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Jared This contemporary photo of Glory's lifeboats actually shows a type of quick release tie down securing the craft to the ship's mounting rail. Either mounted face up or face down, it makes sense that lifeboats, due to anticipated expediency for their use, would be secured with quick release lines either way.
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Vladimir it may surprise you to know that I agree with Rob 100%. There is an immediacy and rustic charm to the lovely work you've already done. There is such a thing as trying too hard. Sometimes it's better to step back and accept the beautiful results you've already created. As for Glory's figurehead, I encourage you to set your doubts aside and just go for it. She can either be constructed from a series of smaller carved wooden components, like her arms, for instance or using thin wire armature, built up out of clay or sculpey. Good luck!
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TheAuthorsDaughter Arina if you let me know about these rare items, I'll try to get them for you and your dad. If anybody does, it's your dad who deserves to have these rarities in his collection.
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Rob, the addition of the Bowsprit spreader really is a fascinating anachronistic device. As usual you've done a beautiful job on the inclusion of this unique spar. I'm far more used to seeing such original spritsail mounts in 18th Century warships. Then those were mounted below the Jibboom in order to allow mounting a sail. Being set up on top, clearly there was no intent to mount a sail. As it apparently wasn't originally installed at her launch, this spar like the many other ingenious deck revisions was most likely a result of Captain Nickerson's work.
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Rob, while you see the flaws, what others like myself see is the single finest miniature replica under an inch, of Glory's Grecian Goddess Athene figurehead ever done. Even the great McNarry sculpture is much larger being around six inches tall.
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Rob, one consistent feature I've seen with ship's figureheads is that the subject's head is tilted in such a way that their face is looking straight out. Invariably when a figure is mounted at a sharp angle, this put their head at a tilted back position too.
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Rob, at the risk of sounding seriously redundant, I just want to once again acknowledge how meticulously accurate your scratch built model is to "GLORY of the SEAS" herself. It's remarkable how even the bowsprit's angle matches the one in the picture behind. Well done, sir. Well done indeed.
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Rob, not having either of these beautiful figurehead images, how on earth did you come so close to them? I'm even more impressed with your capabilities now!
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Rob, actually besides the lower tilt of his head and lower position of your figurehead's left arm, the rest of him is very accurate, including authentic paint job. I read that the McKay's original figurehead was lost at sea. This replica was carved by the Ship's Carpenter as a replacement at sea. Knowing how complex a project it is to create a 7' likeness, it's a fair bet that the original artwork, especially if sculpted by Mason was far more refined.
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Rob, nobody's going to confuse your "Wee Scottish Laddie" for Davey Crockett!
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Rob, your latest series of Starboard and Port Bow headgear rigging photos really demonstrate how beautiful and accurate your model is. It also reveals how meticulously our combined research really has been. I'm looking forward to seeing the completion of this portion of your build, especially bobstay and spreader.
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Vladimir, since your model is 1:72nd scale, a 90" figurehead at scale is 1&1/4", just slightly larger than 7/8".
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Rob, from all the photographic evidence we have, none show any belaying pins inserted into any of Glory's rails. To the contrary, all images available so far, including this latest broadside prove that all rails even on her large rear house were solely used as rails and nothing else. Your idea of creating internal shroud mounted belaying pins must be the logical workable alternative.
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Rob, In this latest beautiful broadside of Glory I was surprised to discover almost all her yards have tightly furled sails like yours. I am struck by the professionalism of these sailors in their ability to so tightly compress these massive fabrics. When you consider rolling up these thick canvas sails, it's an amazing accomplishment. I remember having to compress older real canvas tents when we struck camp in Boy Scouts of the 60s. Since I was participating in US Armed Services Units, our camping gear was surplus World War II military style tough canvas duct. Believe me, it is an art to get gear like that to be as tightly furled as those sails used to be.
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Vladimir, I couldn't agree more about this fantastic discovery. Everytime I think I've seen the last image of "Glory of the Seas" another never before seen picture emerges. Each time I am once again reminded what a substantial vessel she was too. To give an idea of how far back she is in this 1910 photo, look at the size of "Dora's" passengers in the fore image. Now knowing the size of the ship's rails, project the scale of those same folks into the background. Knowing her dimensions from Stern to Bowsprit tip, I realize that the real estate Glory covers is the equivalent of two goalposts of an American football field!.
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Rob, while it can add upwards as twice as much time to properly outfit a square rigged ship, I can say that it is precisely that almost mystifying labyrinth of lines, with their various chains, gin blocks and tackles that I appreciate the most. It gives me great joy to follow rigging and trace each line to its logical conclusion at its belaying location. I imagine that with judicious pre-conception and a well laid out plan, the amount of time to accomplish this very challenging but highly rewarding facet of your build can be well managed.
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Rob, Vladimir courtesy of Richard Alan Wood, Administrator of the Facebook page "The Clipper Ship Era" comes this very rare postcard of an Oct 3rd, 1910 Port Broadside view of Ship "Glory of the Seas" unloading BC coal at Unalaska, Alaska. Photographer was John E Thwaites.
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Rob, as usual, just a very high level of professionalism in the construction and detailed rigging of the Mizzenmast. Seeing it mounted in Glory, it's impressive how tall this so called shortest mast it. It will be stunning to see how her Mainmast will look in comparison.
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Vladimir, nice work on the dual skylights. I'm also impressed with how substantial your lower Mizzenmast is. It's easy to miss how big these lower spars were when the entire height of these lofty masts are done. They must have been an imposing sight to behold in person.
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Jared, that's 100% better! They actually look like they're made of wood now. Not knowing the actual size of these lovely, authentic looking craft, my only other suggestion would to be to paint the top trim a contrasting dark color, possibly dark green or blue to offset the white. That's how they appear on "Cutty Sark".
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Rob, it's a tribute to your attention to detail in the utilization of different colors and thicknesses of lines, as well as the use of chain where warranted. I also must admit I've never in my life seen a larger dime before, which highlights how relatively small your scratch built Jin blocks really are. Your magnification devices must indeed be very powerful.
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Jared, you're quite welcome! Anytime I can contribute and be of assistance it will be my honor to do so. I just don't ever want to be intrusive.
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Jared, I applaud your initial efforts. The attempt to scribe lines does give an impression of a clinker built craft. To aid in your attempts, attached is an image of a similar lifeboat from a Cutty Sark model. Notice how each plank conforms to the general shape of the boat. You might want to try scribing your boats with a light pencil first to capture this look.
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Ian Grant I wouldn't trouble myself too much about your inability to replicate Rob's sheet blocks. After all, at 1:150th scale your blocks have to be almost half the size of Rob's to be in scale. His would appear "ginormous" in comparison! 😉
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Vladimir, since drew inspiration from the Model Shipways "Flying Fish" keel and bulkhead plans to pattern "Glory of the Seas" I felt having those instructions might help you with your rigging decisions. Here's the link to an online pdf file: 88045-model-shipways-flying-fish-instructions.pdf
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