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Rob, Honestly, I don't recall seeing a model of a vessel with such consistently, tightly furled sails. Usually yardarms are either completely empty or feature loosely draped sails instead. Having actually had the distinct pleasure of rolling up genuine thick canvas duct tents with the Boy Scouts in the mid 60s, I can say with some authority that it's no easy task to accomplish. Those iron men on wooden ships knew their stuff. -
Rob, Either you have excellent eyes or a more refined printer to be able and pick out such specific details. I look forward to seeing what you discovered.
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Vladimir, Rob raising his fo'c'sle (forecastle as spelled by Mike) was not based on this latest scene of Glory at Fauntleroy. It was decided by the scene of her Cabin Boy facing forward. That's important due to the fact that the Cabin Boy pic was while Glory of the Seas was still a fully rigged sailing vessel. Later documentation from Mike shows her forward bulkhead height was precisely measured as being 5'9". I particularly appreciate how Rob also incorporated her interior forward bulkhead walls as well.
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Rob, This is perfect. While it's appreciated personally, should a second article continuing on the rigging of your glorious model, such complete images will be enjoyed by magazine readers as well.
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Rob, Honestly, I never tire of seeing your beautiful model, especially the overall shots. Your second attempt at capturing your model in a similar pose as Mike's latest image is quite close. Just take another from a slightly higher angle and you'll get it exactly. What's really thrilling though, is how closely your model consistently is to Glory of the Seas herself. One request I make. When you do these lovely overall shots, can you please include the entire vessel? Thanks!
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Pat, Looking at Glory's fo'c'sle in the latest image shared by Mike, it appears that the ladders were repositioned so that they now both face inward from the bulkheads.
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Rob, since you've decided to take a leap of faith on those annoying cavils, if you like I can share images from deck scenes of Benj. F. Packard, a Maine Downeaster built in the 1880s which still mounted them. You cite William Webb's Extreme Clipper Young America as an example of a vessel from a decade earlier that dispensed with them, as a reason to be concerned that it would be historically inaccurate to include such potentially anachronistic devices on a vessel launched years later. I have a theory about that... Webb was from New York city. Meanwhile, McKay who settled in Boston, originally emigrated from Nova Scotia, a locale famous for their seafaring fishing boats. McKay strikes me as a "traditionalist" who doggedly pursued purely sail powered vessels long after Webb had moved onto steam powered ships. Knowing that fact and the simple practicality of traditional cavils, I'm very confident they were installed on Glory of the Seas.
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Rob, I applaud your willingness to stretch your understanding of what items did and did not go on a sailing Ship built over 150 years ago. Your cavils look very nice. I hope you won't have much of a challenge installing the last 2 just in front of the rear coach house.
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Keith Black, Believe it or not, that inglorious monstrosity is the relocated helmsman's location. Apparently all the added structures for her factory work blocked the helmsman's view entirely. So the Wheelhouse was elevated to the mizzen top. The final insult to a once beautiful, lofty Clipper....
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Rob, In his latest message, copied to you, Mike included this impressive image as additional proof that the mooring bits on Glory's fo'c'sle were double wooden rectangular posts. Even though you had already replaced them, Mike wanted you to see indisputable evidence that you made the right decision. It's from 1922-23 and shows Glory of the Seas near the beach at Fauntelroy, Washington. According to Mike it's one of few scenes taken from above her. This confirms conclusively that you made the right choices, both by raising fo'c'sle height which this image proves and replacing iron mooring bits with double rectangular wooden ones, also clearly visible on her fo'c'sle deck. In addition, her cathead locations are much further back then previous images led us to believe. Your previous measurements showed her first fairlead chock in her splash rail was 9' the second being 6' further back. Visual evidence made it look like the catheads were 4' back from the second fairlead. However, from this beautiful image, the catheads are about 12' back from that second chock. One, I wish this image had been available before I sent my Glory of the Seas plan view to Nautical Research Journal for potential publication; two and three, my large sketch has to be revised yet again, along with the plan view. It just goes to show as more accurate pictures are unearthed, we continue to improve and refine our understanding of her overall appearance. For now, I'm going to send a note to the NRJ editor explaining about this latest discovery and offering to submit revised plans. Meanwhile, it's my considered opinion that, when it comes to specific deck fittings, Mike is the undisputed authority.
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Druxey, From Dictionary of Nautical Terms, cavil: a large cleat for belaying the fore and main tacks, sheets and braces to. (see KEVELS)
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Rob, your model, your choice. I will refer to the Crothers book for his position and will communicate back to Mike. Any further discussion, if something develops, will be in pm, as to not clutter up your board. Fair enough?
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Rob, Mike's latest email asked me why there are no cavils on Glory's main deck bulkheads? I had no decent answer, other than to say "oops!" Then I took a closer look at his main deck plans, which I shared on post #3001. Sure enough, he has depicted 4 cavils, port and starboard. There's a pair in the fore, opposite her fore companion and another pair opposite her stern quarter, just before the rear coach house, opposite her stern quarter hatchway. You can clearly see the stern quarter cavil, as there's nothing to obstruct the view. The fore cavil is almost impossible to make out. However, looking at the call-outs on the plan view, I can make out the 4 cavils. Refer to Clipper Ship Captain Appendix and it's much easier to see. I'm probably going to permanently seal my reputation as "the gadfly" of the Glory of the Seas but (you know there's always a "but") my actions are always done as an act of genuine affection for accomplishing the full authenticity of McKay's final magnificent clipper.
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Rob, I echo Pat's sentiment. It will require access to a Thesaurus in order to source new words to express our awe at your elegant craftsmanship. Just reviewing the meticulous accuracy of your highly detailed Royal yard is stunning. This is even before you add in your brilliantly customized furled and weathered sails. It is indeed a wonder to behold.
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George, Been to Reykjavik, even seen a volcanic isle erupt from the window of a DC-7 back in '65 on our memorable flight to West Germany.
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Arina, TheAuthorsDaughter I personally want to express my most profound gratitude to you, for your interest in Rob Wiederrich's progress on his Glory of the Seas builds and especially your proactive step of arranging for him and your dad to get together. It's no exaggeration to say that it was the turning point in our project. While we would have proceeded apace anyways, I have no doubt the accuracy of our builds would be nowhere near as refined as they are today due to the immeasurable contributions of your dad's historic insights and irreplaceable contemporary photos. If you had told me on June 1st, 2009 a date which was my 24th Anniversary, that one day I would be regularly collaborating with the inspired author on two books about McKay's last Clipper, you could have pinched me because I would have sworn I was just dreaming. I remember that exact day because that's when I first decided to tackle revising Glory's hull to reflect the impressive Samuel Walters' painting which your dad wisely chose to debut on the dust cover of his first book. My wife Peggy and I were spending our first romantic overnight at The Stonington Inn and there were lovely nautical scenes everywhere. Sitting by the crackling fireplace, the mood was just relaxing enough that the idea of correcting the sail plan just felt right. Thirteen years later and here we are. While I haven't heard anything yet from the editor of the Nautical Research Journal, I did my part by submitting a thorough summary of our group's continuing journey in time to meet their deadline. Should that manuscript be published and well received, my intention is to do a follow up article on the masting and rigging of Rob's and hopefully by then Vlad's model. Besides that, Rob and I are in the rudimentary planning stages of setting up a museum display when his vessel is complete. I actually envision quite an elaborate set-up, which I've discussed with Rob. Shoot for the stars, maybe end up on the moon.... The unpublished San Francisco Waterfront manuscript sounds like a fascinating project. I know I would want to read it. Maybe it can be found and published some day. Once again, thanks for your continuing interest in Rob's build group. Best Wishes, Rich
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Rob, As Spock would say "Fascinating!"
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Rob, You need to take out the entire crew and their wives to a nice establishment and treat them all to dinner. It's a well deserved reward! Meanwhile Mike sent us a 1990 Sea Chest article with specific information regarding the fo'c'astle height. Apparently in 1911 a Marine Surveyor was hired to measure the area, to ensure the fit of a new windlass the owners were purchasing. He reported the height as 5 feet 9 inches. That definitely puts it above the original location which would only have been 5 feet even. Now, if the new windlass pillars were intended to abut the supporting beams and not the deck above, then the added height would be 7 inches, making it the height at the fancy rail itself, bringing head room up to 6 feet 6 inches. I agree with you that your overall look for Glory of the Seas now looks far more balanced. Great job!
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Druxey, Ahhy. Them sisters be the three fearful witches they are! For they be sayin' a curse, which witches be cursin' the accursed MacBeth for his deathly accursed greed and the bloody avarice of his accursed wife! Which, this bein' a Shakespearean tragedy and all, of course the curse follows through to their horrific but deserved end.... "Out, damned spot!" "double, double, toil and trouble! Fire burn and cauldron bubble!" I be carried away.... "Fairleads" it is then, matey!
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Druxey, Rob Have we settled on "fairlead" or did Druxey's damn spelczech change it from "farelead?" Nautical inquiring minds want to know. 🙂
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Rob, Just trying to get the nautical lingo correct. Is it "fairleads" or "fareleads?" Because they've been spelled both ways and I just want to get it right.
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Rob Can you correctly identify the metal inserts that accompany the chocks in the splash rail? I read earlier that you referred to those as fairleads. The metal prevents the lines from chafing on the wooden openings. I was referring to your observational skills in identifying and replicating them in your model.
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Rob, Simply beautiful rework. Fairleads you refer to are there on the ship but only if you know where to look for them. Well done!
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Vlad, I hope you don't mind a little assist. Here's your clipper Lightning pics reoriented and lightened a little. The other way was giving me a little neck strain! 😉
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