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I don't know the log. I am a really surprised that the ship had 24x and not 26x 12 pdrs.
 
Here are some further information, which I found in modern books (which are not primary sources):
 
I found in Robert Gardiner "The first frigates" for the armament (22/07/1782) of WInchelsea:
Quarterdeck: 4x 6pdr long guns; 6x 18pdr carronades
Forecastle: 2x 6pdr long guns; 2x 18pdr carronaeds.
 
Further gives the book the following information for the armament of the Niger class:
 
Design: 26x 12 pdrs (upper deck), 4x 6pdrs (quarterdeck) and 2x 6pdrs (fore deck)
 
Added by Admirality orders:
11/11/1756 12x 1/2pdr swiffels (quarterdeck and fore deck)
10/081779   6x 18pdr carronades (quarterdeck) and 2x 18pdr carronades (foredeck)
25/12/1779  4x 18pdr carronades (quarterdeck) and 2x 18pdr carronades (foredeck)
19/11/1794  4x 24pdr carronades (quarterdeck) and 2x 24pdr carronades (foredeck)
 
Winfield (British warships in the age of sail 1714-1792) confirms the information.
 
Winchelsea had a great repair form 03/1780 until 04/1782. During this repair the ship was copperd. There is an information which I don't understand in the moment ("re-rigged with 28-gun ship's top hamper") . I've never heard "top hamper".
 
Does anyone knows, what this means?
 
My plan was to show the ship with carronades. But with the information from Chuck, I have to think about this.

Happy New Year everyone😁
 
I've started on the deck planking, completing the first belt and the lining off the remaining two belts.
 
The planking remains unsanded and looking dirty and discolored at the moment. The only cleanup was to scrape most of the PVA off the joints after gluing. The final cleanup will come later as I move onto the second belt. There will be more room to sand without the risk of knocking down the outside plank edges. All of the deck fittings are removable as well which will make things a whole lot easier.
 
I extended the line onto the margin plank after lining off and I also marked where the butt joints are located.

 
I glued some short alignment strips to the deck and up against the fixtures to keep them centered on the deck

 
For the mast partner bolts I used some 20lb black monofilament drilled with a #76 bit. No gluing necessary.

 
I almost got into deep trouble when I tried gluing the cabin floor with PVA. It started to warp quickly and being boxwood made it hard to bend back. Luckily I was able to get it into position and down tight to the false deck, albeit with a few sore fingers. Stay with medium CA on this one. Trust me!
 

 
Mike
 

Hi all!
 
Since my last post, I've got Rhino working on my personal laptop and have been hard at work drawing the few remaining pieces before going back to printing again. The rudder frame was by far the single most complicated part to figure out in 3D in this entire project. Sooo many complex shapes!
 

 
I've got a couple more parts to figure out in 3D before going back to printing.
 
Stay tuned!

I don't know the log. I am a really surprised that the ship had 24x and not 26x 12 pdrs.
 
Here are some further information, which I found in modern books (which are not primary sources):
 
I found in Robert Gardiner "The first frigates" for the armament (22/07/1782) of WInchelsea:
Quarterdeck: 4x 6pdr long guns; 6x 18pdr carronades
Forecastle: 2x 6pdr long guns; 2x 18pdr carronaeds.
 
Further gives the book the following information for the armament of the Niger class:
 
Design: 26x 12 pdrs (upper deck), 4x 6pdrs (quarterdeck) and 2x 6pdrs (fore deck)
 
Added by Admirality orders:
11/11/1756 12x 1/2pdr swiffels (quarterdeck and fore deck)
10/081779   6x 18pdr carronades (quarterdeck) and 2x 18pdr carronades (foredeck)
25/12/1779  4x 18pdr carronades (quarterdeck) and 2x 18pdr carronades (foredeck)
19/11/1794  4x 24pdr carronades (quarterdeck) and 2x 24pdr carronades (foredeck)
 
Winfield (British warships in the age of sail 1714-1792) confirms the information.
 
Winchelsea had a great repair form 03/1780 until 04/1782. During this repair the ship was copperd. There is an information which I don't understand in the moment ("re-rigged with 28-gun ship's top hamper") . I've never heard "top hamper".
 
Does anyone knows, what this means?
 
My plan was to show the ship with carronades. But with the information from Chuck, I have to think about this.

They were before....from 1779 - 1780....everything happened around the same time though which also makes it very hard.   One log book was from 1782.   I cant remember from which came what info however.  This was researched so long ago.  About 5 or six years ago.   So I am just trusting my findings from that time.  I actually hired a researcher who dug deep into the archives over in England.  He sent me his findings as he went because he couldnt take any documents from the buildings etc.   I do have some photos taken on his phone though if I can find them.  You can hire folks to do the research for you which is great.  I forget the guys name...he did work for many people.   He was like 100 back then though so I am not sure he is even alive today.  I think his last name was Salt if I remember correctly.  Its very expensive to to a deep dive into the research this way.   Which is why it angers me so much when folks takes such a care-free approach to piracy.   I spent big money on researching Winnie when I started.   Including having the original building contract photo-copied and sent to me.
 
Chuck
 
 

I read through the ships logs to find that info...so I think it may be reliable.   What is interesting is that there were numerous notations of poor pump performance and  they had them moved in the Americas.   In addition.....the stove was moved also.   As far as Carronades...I had seen someting about two 18 pounder Carronades on the f'castle but could not confirm this.  My mistake earlier yes you are correct that there were 12 swivels.   That is in my notes.  Rather than muddy the waters I am going with what they had when the did some work on her in the north atlantic.  
 
Chuck
 
 

Its hard to say for sure but We are building her to a later appearance.  After much research and even reading the logbooks for winnie,  our plans reflect her appearance during the American Revolution.
 
Such things found in the logs indicate the moving of pumps up to the gundeck as well as the stove.  There are other minor changes as well.  The winnie was certainly copper plated but this is a personal preference thing.  This was in fact the first class of frigate ever copper plated. 
 
Based on log info 24 twelve pounders and 8 six pounders were used at this time.  Also 10 swivel guns.
 
Beyond that there are many inconsistencies in the source documentation but my plan shows her either during the revolution or shortly after.
 
Chuck

@scrubbyj427
If you like this appearance you can reach this with our group build model. Winnie in her 1782 appearance should looking really similiar to Minerva.
So it's not necessary to dream from another model. Have fun with the group build.

Thank you Chuck👍

You bring up an interesting question Christian.  Exactly what did the Winchelsea look like later in her service.  When were major changes done to the ship, especially rigging and armament?  I would be very interested to hear what my fellow model builders know about this.  Perhaps Chuck might want to respond to this query.

Hello, I have been on my HMS Triton at 1/48 for more than two years and I have just finished starting with the HMS Wenchelsea at 1/35 full scracht. Don't forget the Triton plans sir.

The following photo shows a really wonderful modern model of HMS Minerva, which shows the beauty of an fully rigged frigate.
It's my model and motivation for the build of HMS Winchelsea.

Picture from Country-Life, April 2011
 
HMS Winchelsea had a really long career in the Royal Navy and it's possible that the ship is looking similiar to the model of Minerva, after the great repair of 1780-1782. I don't know  if I will copper my model of if I will show an older condition of the ship.
 
@Chuck
You show in your log photos of the origininal model of HMS Winchelsea. I couldn't find a gallery with all photos. Is it possible to make a gallery? This makes it much easier to find this very informative pictures.

@scrubbyj427
If you like this appearance you can reach this with our group build model. Winnie in her 1782 appearance should looking really similiar to Minerva.
So it's not necessary to dream from another model. Have fun with the group build.

Your stern is looking really beautyful.

Good morning.

Good morning.

After 5 months of work I’ve completed my Cheerful’s hull. I thought I’d pause a minute and share a few photos (sitting temporarily on its future base) before moving on to the deck.
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
I’ve written in this log about the many things I’ve learned from this semi-scratch build, so many things I’d never done before. I have many more such challenges ahead, I’m looking forward to what's next.  Thank you for all the likes, follows, and comments, I appreciate them all. The fun continues.

Think I’m pretty good on the stbd side, planks seem to be laying down nicely. I may have to make some minor alterations at the Lower bow after I start the upper planking down to the whales. At that point I’ll have a better idea of the actual runs of the lower planks. There’s very little signs of laser char left and where there is char, the planks are laying down nicely.

That looks fine.  They are left extra long just in case.  Just sand it flush on both sides.
 
 
use satin and never gloss wipe on poly.
 
Also dont forget to add those filler strips  below the counter.  You forgot  

A lot of sanding dust and sawing wood today. Stern framing is on, hoping to complete chapter 1 before I go on vacation.

Chuck, I fear I may have taken too much material off the outer stern Frames. Will this work or should I glue some thin strips back on and fair it again?
 

Last night and today I worked on the stern frames, that was a little tricky, I stared at it a lot and constantly was making adjustments in fear of getting something a little off. I think it turned out ok though. Lots more sanding tomorrow and hopefully onto the quarter galley framing.
 
Im not quite certain of the lower sills on the transom, I installed them perpendicular to the frame where they sit, should they be more towards horizontal?

Almost ready to flip her over and start working the other direction I just need Add the black strake and open up the planking for the doorway and a few more details this week.

One side down, (above the Wales) just needs a bit more sanding and the Wales completed along with the black strake and I can move onto the other side. A few speed bumps along the way but nothing major, will see how chapter three goes together.
JJ
 
 

Also here's a picture from Chuck's log that shows a great view of the curve Ben mentioned and the positioning of the wales at the counter.
 
Hope this helps!  
 

Thanks Rusty, as with all vacations it was much too short and I need another one ASAP!
 
So I’m back on the wagon and onto chapter 3, I got the transom placed, the upper counter planked, sanded and a Dry test run on all the windows. So far so good, very happy with the results so far. Hope to get the framing started in the next couple days.
The windows required very minor adjustments to fall in line and will require very little manipulation when it comes time to glue them in place.
 
JJ