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Vladimir, That's very elegant work on the boot. If you don't mind my asking, why cut this in half? Since the masts aren't already permanently mounted yet, couldn't you just slide them in one piece and just glue them down once masts are installed? Just wondering. -
Vladimir, Most observers won't notice undersized rigging as quickly as they would oversized blocks and tackles. I agree with your evaluation to stick to scale with block sizes. As an allternative to thread, would fishing line or possibly thin guage wire work as an alternative? Rob or other veteran modelers might have some helpful insights.
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Vladimir, Don't be so hard on yourself. You, my friend are not mediocre or by any means a lousy apprentice. If it hadn't been for your brilliant cgi bulkhead input, who know where Rob would be at? The minutia you're dealing with has a lot to do with paying close attention to numerous details. Details like those stern bumpkins extend out much further beyond the deck than your picture seems to display. To answer your other question, when these vessels were out to sea for months, it was common practice to erect small houses, like chicken coops over their hatches, so your small kitchen house would be correct. I particularly appreciate your excellent reworking of the stern rails and you did a very clean job of relocating that annoying 3rd fairlead. In addition, you're doing an excellent job on that longhouse behind the foremast. From Rob's observance, the main fife rail needs to be shortened to end just after the main pump wheels. My only other issue is that the rear coach house companion height be adjusted so that the turned stanchion rail comfortably intersects it, as demonstrated in my rear coach house elevation. Don't be discouraged, I'm sure Rob would agree, you're doing excellent work!
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Rob, From this image of Steve Priske's beautifully crafted Western Shore model, she's very reminiscent of the McKay hulls of his extreme Clippers Lightning and Flying Cloud at least from viewing her bow and particularly the extreme rake of her underwater prow. I remember viewing many lovely scenes of Steve's build about a decade ago which apparently are no longer available. Your mention of the fellow Mike Preske's research intrigues me, as until I read about him in your post, I never heard his of name before. Do you think Steve's pending book will include more particulars about his own model build or put a bigger emphasis on the sadly all too brief history of "The Oregon Clipper?" I ask because, depending on interest level, I could possibly use it as a guideline for our own possible publication on your recently completed beauty Glory of the Seas.
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Rob, you might want to invest in one of those fancy permanent silver pens. You know, the type celebrities use to sign their autographs? I'm sure Mike would be honored to sign your masterpiece, maybe on the stand where it would be visible but not detract from your model's beauty.
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Rob, Thanks for the encouraging words. It will now seem like an eternity til then. I also broached the subject with Mike about getting museums to loan artifacts to support your model's loan. I'll let you know his response.
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Rob, Vladimir, Druxey, I finally received a reply from the Nautical Research Journal editor. He explained that due to serious family issues he had to delay production of the magazine for months and then had to produce two issues in a short timeframe. As a result, my article was inadvertently delayed. Bottom line: the article is now scheduled to appear in the first 2023 publication. That should appear in February.
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MikeR, excellent detail work on your deck pieces. I particularly appreciate the brass center of your ship's wheel. It lends even more convincing authenticity to the structure.
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Rob, From the bottom of my heart, I want you to know how much of an honor and privilege it has been, to participate in this fascinating journey of discovery and exploration of Donald McKays final masterpiece. Without exaggeration, this has been one of the most exciting experiences of my life. Your decades long dedication to investigating Glory of the Seas in order to achieve the highest level of accuracy inspired a small group of us to join you in pursuing a mutual objective of rediscovering the full authentic beauty of McKay's incredible final Clipper. Such dedication even brought in Arina "The Author's Daughter" who then introduced you to her famous author father Michael Mjelde. His contribution to our efforts has been immeasurable. Never in my wildest dreams would I have ever imagined we'd be collaborating with the single man who has devoted 60 years of his life to the history of a single Clipper. His brilliant, ultra rare historic images allowed us to achieve high levels of accuracy never anticipated before. All along I said quite confidently, that you (and Vladimir) are creating two of the finest museum quality replicas of this impressive vessel. I am proud to have been associated with your amazing project.
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Vladimir, I have the same prow image where the foremast has been edited down to give a closer view of the forecastle. This makes it easier to see the 3rd fairlead cut out on the starboard side. Conversely, there's no fairlead cut out any further back. This is conclusive photographic proof of Rob's statement about the accurate location of the 3rd fairlead.
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Vladimir, Your meticulous attention to the smallest deck details is commendable. I'm particularly impressed with the reworking of the deck fairing to incorporate an authentic ship's carpentry joinery as her hull narrows. Very impressive.
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Vladimir, With Rob's rapid production pace, it's easy to forget there's another just as beautifully crafted model vessel waiting in the wings, so to speak. These latest hull images truly demonstrate your artisan level of craftsmanship. Lovely details like your reproduction of her wrought iron anchor hawsehole contribute to her authenticity. It's also a magnificent tribute to Donald McKay's spectacular Clipper Ship as well. I particularly appreciate the dead on view of your replica's hull. If it weren't for the background you could almost believe it was the real vessel herself.
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Vlad, I'm humbled and honored at your enthusiasm for my work. Actually, look closer you'll see this simple rendering was done on the back of an envelope. Refer back to the photo which inspired this and you'll see that the short stanchion cant or slant , if you prefer is more pronounced then even my work depicts. It was this discovery which led to my conversation with Rob. That's when he clarified indenting the rail was done for rigging clearance.
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Vlad, This pic is from the early 1900s (I think 1913 but I have to verify that with original sent from Mike). Glory of the Seas has long since been converted to a floating factory barge, that's identifiable by all the new structure added to her decks in front of the original coach house. Original structures include her wheelhouse, now extended and her curving rear coach house with original turned rail stanchions. Everything else are eyesore additions purposefully added to facilitate her floating salmon processing and canning operation. By the way, I would never dream of ordering you to tear down and rebuild your creation. I just thought, since you had removed so much of your other buildings, you could slightly modify the rear half of the coach house. That's where it appears to curve on the real vessel herself. The front half doesn't have to be touched at all. Just a thought.
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Vladimir, Since your creative process includes a major tear down of previously constructed structures, I figured you might also want to revise the configuration of your rear coach house as well. At first, it looked like Mike's never seen before stern image arrived too late to have an impact on your model's accuracy but now I'm thinking maybe not. Looking at the catwalks on both sides of the coach house viewed from astern, it's quite clear they remain a consistent width. The house itself has a beautiful curving feature which matches the ship's narrowing bulkheads. It's not a rectangle at all, the front is slightly wider than the rear. Even Flying Fish plans are somewhat vague about this common sense feature. Clearly Donald McKay intended to have consistent working area for the crew, which he valued more than the slight inconvenience of narrowing space for stern occupants.
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Rob, I like this image even better. My only issue (there always seems to be one) 😉 the background vessel needs to be raised, since it looks disturbingly like it's foundered. I realize you want to avoid it being a distraction but to me the current position looks.... unnatural.
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Bob Cleek, McKay's original Wheelhouse design had the ship's wheel in a recessed area in front of the wheelhouse. Effectively, the helmsman was still completely exposed to the elements in front. Back wall and two sides about 3' deep were all the protection the original design afforded. When the wheelhouse was extended to the back of the rear companionway, they had the foresight to install 4 large windows in front. Ship's wheel and helmsman's position never changed from the position on the poop deck. Big difference was now the sailor manning the helm was completely protected.
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Rob, that one image is simply amazing! It exceeds expectations. This proves "beyond the shadow of a doubt" that besides the obvious fact that you are indeed a hell of a model shipwright, all of our concerted efforts to correctly reinterpret all facets of McKay's last glorious Clipper have resulted in the most accurate replica conceivable! All I can say is.... wow, just wow!!!! That and it's been an honor and one of the most exciting experiences in my life to collaborate with you, Vlad, Druxey and every other member of this revolutionary enterprise!
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Vladimir, exquisitely beautiful and meticulously consistent reworking of your coach house stanchions. They definitely appear to be more in scale now. An added bonus is that the shorter poop deck stanchions now look more accurate in comparison.
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Rob, When we originally discussed submitting a Nautical Research Journal article, I remember discussing submitting a follow up one including completion of your magificent replica. That was pending response for my first submission. However, since the editor sent receipt confirmation that it met their July 1st submission deadline, I've heard nothing since. From their publication calendars, the next issue should be December. I will reach out to see if the editor can let me know if the article might appear then, in a later issue or not at all... Meanwhile, Rob if you want we can collaborate on a 2nd follow up or do a plan for displaying your model in a local museum. As for developing an actual fully illustrated book, nothing would excite me more. Others can correct me if I exaggerate but I honestly can't think of another more thoroughly documented, examined and reconstructed vessel than McKay's Glory of the Seas.
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Rob, I'll never tire of seeing these wonderful overall photos of your breathtakingly magnificent Clipper Ship Glory of the Seas!
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Vladimir & Rob, it's evident from this 1869 fitting out scene, that the rear tip of the lifeboats did rest on the front edge of the rear coach house roof and a boat skid in the forward area. The photo's not defined enough to see it but by viewing the long drooping line at the fore davit, following over to the sternward side, between a sailor seated on the gunnal and another standing to his immediate left, there's a rectangular void interrupting the dark curving shadow under the upside down lifeboat which exactly matches the shape of the boat skid supporting it. Since the spaces between posts were 3 feet, it should be possible to mount lifeboats in between them giving an added advantage of supporting objects with which to lash down boats.
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Vladimir, as Rob said earlier, it's really nice to see your Glory of the Seas back in the shipyard under construction again. Your work is methodical, clean and elegant.
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Rick310 I echo Rob and Pat's sentiment. Very clean work indeed.
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