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George K, nice work on representing the Naval Hoods, Cutwater & more lifelike figurehead on your "Flying Fish". I hope you don't mind a couple suggestions how to recapture a Clipper Bow. If you can, move the Cutwater up so it abuts the bottom of the Naval Hoods & extend it just enough so the fish figurehead is further up closer to the tip of the Naval Hoods. Then add the curved piece blending into the bottom of the Cutwater. I've attached a before & after sketch to show end results. Good luck!
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Vladimir, actually Glory did in fact originally carry a full set of Stuns'ls. By 1877 when Rob is modeling her, apparently those booms had been removed.
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Vladimir, I don't "place much stock" in the authenticity of this particular artists works. Note the sparse bow which lacks any figurehead at all. From her fitting out after her launch "GLORY of the SEAS" was rigged with double Topsail on all 3 yards.
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Vladimir, it might help you to know that all yardarms on Glory's fore and main masts are identical sizes. So you & Rob can fashion duplicates for both masts. Then it's just the moon sail yard on the main as well as the mizzen yards.
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Vladimir Wairoa Nice to see you back in action on your lovely Glory! I look forward to seeing your results as you rig this mammoth model. I'm sure it will be stirring. Your new Bowsprit looks quite impressive.
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George K, Rob's correct. I misread your question. All images of Glory appear to show large single iron bars, not slimmer doubles like the Morgan's. For the much larger Clipper Ships with far more substantial demands on their rigs, the more stout single wrought iron bars would be far more suitable.
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George K, from the sharp, historic close up images Michael Mjelde has shared with us, it appears to me at least that these were wrought iron similar to those on the Morgan (Rob can also share his observations). Here are two very good sets of images of Glory which appear to confirm this.
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George K, construction of these built masts is fascinating to observe. For what it's worth, details of original paint scheme for "Flying Fish" describe lower masts painted white, yards black and booms bright, which matches the Buttersworth painting.
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Rob, thanks for the update on your progress. It won't be long before we're seeing yard arms too. It's still so uncanny how much your model mimics images of the actual vessel herself.
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Vladimir, wow, my but that's an impressive Starboard Broadside of your Glory! I welcome your new found commitment to fully masting and rigging your model. Rob is demonstrating how the true beauty of these magnificent Clippers is in their harmonizing of beautiful hulls with spectacular sets of sails. I believe yours being at a much larger scale will look even more lofty with a full suit of sails. Welcome back!
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Rob, I meant no critique of your unique approach to recreating McKay's Clippers by heavily modifying Revell's excellent "Cutty Sark" model. For one thing, you were the only one even attempting to build "Glory of the Seas". That project is what initially gained my attention. I really admire the dramatic seascape of your "Donald McKay" and hope you complete that effort some day. Meanwhile your Glory is more and more resembling the magnificent profile of her docked at San Francisco in 1877. Her spectacular masts really match her impressive Hull. It's beginning to show exactly why Glory was so popular when she sailed into sight.
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Rob, while I was intrigued with your imaginative approach to modifying. "Cutty Sark" hulls to recreate McKay Clippers (a process which admittedly has its limitations due to the substantial differences between UK and American hulls) it was your scratch build of "Great Republic" which really impressed me with your in depth modeling skills. You outdid yourself with the GR and GS now appears to be surpassing even that magnificent creation.
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Rob, it's great to see you back in action. I can never get enough of your impressively beautiful model. Keith, now that we realize how substantial "GLORY of the SEAS" was, she would have been dwarfed by the "Great Republic." It's hard to fully visualize this but since we're all familiar with football fields, GR would have been practically 112 yards long! Imagine walking the decks of a floating football field....
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Vladimir, the places I know are the Peabody-Essex Museum, Salem, MA; USS Constitution "Old Ironsides" Museum, Boston, MA; South Street Seaport, Lower Manhattan, NY; Mystic Seaport Museum, Mystic, CT & the J Russell Jinishian Nautical Art Gallery, Stonington, CT (not technically a museum but the owner actually created and curated the Mystic Art Gallery and might know one or more Museum contacts. I'll let you know what I find out.
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Jared, really nice work and great detailed description of your process to create these beautifully realized deck structures.
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Rob, that's a very nice display plaque. It's quite reminiscent of a 2 page display in "Some Famous Sailing Ships & Their Builder Donald McKay". Key difference is your inclusion of non McKay vessels. On left are depicted evolution of McKay's Packet Ships while on the right are his progressive examples of his California Clipper Ships.
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"Great Republic" as originally launched was 335' long with a 53' beam while "GLORY of the SEAS" was 265' long with a 44' beam. At 1:96th scale, Glory would be 9" shorter and 9 " narrower as well. Both models would be impressive at 33" for Glory and 42" for Republic, just counting hull length alone. I always thought it would be an exciting display to see a great number of McKay's vessels all constructed in meticulous detail at the identical scale. Interestingly, McKay's gargantuan Clipper "Donald McKay actually eclipsed the rebuilt "Great Republic" in carrying capacity, making her the largest ship in the world back then.
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Rob, thanks for sharing some waterline equal views with us. As I suspected, mammoth "GLORY of the SEAS" in fact does dwarf "Cutty Sark" in size. However both vessels clearly are also Clipper Ships. We can also see how Donald McKay's final "Medium Clipper" really emphasized carrying capacity over pure speed for the sake of speed alone represented by Extreme Clippers.
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Simon, Ach, it's way too late laddie.... the "Scottish connection" goes 'fair dinkum deep' as Donald McKay himself was a Scottish Immigrant from Nova Scotia who gladly became an American citizen and one of the most innovative Clipper Ship designers of any nation. "Cutty Sark" herself is a quite beautiful lady with an yacht like loveliness to her Hull and an impressive rig as well. She well deserves all the accolades she's won over her Century and a half of service. Pity that we Americans didn't respect our own heritage enough to spare at least one of our own magnificent Clipper Ships, which we now can see from Rob's amazing comparison, in many ways, were an order of magnitude in a league of their own.
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Rob, it's a sad irony that the very nation that introduced and perfected the Clipper Ship has not one intact example left. Meanwhile the UK will ultimately have not one but two fully restored examples: 1869 "Cutty Sark" and the 1864 "City of Adelaide" currently undergoing restoration in Adelaide, Australia. Interestingly enough both of these vessels were Scottish built ships. I have another request in respect to the comparisons of "Cutty Sark" and "GLORY of the SEAS." If it's not too much to ask, could you elevate the UK vessel so that their waterline match up, then take some more pictures of the two broadside and in three quarter profiles, bow and stern? It would be powerful to see this dramatic comparison.
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Rob, welcome back and Happy New Year! While it's one thing to read and try to visualize size differences between the massive McKay Clippers and her UK counterparts, it's entirely another to see this disparity, even just in model scales. Wow! I am just blown away by comparisons of these two beautiful vessels. Thanks for sharing.
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George, Rob Wiederrich has a very detailed explanation as to how he recreated Glory's built masts, including contrasting white painted interiors, varnished wooden exteriors with red iron bands. It sounds odd, but it's really elegant. Happy 1st day of the New Year 2022!
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Jared, those gangway ladders really show how tall the "Flying Fish" bulwarks really were. Happy New Year to your entire family!
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My Fathers Son, I know for a fact that the Revell "Cutty Sark" is 1:96th scale while Vladimir entirely scratch built his "GLORY of the SEAS" to the much larger 1:72nd scale. This is not a true "apples to apples" scale comparison. Rob Weiderrich's scratch built replica is 1:96th, so it's still possible to get an accurate to scale comparison. Eventually, when he's completed rigging his Glory, I'm sure Rob would be willing to take some shots of the two vessels so this can be seen.
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