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Rob, as usual, just a very high level of professionalism in the construction and detailed rigging of the Mizzenmast. Seeing it mounted in Glory, it's impressive how tall this so called shortest mast it. It will be stunning to see how her Mainmast will look in comparison.- 3,560 replies
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Vladimir, nice work on the dual skylights. I'm also impressed with how substantial your lower Mizzenmast is. It's easy to miss how big these lower spars were when the entire height of these lofty masts are done. They must have been an imposing sight to behold in person.
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Jared, that's 100% better! They actually look like they're made of wood now. Not knowing the actual size of these lovely, authentic looking craft, my only other suggestion would to be to paint the top trim a contrasting dark color, possibly dark green or blue to offset the white. That's how they appear on "Cutty Sark".
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Rob, it's a tribute to your attention to detail in the utilization of different colors and thicknesses of lines, as well as the use of chain where warranted. I also must admit I've never in my life seen a larger dime before, which highlights how relatively small your scratch built Jin blocks really are. Your magnification devices must indeed be very powerful.
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Jared, you're quite welcome! Anytime I can contribute and be of assistance it will be my honor to do so. I just don't ever want to be intrusive.
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Jared, I applaud your initial efforts. The attempt to scribe lines does give an impression of a clinker built craft. To aid in your attempts, attached is an image of a similar lifeboat from a Cutty Sark model. Notice how each plank conforms to the general shape of the boat. You might want to try scribing your boats with a light pencil first to capture this look.
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Ian Grant I wouldn't trouble myself too much about your inability to replicate Rob's sheet blocks. After all, at 1:150th scale your blocks have to be almost half the size of Rob's to be in scale. His would appear "ginormous" in comparison! 😉
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Vladimir, since drew inspiration from the Model Shipways "Flying Fish" keel and bulkhead plans to pattern "Glory of the Seas" I felt having those instructions might help you with your rigging decisions. Here's the link to an online pdf file: 88045-model-shipways-flying-fish-instructions.pdf
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Rob, while it will be months of tedium for you, for guys like me it will be an illuminating experience to see how you creatively develop your progress. Realizing that ultimately practically every single line must of necessity be belayed either at the fife rails at the base of each mast or along the many mounting points along the hull, the trick is to get the innermost lines out of the way first, as they eventually will become almost inaccessible later on. Since you're starting with the mizzenmast, it appears like you're plan of attack is to begin at the stern and move forward to the bow, culminating eventually at the bowsprit. Documenting your progress at this painstaking pace should greatly benefit Vladimir and others who ultimately want to follow in your brave footsteps.
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Rob, thanks to your specific step by step updates of your rigging progress it impresses me how much of a painstaking process it is. The resulting finished product is one of the most beautiful on earth, especially when it's a massive American Clipper. Each line has it's own special purpose and it's own particular destination for usefulness. By the time you're done, the spider's web of myriad lines would be a maze of confusion to anyone unfamiliar with the unique purpose of complex rigging on sailing vessels. This part of your model build will be thrilling to follow.
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Rob, nice tight, clean work as usual. Well done!
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Vladimir, "Iron men on wooden ships"..... you're welcome by the way.
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Rob, what blows my mind is that somehow in the midst of the sea, the Captain and ship's crew managed to completely re-rig the entire vessel in 12 days!
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http://www.bruzelius.info/Nautica/News/BDA/BDA(1852-12-17)b.html Vladimir, Perhaps the most incredible feat of seamanship was displayed by Donald McKay's brother Lauchlan, easy going yet hard driving Captain of the 1852 Extreme Clipper "Sovereign of the Seas." October 12th, 1852 on her Maiden voyage the great ship under a heavy press of sail experienced an incredibly complicated dis-masting which affected all three masts. I've attached a sailor's first person account which describes in great detail their almost unbelievable act of seamanship under the capable, inspired leadership of the indomitable Captain McKay.
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https://www.jclary.com/classics-of-the-seas/flying-cloud Rob, Vladimir this link brings you to an amazing piece of art depicting Clipper 'Flying Cloud' as she actually appeared in her record breaking journey rounding Cape Horn on her maiden voyage. I read a book which made great reference to her Log and the descriptions of multiple challenges to her rig is hair raising. Back then, these circumstance were simply part of the routine.
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Rob, neither you nor Vlad have any reason to apologize to anyone about the pace of your construction progress. You're scratch building practically every single component in your museum quality builds. Personally, just like the carefully patient process we developed to rediscover the true glory in "GLORY of the SEAS" I strongly prefer a pace that is prudent and gives the very impressive results you're both creating. In this case, the time worn adage is definitely true "haste makes waste."
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Rob, beautiful work. As I said to Vlad, the recreation of these yards reveal how substantially made they really were. It makes total sense to rig from stern to fore, as this will tighten shrouds as you move forward, culminating in the bowsprit.
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Rob, I am not suggesting either you or Vlad make any changes to structures you've already painstakingly constructed. Just as an Academic conversation, I continue my observations of these confusing bilge wheels. First I want to stipulate that both flywheels are indeed mounted outside the pinrail they're located on. However, this even more sharp image clearly shows that the Port flywheel is indeed reset behind the mainmast fife rail. If you look at the rear section of the top Port rail, the front part of the Port wheel disappears behind it. Now follow the top horizontal bar to which this same flywheel mounts and appears to have line looped around a couple belaying pins and it clearly looks like it would be much closer to the inner section of the mainmast. Again, if you follow this pattern, you can easily see the "zig-zag" pattern you'd expect to see if the main bilge pumps were mounted outside of a more narrow rail. If anything, it's a fascinating conversation.
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Rob, beautiful just beautifully done consistent craftsmanship. This really looks like a miniature yardarm. I'm constantly blown away by you artisans.
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Rob, I know I'm getting a bit of a deserved "rep" about being a pain in the *** for detailed accuracy. Believe me, it's not my intention to make your lives difficult as modelers. I'm just trying to maintain fealty to historic accuracy in order to be consistent to our initial stated goal of creating the most accurate version of Glory in every detail possible. Hopefully this will continue to unveil Glory's uniqueness as a McKay Clipper. Case in point this blurry image looks like it proves what I said about the main bilge pumps having a narrower mounting rail then the main fire rail. Otherwise how would the flywheels line up with the fife rails and also be mounted outside their own rails? Besides which, just from a "workflow" viewpoint, as long as the shorter crankshaft don't interfere with pump efficiency, wouldn't it make sense to inset the pump rails, so that the flywheels don't impede on working area around them?
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Vladimir, your yardarms are an absolute thing of beauty! It's amazing how graceful and symmetric they all are. Most impressive is how they're uniformly thicker in the center and gradually narrow towards the outer ends. I can even imagine how massive these critical spars must have appeared on Glory herself. Well done!
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Vladimir, Rob I took another look at this image of Glory's main deck, with specific emphasis on her bilge pump flywheels. At first, I thought it wasn't possible to determine whether her iron spokes were straight, like the 1886 Ship "Balclutha" or "S" curved, as we discussed earlier. Sure enough, when I enlarged the image it does clearly show that Glory's bilge pump flywheels did indeed have the "S" curved iron spokes and not straight ones. They're also narrower than the mainmast fife rails, since the wheels appear to align neatly behind them. Viewed from above, the fife rails look like they're a square and the bilge pump mounting would look smaller and rectangular.
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Vladimir, apparently your improvements are so impressive it's caused Rob to lose his dentures 😉
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Vladimir, nice work! Your fore companion looks so much more accurate and in scale now. In this case, less is truly more. Painting the fore house white definitely brings out contrast nicely. She continues to build into an impressive vessel. Great work!
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Rob, Wow!.... until now I didn't know that your vast modeling skills included levitation!! How else do explain not one, or two but three beautifully crafted yards seemingly defying gravity and floating in air? Oh by the way, Happy St Valentine's Day to all my fellow modeling friends, I hope you enjoy the day with a close loved one.
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