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Rob, I had a great email contact with the Librarian Curator of the San Francisco Maritime Museum which Mike provided. She's the reason we were able to get those beautiful full color images of Glory's nameboard. In addition she supplied a nice color photo of the framed Samuel Walters oil, which I still consider to be the most beautiful work, as well as the best representation of Glory of the Seas. I'm sure she would be thrilled to see the stunning results of your two year effort. Since McKay's clipper was a popular visitor in San Francisco, they might be more receptive to your offer. However, maybe we should consult Mike first, to get his feedback.
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Vladimir, Wanting to emulate artisan level cabinetry expertise of a master modeler like Ray Langdon's impressive New Hampshire Clipper Witch of the Wave is admirable indeed. I look forward to completion of your current museum quality Glory of the Seas model, which I anticipate will be a wonder to behold and then to follow your next build!
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Vladimir, Your revised figurehead looks really beautiful! Considering your working dimensions of 1 & 1/4" it appears that you've really captured quite a few important details of her unique pose. I particularly appreciate your clever use of a toothpick to apply tiny gold highlights to her garb. Realizing how challenging this process has been, my sole concern is that she seems to have lost her right foot. If your figurehead isn't permanently mounted yet, there's room enough to move her up just enough to fit her foot in. If not, she's a very nice compliment to your vessel's bow as she sits right now. Overall, she's night and day difference and a wondrous improvement over your initial attempt. Fine work indeed!
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Rob, Did Tacoma give you any time-line as to when their model display renovation will be completed? Meanwhile, maybe Mike might have some other ideas?
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Rob, Basing your reconstruction on Glory of the Seas in her later years when there is far more available photographic documentation to faithfully rely on makes eminent sense. As I've been saying going on two years now, I firmly believe that your marvelous model is the very finest museum quality replica in the world. In a similar vein, I see Vlad on pace to accomplish the same, with the only difference, besides scale size, is his brave choice to model the same vessel as she was first launched. Sould we ever write a book on this fascinating journey, I believe her change in appearance, her evolution over decades wiil be of particular interest to everybody.
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Vladimir, Rob will agree that right now, as she sits, your replica is the world's most accurate representation of Donald McKay's final Medium Clipper Glory of the Seas as she originally appeared when launched in November 1869. He can lay claim to fame for having the most scale accurate vessel as she appeared in 1880 after many intriguing modifications but not as she was originally conceived by McKay himself. That honor now belongs exclusively to you. I hope this thought encourages you through the many hours of tedium and drudgery it takes to fully realize your dream.
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Vladimir, I'm glad you appreciate my positive observations. In fairness, they're all well deserved by the hard work you're doing. As can be seen by the tedious shackle manufacturing process you're currently engaged in, scratch building is an artisan event which requires incredible patience and perseverance.
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Vladimir, I applaud yourr insight in catching the subtle, nearly unnoticeable curvature of the deck house roofs. As Rob pointed out, the boat skids have slight cut outs on each side to clear the moulding which surrounds both the main house and rear coach house. Great work on your fore deck house! It is truly an impressive size and you have captured it vey nicely.
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Rob, I asked Mike for sharper images of these particular scenes. He didn't have anything better but said if he does come across them, he'll gladly share them. I agree that, as originally designed, Glory of the Seas had a much simpler deck scheme with far more open spaces. It will be fascinating to see how the two compare once both are completed.
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Vladimir, Most observers won't notice undersized rigging as quickly as they would oversized blocks and tackles. I agree with your evaluation to stick to scale with block sizes. As an allternative to thread, would fishing line or possibly thin guage wire work as an alternative? Rob or other veteran modelers might have some helpful insights.
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Vladimir, Don't be so hard on yourself. You, my friend are not mediocre or by any means a lousy apprentice. If it hadn't been for your brilliant cgi bulkhead input, who know where Rob would be at? The minutia you're dealing with has a lot to do with paying close attention to numerous details. Details like those stern bumpkins extend out much further beyond the deck than your picture seems to display. To answer your other question, when these vessels were out to sea for months, it was common practice to erect small houses, like chicken coops over their hatches, so your small kitchen house would be correct. I particularly appreciate your excellent reworking of the stern rails and you did a very clean job of relocating that annoying 3rd fairlead. In addition, you're doing an excellent job on that longhouse behind the foremast. From Rob's observance, the main fife rail needs to be shortened to end just after the main pump wheels. My only other issue is that the rear coach house companion height be adjusted so that the turned stanchion rail comfortably intersects it, as demonstrated in my rear coach house elevation. Don't be discouraged, I'm sure Rob would agree, you're doing excellent work!
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Rob, From this image of Steve Priske's beautifully crafted Western Shore model, she's very reminiscent of the McKay hulls of his extreme Clippers Lightning and Flying Cloud at least from viewing her bow and particularly the extreme rake of her underwater prow. I remember viewing many lovely scenes of Steve's build about a decade ago which apparently are no longer available. Your mention of the fellow Mike Preske's research intrigues me, as until I read about him in your post, I never heard his of name before. Do you think Steve's pending book will include more particulars about his own model build or put a bigger emphasis on the sadly all too brief history of "The Oregon Clipper?" I ask because, depending on interest level, I could possibly use it as a guideline for our own possible publication on your recently completed beauty Glory of the Seas.
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Rob, you might want to invest in one of those fancy permanent silver pens. You know, the type celebrities use to sign their autographs? I'm sure Mike would be honored to sign your masterpiece, maybe on the stand where it would be visible but not detract from your model's beauty.
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Rob, Thanks for the encouraging words. It will now seem like an eternity til then. I also broached the subject with Mike about getting museums to loan artifacts to support your model's loan. I'll let you know his response.
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Rob, Vladimir, Druxey, I finally received a reply from the Nautical Research Journal editor. He explained that due to serious family issues he had to delay production of the magazine for months and then had to produce two issues in a short timeframe. As a result, my article was inadvertently delayed. Bottom line: the article is now scheduled to appear in the first 2023 publication. That should appear in February.
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Rob, From the bottom of my heart, I want you to know how much of an honor and privilege it has been, to participate in this fascinating journey of discovery and exploration of Donald McKays final masterpiece. Without exaggeration, this has been one of the most exciting experiences of my life. Your decades long dedication to investigating Glory of the Seas in order to achieve the highest level of accuracy inspired a small group of us to join you in pursuing a mutual objective of rediscovering the full authentic beauty of McKay's incredible final Clipper. Such dedication even brought in Arina "The Author's Daughter" who then introduced you to her famous author father Michael Mjelde. His contribution to our efforts has been immeasurable. Never in my wildest dreams would I have ever imagined we'd be collaborating with the single man who has devoted 60 years of his life to the history of a single Clipper. His brilliant, ultra rare historic images allowed us to achieve high levels of accuracy never anticipated before. All along I said quite confidently, that you (and Vladimir) are creating two of the finest museum quality replicas of this impressive vessel. I am proud to have been associated with your amazing project.
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Vladimir, I have the same prow image where the foremast has been edited down to give a closer view of the forecastle. This makes it easier to see the 3rd fairlead cut out on the starboard side. Conversely, there's no fairlead cut out any further back. This is conclusive photographic proof of Rob's statement about the accurate location of the 3rd fairlead.
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Vladimir, With Rob's rapid production pace, it's easy to forget there's another just as beautifully crafted model vessel waiting in the wings, so to speak. These latest hull images truly demonstrate your artisan level of craftsmanship. Lovely details like your reproduction of her wrought iron anchor hawsehole contribute to her authenticity. It's also a magnificent tribute to Donald McKay's spectacular Clipper Ship as well. I particularly appreciate the dead on view of your replica's hull. If it weren't for the background you could almost believe it was the real vessel herself.
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Vlad, I'm humbled and honored at your enthusiasm for my work. Actually, look closer you'll see this simple rendering was done on the back of an envelope. Refer back to the photo which inspired this and you'll see that the short stanchion cant or slant , if you prefer is more pronounced then even my work depicts. It was this discovery which led to my conversation with Rob. That's when he clarified indenting the rail was done for rigging clearance.
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Vlad, This pic is from the early 1900s (I think 1913 but I have to verify that with original sent from Mike). Glory of the Seas has long since been converted to a floating factory barge, that's identifiable by all the new structure added to her decks in front of the original coach house. Original structures include her wheelhouse, now extended and her curving rear coach house with original turned rail stanchions. Everything else are eyesore additions purposefully added to facilitate her floating salmon processing and canning operation. By the way, I would never dream of ordering you to tear down and rebuild your creation. I just thought, since you had removed so much of your other buildings, you could slightly modify the rear half of the coach house. That's where it appears to curve on the real vessel herself. The front half doesn't have to be touched at all. Just a thought.
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