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Rob, your name board is spelled correctly. However "empass" really to be correct should have been "impasse." Since you asked, I figured since you asked...- 3,560 replies
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Rob, Going back to only internal view of Glory's f'o'cstle, there does seem to be photographic evidence supporting a fife rail of sorts, in two locations. Most obvious is where two major lines mount to a rail in mid center. Between the two lines are a mound of rope coils which indicates lines which might be too light to see. The second possibility is a thick horizontal curving structure just at the bow. Although, there doesn't appear to be any belaying pins visible. It defies logic that there wouldn't be any place to belay these important lines.
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Rob, now that the fore main yard has been mounted, her resemblance to the real vessel herself is remarkable. Glorious, glorious, simply glorious.
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Vladimir, Doris is a lady who creates phenomenal lifelike sculptures with a form of sculpey clay for her incredible cardboard based sailing ships. Her 1600s Sovereign of the Seas is my personal favorite. She even gives tutorials on her sculpturing process. An advantage to her approach is that the figures are created larger than intended, as they shrink in the heating process. She's on this site with her own dedicated posts.
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Rob, Vladimir et all, I just stumbled on some beautiful close-ups of Lloyd McCaffery's impressive "Glory" carving of Glory of the Seas" classic Grecian Goddess 'Athena' figurehead, found in my wife's phone. As it turned out, my phone's battery was low, so I borrowed Peg's and took these beautiful, sharp images. Which I then forgot were even in her cell phone. Vladimir, these should be a perfect resource to aiding you in recreating your own figurehead.
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George, I agree with Rob, your ultimate solution was simple yet inspired. Well done
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Rob, That's exactly what I was thinking too. The 1880s are a few years after the time period you're modeling.
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Rob, In his latest email, Mike said a sailor, William Joseph who served on Glory of the Seas in 1880, modeled her with red pump wheels. This is not meant to tell you what color to paint your pump wheel, just sharing what Mike told me. I thought you would appreciate knowing.
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Rob, Based on the 1909 date on the right Rob, Based on the 1909 date written on the right border, I believe she's had the height of her masts cut down at least twice by then. Her moonsail yard on her main mast is gone and it almost looks like her foremast is now higher than her main. It also appears like keel hogging has increased the height of her prow and reduced the rake of her prow. To see these changes easier, I lightened up the photo a little.
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Rob, And here I was thinking all along that you intentionally made it a little longer so that it could demonstrate a "real dolphin striker!"
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Rick310 this not meant to get off course on your build log of your beautiful Flying Fish model. Rob and I are just trying to get accurate information to you and the entire modeling community especially interested in recreating accurate versions of McKay's mysterious yet very famous Clippers. I personally view McKay's last Clipper Glory of the Seas as the "Rosetta Stone" of McKay's Clippers. In the description of his premiere Extreme Clipper "Stag Hound" Duncan MacLean mentions "hood ends" and a "cutwater." We cleary see those devices in every single pic of McKay's final Clipper. I believe that these surprisingly overlooked nautical devices were unique to Donald McKay's ships. I'll even go so far as to say that Bruce Von Stetina's magnificent Lightning (the very finest I've ever seen) incorporates the same glaring flaw of omitting both her naval hoods and cutwater. Again her figurehead is awkwardly tacked on below the bowsprit. Ironically, if you look at the plans in McKay's own hands, he left that prow area completely blank! Rob and I hope begin the process of correcting this glaring oversight.
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Here's my interpretation of how the actual prow of McKay's Extreme Clipper Flying Fish would have appeared. 19th Figurehead carving would have been far more lifelike and elaborate than most people realize today. Unfortunately due to the unique McKay bow having been intentionally disguised by the ship master himself, all contemporary Flying Fish models feature just a bare stem. The substantial cutwater and naval hoods are nowhere to be seen. I have sketched how the naval hood components would overlay and join the cutwater which would have been joined to the stem. In one of his descriptions of the ruggedness of this nautical system, Duncan MacLean observed that even the loss of her cutwater would have had no effect on the watertightness of her prow. As the 1913 image of Glory of the Seas confirms, while most of her elaborate carved arch has washed away, the cutwater itself is still intact. That's even after suffering a collision which damaged her splash rail.
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Rick310 Rob's referring to a couple nautical inventions of Donald McKay which we now both belive were unique to his Clipper Ships. I've shared a spectacular 1913 Muir photo of the bow of his final Medium Clipper Glory of the Seas. Her lovely figurehead, naval hoods and cutwater are all clearly displayed. Donald McKay so jealously concealed these naval devices that all current models of his amazing ships are inaccurate when it comes to these lost components. Elaborately carved naval hoods are just above and behind her figurehead, which rests upon and just forward of her cutwaters which mount over and extend her stem. Unfortunately, the otherwise highly detailed plans completely omit both the naval hoods and cutwater, opting instead to tack on her flying fish figurehead awkwardly on her bare stem under her bowsprit. Knowing the power of Cape Horn seas, this would have been lost with the first powerful wave.
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Rob, When family comes over, is your Glory of the Seas project the center of attention? Some day I would love to see her in person. At nearly four feet in length, she must be spectacular.
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Hi Arina! It's always great to hear from you! All I can say is cheer up! At least your dad has his own small following of dedicated groupies! 😉
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George K, Other than Rob's verticle and horizontal mounting braces being thicker than the illustration, his gin blocks do match the configuration on your illustration. You could try thinning out those components to get closer to the plan but then they might not be sturdy enough to withstand the stress of chain mounts running down to the yardarm and down to the belaying point on the deck far below. Maybe Rob Wiederrich can explain his previous attempts to see if he ran into that issue in his own fabrication attempts.
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George K From post #2822 to #2840 Rob describes in great detail his fabrication process for maling "gin blocks". From their function, they sound very similar to the halliard blocks you're looking to make.
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GeorgeK, I see your problem. Instead of ripping up your forecastle deck to get access to those bulwark mounting holes, wouldn't it be simpler to use a short metal piece that just fits in the hole drilled. Then pull the line tight so that the piece is now crosswise to the hole. Maintain tension on it. Maybe put the smallest drop of superglue to reinforce it. As I see it, no body can see the interior that far it so simulating the arrangement should work just fine.
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Rob, The one fact I'm most impressed with, about our group, is how every possible iota of McKay's final Clipper has been thoroughly researched to the nth degree for the most meticulous accuracy possible. As for the beautiful painting going for thousands of dollars, I'm not surprised in the least.
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George K I'm wondering why mounting the lines "inside the ship" wouldn't just as easily refer to her forecastle, which would have been much more accesible, instead of her main deck? It strikes me that, in order not to have the lines chafing against the ceiling of the forecastle, access holes would of necessity had to been made through the forecastle. Knowing how seas would crash over her bow, that would lead to more access points for water to enter into the sailor's berths which were beneath the forecastle. None of that makes sense to me. What does make sense is reinforced verticle posts terminating on the forecastle, as designated mounting points for the ship's lines. Being part of the vessel's superstructure would give it the added benefit of the ability to withstand the stresses of those lines as well. Just my 2c, others can either confirm or refute my observations.
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Rob, What initially blew my mind was Carl Ever's depiction of the deep red metallic hoops on all three lower masts. Until you described planning to paint the hoops on your replica red, I'd never heard of such a thing before. Then, I took acloser look at the Samuel Walter's piece and sure enough, the hoops on that work were also red. Now, Mr. Ever's work also reflects the very loft masts of Glory of the Seas which I see replicated in your own work. It's unfortunate that this brilliant piece is too rich for your blood. Maybe it won't be beyond the reach of Michael Mjelde.
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Hi Rob, Vallejo Gallery has a nicer close-up of the Carl Evers starboard stern Glory of the Seas painting. They also include a nice write-up which describes this vessel as one of the greatest Clipper Ships ever made. Again what impressed me of your overall scenes of your model is the very lofty nature of her masts. These have got to be some of the tallest spars I've ever seen on any Clipper Ship. To get an idea of how massive this vessel was, look closely at the men depicted on the yards furling her sails. They look positively Lilliputian in comparison to the ship herself.
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Rob, Work has kept me busier than usual, I haven't had a chance to comment until now. Thanks for those beautiful overall images of your impressive Glory of the Seas. As usual, mere words are insufficient to express my admiration for what you've accomplished. WOW! Is about the best I can do..... Wow, just wow.....
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Rob, It was meant as a joke. Sometimes my dry humor just simply falls flat on its face.....
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Hey Rob, Did you check to see if that anchor came off Glory of the Seas? ;-)
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