Dr PR

There is a Golden Hind replica ship in London. I visited it many years ago when it was sailing along the pacific coast of North America. You might try to contact them and ask what size deck planks were used. Presumably the builders did some historical research.

I have trimmed or removed some of the MDF bulkheads. A couple were shaped to look like ribs. This may seem rather anal since they will be hidden under the floor boards. But you can see the ribs through the cracks in the floorboards if you look at the right angle. After the seats and other parts are attached you won't be able to see much of them! I coated the inside of the hull with a clear acrylic sealer in preparation for painting. The forward deck grating has been trimmed to fit between the ribs. The edges of the center floorboards piece were beveled so it sits flat between the ribs. The small aft grating has been glued in place. It was a bit too wide fore to aft, probably because the space was a bit narrower due to the angles of the bulkhead and transom after gluing. I am procrastinating on gluing the deck pieces into place until after the inside of the hull has been painted. I jumped ahead in the instructions looking for things that can be done before painting the boat. The instructions say to use a couple of spare planks to make the wales. What spare planks? Fortunately there is a suitable narrow strip in the 1 mm pear sheet that was between the planks and seat support/ribs. The wales were bent in place on the hull using the plank bending tool. Then they were glued in place. Here I went over to the dark side and used a drop of CA gel to attach the front end of the wale to the stem. After this set I used Titebond glue to attach the rest of the strip to the hull. The Titebond takes about a minute to set up enough to hold the strips in place, and this gives time to position them. The top of the wales were positioned even with the bottom of the top planking strip. I decided to add a cap rail to the top of the planking and ribs. This isn't mentioned in the instructions, but desalgu added them when he built this kit for his Dutchess of Kingston build. Instead of cutting rowlock positions into the top plank he added thole pins to the cap rails. However May's Boats of Men-of-War says cutters had an additional plank above what was normal for other boats to increase the freeboard, and rowlock openings were cut into this plank so the oars would not ride too high and make rowing more difficult. Two extra seat support strips were used to make the cap rails. I made a bending fixture with some pins driven into a piece of scrap wood. These pieces were bent flat across the wide dimension. Again, they were wetted and shaped with the plank bending tool several times until they held their shape. Rowlock openings will be cut through the cap rail and the top plank - cutter style. Here is a photo showing the cap rails and wales after gluing in place. The aft ends will be trimmed after the glue has set.

Shipman, I share your feelings about 3D printing and resin castings. However, I do have a low end 3D resin printer, and it allows me to make detailed scale pieces that would be just about impossible any other way. For my 1:96 scale cruiser model I have printed fire strainers that are less than 4 mm long, complete with scale nuts, bolts, valves and hand wheels. The scale propellers have blades only 0.010 inch thick. Machining them out of metal would be nearly impossible because the metal will flex away from the tool. Lost wax casting doesn't work well with things that wide and thin. I have found no other way to produce these parts in exact scale. However, I do question the durability and survivability of 3D printed parts. The resin decomposes with exposure to UV so it must be painted. And the stuff is extremely fragile and breaks with the slightest touch. I try to avoid it as much as possible. I have some vacuformed hull boat kits for the cruiser model, but I haven't assembled them. I think I can do better from scratch with wood and plastic. So why not use one of these techniques since the hull will be painted anyway? I like working with wood, and the kit made the process go quicker than building from scratch (which I have done on previous builds). I am amused at your obsession with the pointed plank "fudge" in the boat hull. Are you equally concerned with the photoetch "fudge" part for the deck planking? The boat will be painted - boats were painted to protect the wood from rotting, and sometimes just because the owner/captain/crew wanted to paint them. And the deck planks will hide the pointed hull plank on the inside - one fudge cancels another. My purpose (and that is all that matters to me) is to make a small boat of approximately the correct scale to hang from the stern davits on the schooner model. The model would not be complete without a boat, but in reality a vessel like the schooner would probably have several boats, plus more than two anchors, etc. Virtually everything on the schooner model is just an approximation of a real vessel. I don't have the original plans (if there were any) so the entire model is guesswork. The deck and hull planks are not exactly to scale. The cannons in the kit are silly looking - nothing like the real things. I didn't make my own ropes, starting with tiny fibers and winding the ropes in alternate directions to build up a true scale rope structure. And the blocks don't have working sheaves. The paint is acrylic, which wasn't available in the early 1800s. The hull is glued together rather than using scale bolts and trenails. In fact, to be honest, there is nothing in the model (and virtually every other model ever built) that is 100% perfect scale and original materials. In that respect every model is a "fudge."

Shipman, Thanks for posting this information. Somehow, after decades of shaping and bending planks to fit on a hull these pre-spiled kits seem like cheating! But it does look like these kits would make nice model boats.

Part of the problem with the white pot metal (pewter?) fittings used on older models came from the cases they were mounted in. Some of the woods or finishes gave off acetic acid fumes. The cases were air tight, so the acid fumes built up and turned the metals (zinc, lead and tin) into metal acetate salt powders. The moral of the story is to use acid free materials and ventilate the cases.

I don't know about the period of your ship, but in modern times the anchor chain is washed with a fire hose as it comes up out of the water and then painted as it is being hauled in. It goes into the chain locker with wet paint. The part on deck dries with a shine.

Bill, I have seen larger clinker built kits that had laser cut bulkheads and planks. with the notched bulkheads and tapered planks these assembled easily since all the guesswork had already been done by the kit designer. I haven't seen a small small boat kit but there might be one out there. If you find one let us know! I am still obsessing over how the deck pieces will fit into the hull with ribs. The small aft grating (right hand photo below, aft arrow) is supposed to fit between bulkhead C14 and the transom. But as the picture shows it just falls into the space at an angle. Looking through Boats of Men-of War I see a few boats did have this double bulkhead-transom arrangement. The after bulkhead seems to have served as a seat back. Some boats had the open space between the bulkhead and transom and some had it decked over. I will either glue a small strip to the back of bulkhead C14 to support the front edge of the grating or just plank over the opening. Working in that tight space may be challenging. I did reposition some of the ribs to get more even spacing, and I faired the forward ribs so they fit into the hull at a better angle. The center deck section fits nicely into the hull with ribs, but is curved down a bit in the center. The larger aft grating sits on top of the ribs, and just fortuitously happens to snug in behind two of the ribs that hold it in place. The bow grating is a problem! As you can see in the left hand photo above it wants to ride back on the ribs quite a distance from the bow where it is supposed to fit. In the right hand photo I have placed a bit of scrap 2 mm MDF under the grating and it sits closer to the bow. Photos in the instructions (below) seem to show the forward ribs trimmed back to allow the front grating to sit lower and more forward. I may do this if I can't figure out how to cut slits in the ribs to allow the grating to slip forward into place. The next step in the instructions is to install the seat support strips. It says to mount them about 3 mm below the top of the hull planking. I clamped the strips into the hull and bent them to shape with the planking iron. After the glue set for the seat support strips I test fitted the seat parts in the hull. I will need to adjust the seat positions after the floor pieces are installed. The center seat with the mast support should be positioned above the mast foot detail in the deck planking photo etch part. The after seat piece won't fit into the hull with the ribs installed. I knew this would happen after reading the instructions. I will cut notches for the ribs in the sides of the seats so the part will fit down onto the seat support strips. The large after seat part is made from 1 mm pear wood, and the narrow seat at the front runs across the grain. While I was removing laser char this part broke along the grain. I have glued some scrap strips on the bottom over the break. Cutting the notches for the ribs will be tricky. Plywood would have been a lot stronger. I have plenty of thin plywood so maybe I will just make another part.

Dowmer, Bill's post about clinker built cutters was good, and Craig's answer was correct - for British boats of the 1700s and later 1800s. And everyone should be happy that Vanguard also has clinker built cutters - with 3D printed hulls. https://vanguardmodels.co.uk/products/18-cutter Think about it a minute - do you really want to try to build a 3 inch (74 mm) long clinker built hull with 1.5 mm wooden planks? Even though my carvel built boat came out OK, I screwed up the plank tapering. On a large model hull a fraction of a mm difference in plank width doesn't create a problem. But when the planks are only 1.1 mm wide to start with, any errors accumulate fast!

Craig, I certainly am not an authority on small boats or cutters, but I do have W. E. May's The Boats of Men-of-War, Naval Institute Press, Annapolis, Maryland, 1999. It is mainly (entirely?) focused on British boats. It says early 1700s cutters were initially clinker built because they were made at Deal for the admiralty, and that was the tradition at Deal (pages 32, 34 and 66). Eventually any type of boat that was clinker built was called "cutter built," including boats of different types significantly different from the small cutters. But later boats were commissioned at other boat yards, and the naval yards used carvel construction (page 34). In some cases the location where the boat was to be used determined the type of construction. For use in the English Channel boats were built clinker style, but for foreign service the same type of boat was built carvel style (page 40). Some cutters were carvel built (page 66). Clinker built boats were lighter than carvel built, but they required more expensive metal hardware. By the early 1800s clinker built boats were out of favor because they were thought to be less durable and harder to repair. All boats to be used in foreign service were to be carvel built. In the early 1800s cutters were ordered to be carvel built, and cutters so built were sometimes called "jollyboats" (page 67). These were heavier than clinker built boats, and were out of favor by the mid 1800s. And so on ... All of this is just about British Royal Navy boats. In fact, small boats actually were being built elsewhere, for other uses than the Royal Navy! Really! This is why I am writing this. It really twists my tail when someone suggests all "xx" from everywhere throughout all of history were built/done in a single way. My response is to say "prove it!" My experience has been that no two ships/boats of the same type were ever built the same way in different shipyards. But I cannot prove it never happened. Cutters were clinker or carvel built, depending on when, where and who was building them. I am building this boat for a hypothetical American topsail schooner of about 1815, made somewhere on the US east coast, by some boatyard. Who knows how those boat builders made small boats?

Valeriy, You are a brave (but very experienced) man to twist the blades after they have been soldered to the hub! But I have seen your posts in other builds so I have no doubt they will turn out excellent!

Bill, Lapped planks (clinker or lapstrake construction) were (are) very common on small boats - and even some pretty large fishing vessels and such. I think it is just the preference of the builder or the local tradition that decides how the hulls would be planked. However, for this kit you would have to find new wood for the planking. The planks that are supplied are only enough to fill the distance from the shoulder on the bulkheads to the keel, placed edge to edge with no overlap (carvel construction). You certainly could use the kit bulkheads as the framework for lapstrake planking. The supplied 1.1 mm wide planks are too narrow (in my opinion) for lapstrake planking. You would probably want something like 1.5 to 1.6 mm wide planks, and about 0.5 mm thick.

Welcome aboard Mark!

Very nice gun tackles on the carronades!

Mark, I thought that saying was "Je später der Abend, desto schöner die Fräuline"

The next step in the instructions is to install the ribs inside the hull. These are laser cut 1.1 mm wide strips of the 0.6 mm thick pearwood. After reading the full instructions I realized that the floor parts will interact with the ribs. There are four photoetch brass pieces for the floors. The center floor should fit between the MDF bulkheads as shown in the left photo above. I had to shave a bit off the bulkheads (arrows) for the deck to fit between them. The photo on the right shows where the two end floors should fit at the bow and stern. These pieces do not rest on the MDF bulkhead parts, but are suspended at the sides from the planking. They probably will need some supports. The arrows on the picture at the right also show where I will install ring bolts for the boat tackle hanging from the schooner's stern davits. They will be glued into the MDF bulkhead pieces. This will require modifying the photoetch deck pieces. I think the ribs will need to be trimmed all along the edges of the floor pieces for everything to fit together. But at this point I don't know how this will be done. So I just proceeded with installing the ribs and will deal with the interferences and fits later. I wet the strips with water and used the plank bending/quilting iron to shape them to fit inside the hull. They were glued in place with Titebond glue. There was just enough of the rib strips to complete the job. I think the intent of the design was to extend the ribs down only enough for the lower ends to be hidden under the deck planks. As you can see, I extended the ribs down to the keel, and there almost wasn't enough of the strips. I had some trouble getting the strips to fit into the hull at the proper angles. The problem stems from the ribs not being faired (shaped) to the angle of the hull planking. The strips try to fit flush with the plank surfaces, and that causes them to angle inward, especially at the bow. Fortunately the Titebond glue will loosen when water is added to the joint. Of course you have to be careful here because the planks are also being held together with the glue! The decking will hide the lower ends of the ribs, but there still is some reworking needed to get better angles for these ribs. After I see how the deck parts fit I think I will use the motor tool to remove more of the MDF bulkhead material under the decking so it doesn't show between the deck planks. I also know that the after seat piece will have to be notched to fit over the ribs.