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HMCSS Victoria 1855 by BANYAN - 1:72
rwiederrich replied to BANYAN's topic in - Build logs for subjects built 1851 - 1900
Wonderful work. I appreciate the ruler for scale purposes. You know....after searching the entire thread...I can't find the scale you are building her in...what scale is she? Rob(slow to catch a clew)- 993 replies
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Yes....Pat, sometimes images we have are not clear enough and tend to lead us in directions that were not factual. I too have seen images that made backstays look as if they ended in double block-n-tackle purchases. When through more study of the actual practice on board...it was made clear that the downhauls and halyards associated with topsail yards and topgallant yards was more apt to be the rigging that was causing the confusion. From knowledge of ship rigging structures it only took simple deduction to definitively recognize what I was looking at. In your case, you can deduce, by contrasting your vessel with other known vessel types. Also, it is not a stretch to gather that only one winch was indeed available for each mast..seeing that she was limited in her spar numbers. Knowing that the winch retained its cable, and used a shackle to connect to the halyard....it can be further deduced that these particular winches were dedicated to topsail and topgallant sail yard hauling. Rob
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Thanks Pat You have any images of your Victoria? Love to see
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Similarly....the main topsail yard needed to have its halyards and purchases added as well in similar fashion...with one difference. I chose to represent the port main deck winch involved with the lift of the yard. All of this detail had to be added before the backstays were installed. It would have been a nightmare of the highest caliber, if these details had been overlooked and attempted to be added later.
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Prior to the addition of the backstays....I needed to finish adding the fore topsail halyard and the topgallant halyard and their purchases. With the addition of padeyes and blocks to accompany them.
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While I manufacture additions to the bowsprit/jib boom....I continued along with the addition of the backstays that will support the masts as new stays are added. (Like I said....it is a back and forth process between addition of stays and backstays.
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Today was a slow day for progress...lots of thought had to go into my next moves. It first began with removal of the bowsprit from the hull. Before I begin to add so much to the bowsprit and jib boom...I needed to add parts to it and many blocks and bull heads. so off she came. It would have make these additions go waaay easier. I know she looks weird without it but it is the best move forward.
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Steam.... I appreciate that very much...sometimes I feel as if I'm a shackey mess...on the verge of breaking everything....quite stressful actually. Rob
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I hope the images were adequate. My ramblings are not meant to be an indictment to those who use out of scale cloth sails...just my observations formed by 45 years of doing things against the current. Again..thanks to all who commented and for all the likes...... Rob
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One thing I might point out....I purposefully set the sails at a 20degree cant so that sails never fully overlap. I also placed name plates of the model on both sides of the display base so that I could turn the model for a starboard or port viewing. If the model is at a port viewing stance, then you can see fully the running rigging and inner sail rigging detail very easily on all masts. The back side of the sails has just as much detail as the front with all its buntlines and reef points. The opacity of the sails adds to the realistic impression. I tried to adequately overcome many of the supposed pitfalls accompanied with sail addition to models, like, *sails block rigging detail*, *sails diminish overall detail*, *Poor sails lessen the overall model*, and many similar distractive criticisms. I only hope more builders become ambitious and try paper sails on their own models and that they can work past the dogma that over sized, out of scale sails is all they have to work with...so they opt out. A sailing ship is beautified by her sails....they are what make her what she is. So model them too. Rob
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Bob...If I hadn't created these paper sails before on other models...and by that, gaining the necessary experience....I surely would have never put sails on this particular model using cloth. Large weave, heavy, un-naturally wrinkly sails that just hang lifeless on your model can be an extreme disappointing distraction. Much labor is even required to install such out of scale sails......labor that was needlessly expended IMHV. I agree with your assessment....I'm very pleased with the results... Since these sails are made of paper and not cloth, makes no difference. It is the final result not the material that draws the welcome compliments and admiration of the beholder, not to mention a far superior realistic sail that captures motion and action. It's definitely labor intensive...but also very forgiving. This is why I adopted *off ship* techniques. Add the sail details while the mast is off the ship so as much detail can be added without the general incumbrancers found while working on the model proper. I try to work smarter not harder, and as you well know clipper ships had an intensive rigging scheme. Ed on his Young America would be the first to agree....I'm trying to attain the same attention to rigging detail as he.....just in a much smaller scale. Thank you Bob for your extremely nice comments. Your encouragement means the world to me. Rob
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Thanks so much Kieth . I’m doing everything I know to make them as accurate as possible within the limits of this scale.
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Sure..here are some pics of the closest I have of the sails mounted. These little guys are about 1/16" diameter.
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I make each one singularly.....paint them..then add them to the panel lines of the sails. Rob
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I appreciate that....I've worked hard to make them as convincing as possible...both in detail as well as billow effect. Rob
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Thanks Pat....I appreciate that. The stays need to be threaded through the cringles prior to install and that can be problematic...that is why I pre-make the stays with hooks and eyes so I can re-attach them after the stay sail/jib sail is installed. I've got the process all figured out...it just takes a while to perform. Rob
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What a fine miniature collection Patrick...and with finished interiors to boot....man. What skill to create such tiny nautical wonders....well done. Rob
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Now I'm going to focus on rigging (alternately) the fore stays and fore backstays along with the final foremast remaining yard halyards. As I get higher up the masts the issue of bending and sagging of stays becomes the real problem. So much pre-thought has to go into the next phase of rigging. Stay sail and jibs sails will need their halyard and downhaul blocks rigged as well...and not too early or late..as to block myself in or out of a situation. Belaying the topgallant downhaul line to its lin aft on the rail between the rail and house was the thing of total frustration. Rob
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Thanks.....I'm wrestling with the details...and trying to keep things shipshape. I'm making stuff up as I go....construction details that is... Rob
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In many instances the sky sail wasn't even set and the yard in its lowered position could be gotten to more easily. Once the sail was bent, the boys on the deck hauled the yard skyward....raising the sail with it. I've seen where the access to these lofty yards was gained by ratlines incorporated into the last two backstays as they capped out. Sailors simply scurried over to them and continued up. Riiiight. IRON MEN...for sure. Rob
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Thanks everyone for the concern and encouragements. I spent some time this morning working on the top stay sail. I made it as close to realistic as possible in this scale. Here are some pics of the addition. Rob
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