847/great-carracksnaos/ - beginning as a quite low structure the forecastle got bigger and bigger and more unwieldy, presumably to give advantage in boarding/deterring boarding. It probably made the ships very crank, and this plus the adoption of big guns which made boarding a less vital part of normal tactics, probably led to the adoption of the lower sleeker galleon.
 
Of course I could be biased. Here's the forecastle of my own Great Harry, Mary Rose's big sister.

Steven

Looking forward to progress on this one.
 
Do we get more of the back-story about the green drakkar?
 
Steven

It's good to see this project back again after a long break. I'm looking forward to seeing further progress.
 
Steven

It's good to see this project back again after a long break. I'm looking forward to seeing further progress.
 
Steven

Thanks Roger. That's my opinion entirely. A lot of this is educated guesswork based on (extremely!) inadequate source material. Of course we can't be sure it's all correct, but a lot of the fun is in the investigation of source material and speculation as to how it could be done, given the pictorial evidence (often affected by artistic licence), the archaeological evidence (often frustratingly incomplete) and the practicalities of sailing a wooden vessel.
 
And if later evidence proves one of the guesses wrong, one still has the satisfaction of having done the best one could with the information that was available at the time.
 
So, on to current progress. Shrouds and halyards in place, but only the foremast shrouds have been finalised.

I really do need to clear my workdesk before I take photos!
 
I made new silkspan sails - I wasn't happy with the first iteration. This time I made them oversize and folded the edges over instead of gluing strips of silkspan to the edges. The cross was painted on with Tamiya acrylic paint. I needed two coats for the "face" side and one for the other side. Considerably happier with the second version.
And I've added the blocks to the yards - for the tacks at the lower ends and the vangs at the upper.

Druxey, if I might pick your brains - how did you attach the bolt ropes to your silkspan sails (they look particularly good)? And the robands?
 
Steven
 
 
 

Thanks Roger. That's my opinion entirely. A lot of this is educated guesswork based on (extremely!) inadequate source material. Of course we can't be sure it's all correct, but a lot of the fun is in the investigation of source material and speculation as to how it could be done, given the pictorial evidence (often affected by artistic licence), the archaeological evidence (often frustratingly incomplete) and the practicalities of sailing a wooden vessel.
 
And if later evidence proves one of the guesses wrong, one still has the satisfaction of having done the best one could with the information that was available at the time.
 
So, on to current progress. Shrouds and halyards in place, but only the foremast shrouds have been finalised.

I really do need to clear my workdesk before I take photos!
 
I made new silkspan sails - I wasn't happy with the first iteration. This time I made them oversize and folded the edges over instead of gluing strips of silkspan to the edges. The cross was painted on with Tamiya acrylic paint. I needed two coats for the "face" side and one for the other side. Considerably happier with the second version.
And I've added the blocks to the yards - for the tacks at the lower ends and the vangs at the upper.

Druxey, if I might pick your brains - how did you attach the bolt ropes to your silkspan sails (they look particularly good)? And the robands?
 
Steven
 
 
 

Thanks Roger. That's my opinion entirely. A lot of this is educated guesswork based on (extremely!) inadequate source material. Of course we can't be sure it's all correct, but a lot of the fun is in the investigation of source material and speculation as to how it could be done, given the pictorial evidence (often affected by artistic licence), the archaeological evidence (often frustratingly incomplete) and the practicalities of sailing a wooden vessel.
 
And if later evidence proves one of the guesses wrong, one still has the satisfaction of having done the best one could with the information that was available at the time.
 
So, on to current progress. Shrouds and halyards in place, but only the foremast shrouds have been finalised.

I really do need to clear my workdesk before I take photos!
 
I made new silkspan sails - I wasn't happy with the first iteration. This time I made them oversize and folded the edges over instead of gluing strips of silkspan to the edges. The cross was painted on with Tamiya acrylic paint. I needed two coats for the "face" side and one for the other side. Considerably happier with the second version.
And I've added the blocks to the yards - for the tacks at the lower ends and the vangs at the upper.

Druxey, if I might pick your brains - how did you attach the bolt ropes to your silkspan sails (they look particularly good)? And the robands?
 
Steven
 
 
 

Thanks, Eric. I'm afraid I'm a bit of a show pony in that regard. I enjoy trying for a bit of extra interest in my builds to spark the attention of those in the know.
 
Steven

Why thank you, Mark. Unfortunately, they are going to be on the weather side, so I think Doreltomin's point stands. However, perhaps a flick of the rudder(s) could take the load off for a short time even if they were weather shrouds. [And of course if they were just completing a tack and hadn't yet got under way, these guys tightening the last weather shroud could well be believable].
 
Tartane, yes, I'm still going to be using lateen sails. I've looked carefully at your arguments and they aren't convincing enough to make me change. I realise that you have the best intentions in making your suggestions, but I have done plenty of research of my own and I'm satisfied that I'm making the right decisions. What may have been the practice for a chebec in the 18th/19th century is by no means necessarily what was done in the 12th century, and I believe I have ample evidence to back me up.
 
Theoretical reconstructions will always be a matter of interpretation of the available evidence, and our interpretations are different. I think the best policy is for us to agree to disagree. I'm not really willing to engage in any further discussion on these points, as I find it's distracting me from the build.
 
Steven

Very sorry to hear that, mate. I can only send you my best wishes.
 
Steven

You've done a beautiful job. Congratulations on completing - a lot of work, but well worth it.
 
Steven

Thanks Roger. That's my opinion entirely. A lot of this is educated guesswork based on (extremely!) inadequate source material. Of course we can't be sure it's all correct, but a lot of the fun is in the investigation of source material and speculation as to how it could be done, given the pictorial evidence (often affected by artistic licence), the archaeological evidence (often frustratingly incomplete) and the practicalities of sailing a wooden vessel.
 
And if later evidence proves one of the guesses wrong, one still has the satisfaction of having done the best one could with the information that was available at the time.
 
So, on to current progress. Shrouds and halyards in place, but only the foremast shrouds have been finalised.

I really do need to clear my workdesk before I take photos!
 
I made new silkspan sails - I wasn't happy with the first iteration. This time I made them oversize and folded the edges over instead of gluing strips of silkspan to the edges. The cross was painted on with Tamiya acrylic paint. I needed two coats for the "face" side and one for the other side. Considerably happier with the second version.
And I've added the blocks to the yards - for the tacks at the lower ends and the vangs at the upper.

Druxey, if I might pick your brains - how did you attach the bolt ropes to your silkspan sails (they look particularly good)? And the robands?
 
Steven
 
 
 

That's ok. Take your time and concentrate on getting well.
 
And when you get the time, you'll probably find the diorama work is good therapy in your recovery.
 
Steven

Oops. I'd meant to reply to this earlier,  ut it somehow got missed. Very glad to be of help in providing a possible 'backdrop' for your knarr.
 
I'll  be interested to see what kind of setting you do end up giving it. I've been thinking seriously about dioramas myself recently (ever since I saw the endless lines of near-identical tanks and aircraft at the Ballarat Modelling Exhibition - interesting for enthusiasts but boring for the general public). I think a setting adds immensely to a model.
 
Looking forward to progress on this one.
 
Steven

Very sorry to hear that, mate. I can only send you my best wishes.
 
Steven

That's ok. Take your time and concentrate on getting well.
 
And when you get the time, you'll probably find the diorama work is good therapy in your recovery.
 
Steven

Oops. I'd meant to reply to this earlier,  ut it somehow got missed. Very glad to be of help in providing a possible 'backdrop' for your knarr.
 
I'll  be interested to see what kind of setting you do end up giving it. I've been thinking seriously about dioramas myself recently (ever since I saw the endless lines of near-identical tanks and aircraft at the Ballarat Modelling Exhibition - interesting for enthusiasts but boring for the general public). I think a setting adds immensely to a model.
 
Looking forward to progress on this one.
 
Steven

Thanks Roger. That's my opinion entirely. A lot of this is educated guesswork based on (extremely!) inadequate source material. Of course we can't be sure it's all correct, but a lot of the fun is in the investigation of source material and speculation as to how it could be done, given the pictorial evidence (often affected by artistic licence), the archaeological evidence (often frustratingly incomplete) and the practicalities of sailing a wooden vessel.
 
And if later evidence proves one of the guesses wrong, one still has the satisfaction of having done the best one could with the information that was available at the time.
 
So, on to current progress. Shrouds and halyards in place, but only the foremast shrouds have been finalised.

I really do need to clear my workdesk before I take photos!
 
I made new silkspan sails - I wasn't happy with the first iteration. This time I made them oversize and folded the edges over instead of gluing strips of silkspan to the edges. The cross was painted on with Tamiya acrylic paint. I needed two coats for the "face" side and one for the other side. Considerably happier with the second version.
And I've added the blocks to the yards - for the tacks at the lower ends and the vangs at the upper.

Druxey, if I might pick your brains - how did you attach the bolt ropes to your silkspan sails (they look particularly good)? And the robands?
 
Steven