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Hope some good scale drawings can be made from all of this in the scale you want. I will take some much better images that are actually clear and clean. Rob
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Vladimir...I found drawing that Mjelde has drawn in his second book..*Clipper ship Captain* about Daniel McLaughlin the captain of the Glory. Great drawings
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This might be of great help. This drawing is said to accurately represent the hull dimensions taken from the builders model of the hull...if true this would confirm my impression that the bow has a greater rake and less of a vertical incline in the stem..... It also corroborates with images..... I think if you mimic this hull design with what you have already gathered....you might be on track....spot on track. This drawing(I think) represents her very well....and is quite beautiful. Rob
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I have this pic in my collection. Not very clear...but I have several others I can share that show her bow much better...check these out.
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I love the composite mast too...here is a pic of one on display...you can see the iron pins and bands that they required.
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I have that book...I'll look and post anything I find that is pertinent. Rob
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Yeah...I love this pic it definitely shows the gunwales very nicely..... That board just behind the pump is a guard to prevent the fish from sliding under the pump...the trough is just on the other side where the fish came down to the deck and were picked through. Rob
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Canary image just aft of the main mast..showing the boy cabin removed from over the main hatch.
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A rare image from her poop deck toward the main house...
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A fellow Glory hound drew this of her figurehead
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Vladimir..here is a rare image of her relatively close...when she was a canary. Then a cold storage ship
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Yes...I built her after much of her previous additions had been removed. Mjelde shows these differences on his drawing of her deck features...where later and earlier additions were added or removed. Glory had a colorful history, with many modifications....so modeling her with the helm cabin addition or with the boys cabin with its gangway to the roof addition or with her boats partly over her poop and over boat skids...mods,,,or when her boats were stored on top of the boys cabin. So many phases to build her in. It appears you drew her at the height of her modifications. Love the test model for the stern....... Doing the same for the bow might enlighten us to her full bodied entrance. Great job for sure.... Did you see my correction and manner of deducing the bow issue? Rob
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Now check your angle based upon the angle devised from the photograph Rob
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Your drawing is magnificent and at 1/65 makes is pretty significant. I see you drew her with the chicken coop on the forward hatch and the boys cabin on the aft hatchway...to also include the gangway that let to its roof. Splendid...what year would you place her at? Upon further evaluation.....I noticed that the angle of the stem might be a bit too vertical.....This can be easily calculated by doing a vertical test from the image I posted of her(again). To check the angle of the bow entry...first locate the anchor hanging from the port cathead in the image...now by using the shank body of the anchor as a plumbob....draw a line down through its center to the ground. This will give you the actual plum or true vertical in the picture. Now compare this vertical to the angle of the bow. This can be done by measuring the distance the stem is from the plum anchor and then measure from the stem down at keel level and again with the plum line from the anchor...from these two measurements you can devise the angle of difference...establishing with some accuracy the true stem angle. You're doing a great job..... Here is a drawing of what I mean...you can see the angle is a bit greater then I think you may have..... So excited. Rob
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One thing I noticed and we might want to reconsider is the amount of curve of the frames forward. If you notice the photo I posted of the Glory on her launching...with McKay in the picture....if you look closely at the pole shadow by the gangway forward...you can see the shadow of that pole against the hull and it clearly shows the greater curve extending up from the keel...….follow along the hull toward the stern and you will notice the additional shadows along her hull. From keen deduction...it appears that Glory has a far more extreme curve amidships then even Sovereign. With towering sides much like a man of war...that she had been described as having. I think...if you see what I am seeing...you may also conclude that your drawing of her frames might need some adjusting to include these obvious differences. Glory has a stem or bow shape mush similar to that of the Challenge...but becomes much fuller quite quickly like the Sovereign....but even more so. Rob.
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Looks sweet.....now for some elevations and bulkhead spacing with the stem and stern for perspective........ Knowing the Glory's length and profile...it is a simple matter of combining these aspects to give us the profile. Looking a bit further at your final rendering..she is looking very similar to the medium clipper Andrew Jackson...accept for the stem, which is a bit more rounded at the entrance of the vertical. Here are some line drawings of several clippers so illustrate the cutwater and stem angle of the bow....disregard the deadrise where not applicable.
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If I were to make the drawing...I would draw out the Sovereigns bulkhead/frame plan excluding the sovereign's bow and incorporate a more harmonious bow that represents the Glory...probably by utilizing her images. Sovereigns bow is more like that of the Lightning...sharp and curvey. But the Glory bow or stem is more vertical, like Star of Empire/Chariot of Fame. Kinda like Young America. Couple those two elements and I think you might have something very close to what the hull of Glory looked like. You're doing a great job. Rob
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Vladimir...you have done a wonderful thing, in your complete research. Your comparisons are quite compelling. My initial quandary concerning the Sovereign appears to be the more likely. I say this with some reserve, however the Sovereign was built in 1852 at the height of McKay's design career. Secondly she was slightly larger then Glory, at 2421 tons, compared to Glory's 2102 tons. Knowing that McKay rarely used the same design, always trying to better the last...but with Glory, he was trying to make a final *push*, a final last statement of sailing perfection, and I can't but think he drew(In part) from what he knew worked in the past..... As was his habit he did make slight changes in her design and model and Glory was a full bodied Medium clipper, where as the Sovereign was an extreme clipper design...and that distinction lies in her entry and exit....not so much in her rotund midship framing. I think if the forward framing was bulked up to bring the flatness of the bottom farther forward and the entry of the concaved forward frames was filled out a bit you might have it. Once a drawing is complete I would be more then interested in seeing it, if you go that far. Great job. Rob
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I see your #5 drawing comparison shows the Sovereign and the Glory with very close frame designs amidships. This makes sense since the sovereign was known as the fastest clipper, holding several records for speed and miles traveled in a 24 hour period. I can only assume Donald McKay desired to model Glory after a known successful design. He did, however change the bow entry to more of a vertical incline then reduced as was the Sovereign. Great work...I hope to glean from what you come up with. Rob
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You are doing a great work...exactly what I would do. Amidship frames are quite evident in deadrise...I want to see what you do with the bow and convexity and concaved aspects of the bow comparisons... Great job for sure. Love it. Rob
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Found this schooner up in Pt Townsend. Pretty cool name .
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Interesting thoughts. I have a book with plans for the BFP..problem is the cutwater or the angle of the bow is not right for the Glory...plus the deadrize..the angle of the hull from the keel is far more extreme then is found on the Glory. The Glory is considered to be in the design of the Downeasters...and a fore runner of said design...so has more the deadrise of the Champion of the Seas then the Packard. The book *How to make a clipper ship model* has plans for the *Sovereign of the Seas*, which is again a fuller design the Packard. Personally, I feel the Great Republic hull design is more in keeping with the Glory's design. If one changes the spherical curvedbow to a sharper bow of the Glory and one removes the weather deck of the GR and installs a typical gunwale......you might have a very close replica of the Glory's hull design. One needs to combine the full body design of the Glory/GR with less of an extreme design entry of the GR and the Sovereign of the Seas. More bow design like that of the Young America. Fun stuff for sure. Rob
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I might even consider building just a hull model of her....myself. From draying I make and plank on bulkhead design. Rob
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Vladimir...your desire to build a replica of the Glory is commendable...and will take some real research, even though Mjelde's book does cover her deck plan very well...the hull is left to the imagination. This will rely on your observation skills, not to mention some deductive conclusions. When I built the Glory...my desire at the time was to use an existing Revell Cutty Sark hull and modify it enough to correct the cutwater of the bow and correct the under emphasized gunwale...not to mention the correction of the forecastle and poop. Correction of the deadrise could not be made with that plastic hull....so I simply accepted what I had. but if I were to do it all over again...I'd find or develop plans for a heavy bodied Downeaster hull design. Photographic images of the Glory's hull(as she is on the beach), and at her launching, shows she was of a fuller design....not the extreme clipper design of the Cutty Sark. It can be done..but work and research will have to be employed. I hope you look into it further. Rob
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