Mary Rose by Baker - scale 1/50 - "Your Noblest Shippe"

[Baker]

Welcome on the start of what will become a long build log of the Mary Rose. The idea is to build this model like on the cover of the book "Mary Rose, Your Noblest Shippe"

 

HISTORY (Wikipedia) 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Rose

 

MUSEUM

https://maryrose.org/the-history-of-the-mary-rose/

 

BOOKS

 

 

 

INDEX

 

Frames (bulkheads)

Design

Building slip and align the frames

Fillerblocks

 

Planking

Keel and lower hull planking

Planking between wale 1 and 3

Treenails

 

Rear castle

Build up

 

Cannon deck

Basis

 

Base plate

 

 

 

Started sawing wood at the beginning of last year (cherry)

Books have been bought and partially read.

The frames have been enlarged with a printer to a scale of approximately 1/48 - 1/50.

I first wanted to build on a scale of 1/45 (like my Pelican). After an initial investigation whether I have room for a fully finished model on that scale, it will be a scale of 1/50. 1/45 will be too big to fit in the closet.

 

The first step is drawing out the frames on paper (3D designing and printing is not my thing, drawing, sawing, filing, sanding and making dust is).

To be continued

Edited April 4 by Baker

[Ferrus Manus]

FINALLY a Mary Rose build! one of my favorite carracks!

[Ab Hoving]

I'm sure you will make this an interesting Build Patrick!

[Baker]

Thanks for the encouragements.

To anyone who will follow this. Thank you in advance for your time and attention 👍
This build will take a very long time. Provide yourself with an easy seat, drinks, appetizers, etc 😉

[Ondras71]

10 hours ago, Baker said:

Thanks for the encouragements.

To anyone who will follow this. Thank you in advance for your time and attention 👍
This build will take a very long time. Provide yourself with an easy seat, drinks, appetizers, etc 😉

Thanks Patrick for another 16th century ship. I'm looking forward!! Ondras

[Snug Harbor Johnny]

 ... love it! - actually ... love, Love LOVE IT!  (regardless of the time involved).  I prefer to be 'event driven' rather than time driven.

[druxey]

As SHJ said!

[Roger Pellett]

I’m defenitely looking forward to following this.  Fire up the angle grinder!

[firdajan]

Fingers crossed, Patrick. I hope you will finish it. It´s a beautiful ship. 

Here´s  one building :

https://www.shipmodeling.ru/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=71379

unfortunatelly, the builder died already. But there´s a lot of informations.

 

Jan

[druxey]

Certainly that is a lovely model, Jan.

[Baker]

First thank you for all the attention. Much appreciated. 

The link to the "Russian" Mary rose model is bookmarked, thanks Jan.

 

After all the 12 frames are drawn,  plywood is first roughly sawn to size.

The drawings are glued to the plywood.

And, ready to sawn the frames. 

But given the outside temperature is now between 0 and 5 degrees. After 1 frame my fingers were a bit frozen 🥶
So, for now, I will switch back to my military modeling in our heated kitchen.

 

[Baker]

All the frames are sawn.
The idea is to build the hull upside down. I've never done this before, something new to try.

The frames are clamped onto the buildslip. These are not yet fixed on the plate, This setup is to see if all my drawing and sawing work is correct.

The result is not bad. Actually better than expected.

These drawings are also enlarged. For now, it's still Chinese to me. 

But again something new to learn.

 

[md1400cs]

Patrick - adding your new  log as well. in the mid-90s I visited the Mary Rose (well after seeing that other one - right next door) haha — Very interesting. This was before they of course totally rebuilt the Mary Rose museum, which apparently today is astonishing. Looking forward to your new build, which are always a delight to follow.

 

Cheers, my friend.

[Hubac's Historian]

Well, this all looks pretty incredible!  I will happily follow along on this one.

[Ondras71]

That will be a very big hull!! I used the same build system, just prepared the top of the ribs for precise removal later so I didn't have to use too much violence.. Fingers crossed.👌

[Veszett Roka]

Hi Patrick,

 

how the keel will be installed? It will be an addednum after the planking, or will it be the first?

[Katsumoto]

Nice project and good luck. I see you are on a great start already! ☺️

[Mic_Nao]

Hello, I like this ship, good luck for the build !

[Baker]

Thanks everyone for your interest 

 

A dummy plywood "keelplate" is made.

This showed that the mutual distance between the bulkheads was too great. So everything has been disassembled and the intermediate supports have been made 3mm narrower.

The new arrangement is now in proportion to the keel, stern, stem.

The shape of the front and rear bulkheads don't look right on sight (i think). I used the drawing from the book Anatomy of the ship (AOTS) and It looks if these are "taken" from MR Noblest Shippe (MRNS)

The AOTS scheme has 12 frames.

The MRNS has also detailed  "sections" and frames.

 

That is why the drawing of the sections (MR noblest shippe) has been enlarged by 200%. I spent a few hours at work today at the engineering department...😇

The intention is to make masters with these to check if the shape of the bulkheads matches with the sections.

This will also help to determine the position of the decks more easily. The deck of the cannons is open (a real deck, no holes in the hull with dummy cannons)

@Ondras71 This is indeed going to be a large model.

 

@Veszett Roka

The keel will consist of 3 pieces from 2 different types of wood. The idea is to install it first. 

 

 

 

[allanyed]

Patrick

Just tuned in and will be following your build.  Your research and follow up attention to detail is commendable. Thanks for sharing your work with us.

Allan

[Baker]

On 2/1/2023 at 7:04 PM, Baker said:

The shape of the front and rear bulkheads don't look right on sight (i think). I used the drawing from the book Anatomy of the ship (AOTS) and It looks if these are "taken" from MR Noblest Shippe (MRNS)

The AOTS scheme has 12 frames.

The MRNS has also detailed  "sections" and frames.

Testing my suspicion.
After enlarging the section drawings from the MRNS book, these sections were all copied separately.

A first test clearly shows a difference with the drawings (bulkheads) from the AOTS book.

Grrr 

All these (some of of them expensive) books and in none of them you find the simple mention about the length - width of the hull.

So i continue with the keel length and the beam in feet.
Length keel 60,... cm and beam 23,... cm.

The sections from MRNS seem to match better the 23cm than the bulkheads from AOTS 24.5cm

Next plan.
Making these extra bulkheads and do a better shaping of the the already made bulkheads.

Better to do well now than to have problems later.

[druxey]

Various other AOTS books have shown to be problematic. Looks like this may be the case here. I suspect that MRNS is more reliable.

[Baker]

indeed.
From now on, MRNS will be the first source of information to consult. 

[Roger Pellett]

An admittedly brief review of my copy of MRNS indicates that the Mary Rose organization has not published a full blown “lines drawing” for the ship.  As the ship as recovered from the Solent was distorted wreckage they are probably reluctant to publish a drawing not fully supported by archeological evidence.  The frame and section drawings in the book used as is therefore, may not produce a fair hull.

 

ATOS appears to have taken things a step further with a lines drawing that produces a fair hull but does not exactly match all of the as recovered, but distorted wreckage.

 

As I see it, you have two choices:  Use the ATOS lines drawing as is.  This should produce a fair hull that replicates the shape of a Mid 16th Century large English Carrick based on corrected hull shapes recovered from the Mary Rose wreckage.  OR, You can use the MRNS data to draw your own lines drawing.  If you chose to do this you may well have to adjust some hull section shapes to produce fair lines.

 

Either case will produce a hull that reflects someone’s best guess; you or the author of ATOS.  Either approach will produce a handsome model that comes as close as we are going to get of this historic ship.

 

Roger

 

 

[Baker]

I fully agree.

But, the advantage of the MRNS book is that I have a lot of drawings on a scale of 1/100. And it is easy for me to enlarge them to a scale of 1/50.

So I'm going to make the sections of MRNS and place them next to the current bulkheads. And then see what makes the most sense.

 

I promesed this build would be a long way to a finished model. I'm doing this well, haha 😇

Edited February 13, 2023 by Baker

[Baker]

First a non Ship related item.
Recently my photos are reduced with this tool. The first time you use it is a bit of searching, but after a few times of practice this goes pretty smoothly

 

The length / width ratio can be found in the MR book by Haynes (thanks to Chapman 👍).
There is a waterline drawing in MRNS. It also shows the positions of the sections on the keel.

This drawing is enlarged and hopefully these water lines will fit

Bulkheads whose position corresponds to the sections in the MRNS book are adjusted.

The MRNS book sections (black) are in place. The intention is to use the water lines to bring the remaining bulkheads into a better shape

The difference in bulkhead 11 and section 10 is here good to see

Very early at this stage, designing flags

Thanks following and the advice

[GrandpaPhil]

Very cool!

[Baker]

Part of the bulkheads are adjusted and ready. An opening is made in the middle.

Start aligning and attaching the bulkheads to the buildslip. The buildslip is first leveled flat

Aligning the bulkheads with the laser

Making sure that the screws remain accessible 

The rear part is ready

The plywood keel has been sawn through (a mistake was made at the front). The final keel will be installed at a later stage.

Supervisor Felix has full confidence in this project 😼

[Baker]

The stem (problem) 

So now I know why the water lines from MRNS were not correct.  The rason was  "a wrong" start with the stem.  So this problem will be solved first.

 

The stem on this drawing is enlarged.

The difference is clearly visible.

The new piece

Oops...

Adjusting the front bulkheads and repositioning. (Mister Bosch is a very handy little thing for this).

And my assistant is also there (on the right between 11 and 12)

All bulkheads are bolted to the buildslip. And the water lines from MRNS are pretty accurate now. 

Thanks for following

[Baker]

Now that the bulkheads have approximately the right shape, it is time to add the extra supports between them

Then the bulkheads and the supports are chamfered 

now my favourite part, fillerblocks

These will be installed in the hull part below the cannon deck

Number 1 in place 

Thanks for following