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Don Case replied to Don Case's topic in Building, Framing, Planking and plating a ships hull and deck
I'm not even sure I know where I saw them. I'll see what I can find. -
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Don Case replied to Don Case's topic in Building, Framing, Planking and plating a ships hull and deck
Thanks Alan I have seen the drawings but like the one you linked I had also noticed that occasionally they are fayed against the framing. It just made me want to check. -
HMS Discovery 1789 by Don Case - 1:48
Don Case replied to Don Case's topic in - Build logs for subjects built 1751 - 1800
I'm working on the mast steps. I have the main mast done and have started on the foremast. The main step is just wide enough to cover the limber strakes but the fore and mizzen steps are right across to the timberhead strakes. Is there a reason that the main step is so small? I'm basing a lot of my build on the Swan series. I've done a bunch of looking and can't seem to find any other pictures of mast steps to compare. Any help please. -
HMS Discovery 1789 by Don Case - 1:48
Don Case replied to Don Case's topic in - Build logs for subjects built 1751 - 1800
Limber and timberhead strakes are in. The transition from forward cant frames to hawes pieces is a little abrupt but it's done. I wasn't sure where/how the timberhead strakes should end at the stern so I just ran them out. Onward to mast steps maybe. -
HMS Discovery 1789 by Don Case - 1:48
Don Case replied to Don Case's topic in - Build logs for subjects built 1751 - 1800
I put on some ribbands to pull the tops of the frames into line. Finished up the limber strakes. Did the port floorhead thickstuff and now working on the starboard FT. The weather has turned nice so it's glue something and go out and work in the yard until the glue dries. Sometimes I don't get back in. I'll take some better pictures when I'm done this bit. -
Symmetry
Don Case replied to Don Case's topic in Building, Framing, Planking and plating a ships hull and deck
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Symmetry
Don Case replied to Don Case's topic in Building, Framing, Planking and plating a ships hull and deck
A butt block would be a block that fayed on the face overlapping the joint? How do you do that when there is no space between the frames without making a tripping hazard? But I guess tripping hazards were common on a sailing ship😉 -
Symmetry
Don Case replied to Don Case's topic in Building, Framing, Planking and plating a ships hull and deck
Threats work🙂 Discovery was built in a private yard. I'll hold that one for when I really screw up. One of my previous hobbies was bonsai so I have a fondness for asymmetry. Doesn't work in boats though. -
I'm putting in the second pair of limber strakes. Is there any reason other that pride of workmanship that the butt joints in the planks match from one side to the other?
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HMS Discovery 1789 by Don Case - 1:48
Don Case replied to Don Case's topic in - Build logs for subjects built 1751 - 1800
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HMS Discovery 1789 by Don Case - 1:48
Don Case replied to Don Case's topic in - Build logs for subjects built 1751 - 1800
I did some sanding and fairing on the inside. I needed some ribbands so I made a bunch of clamps to hold them. First picture( this was the hand drilled prototype, the rest were squarer). They were a PITA to use so I'm working on a Mk 2 but I did get the ribbands on. Then I made the keelson and stemson and glued them on. The keelson, and actually the whole ship looks bent but it's not. Next was the limber strakes. They needed a rebate. That had me awake a lot last night designing a jig for my mill. It took an hour or so to make this morning and it worked quite well. I used a metal cutting end mill and I think it should be turning faster but I'll play with it. So next is installing the limber strakes. -
I'm following the Vulture build in more of a "when" to do stuff as opposed to "what" to do. My drawings are not great but sometimes I can see something if I know what I'm looking for. I can't see the fixed blocks on the old drawings but McKay did put them on his drawings.
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Actually it's very much like the drawing on pg 266-267 of "Scantlings". You can se the forward one(right under where it says "timberheads" is level but the aft two are slanted.
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Deck clamps
Don Case replied to Don Case's topic in Building, Framing, Planking and plating a ships hull and deck
I would like to plank the inside if it works out. If I put the ribbands on when do I fair the outside of the hull. Do I leave that until just before I plank the outside? -
I had planned on getting a rigging book, just not yet. This just jumped up at me when I was looking for things I should be doing. I've been kind of following the order of the Vulture build so I don't end up with a big surprise.
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What were fixed blocks in the gunnels for? Were they pretty standard? I just spotted them in Dan's Vulture build and if I knew what they were for it might help me figure out where to put them. Edit, I found them on one of my drawings. Duh😕 I'm assuming they are for(what I would call sheets) sheets for the sails. There are three. Two of them are at an angle that would direct the sheet up to the sails(yards) but the forward one is level. Why would that be?
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Deck clamps
Don Case posted a topic in Building, Framing, Planking and plating a ships hull and deck
I have the frames all glued up and the inside faired. Is there any reason for not putting the deck clamps in now? I'm thinking they would beef things up for fairing the outside. Anything that should be done first? -
HMS Discovery 1789 by Don Case - 1:48
Don Case replied to Don Case's topic in - Build logs for subjects built 1751 - 1800
OK, it's all glued together. Hope the framing is right. It's too late if it isn't. The inside is very close to fair. Just some minor sanding. I decided to install the gun ports later. Good frame locations are within 1/16" of where the drawing says the ports should be. Is there any reason not to get rid of the elevated jig? It's kind of in the way for marking deck clamp locations. I would replace it with stem and stern post jigs. -
Ships boats
Don Case replied to Don Case's topic in Discussion for a Ship's Deck Furniture, Guns, boats and other Fittings
Druxey's build looks perfect, thanks. Just to show that I'm not going in blind I did build this lifeboat for the "Cicely" about 15 years ago. It's a proper clinker built. 5" long. -
Ships boats
Don Case replied to Don Case's topic in Discussion for a Ship's Deck Furniture, Guns, boats and other Fittings
I've ordered May's book. $22 for an $11 book. Thanks for that Alan. 13", that's 1/4" at 1:48. That's a lot of frames on a 5 1/2" boat. I watched Keven Kenny's vid on building lifeboats. I'll read Druxey's build. -
HMS Discovery 1789 by Don Case - 1:48
Don Case replied to Don Case's topic in - Build logs for subjects built 1751 - 1800
Thanks Justin. I can pick a few details from that. The transom looks interesting. I have been toying with using Bounty boats. Capt. George mentions the Bounty incident in his book so I knew they were contemporary. -
Ships boats
Don Case replied to Don Case's topic in Discussion for a Ship's Deck Furniture, Guns, boats and other Fittings
I have looked at the link that Alan posted. It has stations marked but not frames. Is this one place where they coincide? I must be putting in the wrong search words because " ships boats" got me nowhere. -
Ships boats
Don Case replied to Don Case's topic in Discussion for a Ship's Deck Furniture, Guns, boats and other Fittings
When Vancouver was exploring the coast. He would anchor the Discovery in one bay and the Chatham in another some miles away and then they would do all the surveying from the boats. There are more nooks and crannies than you can shake a stick at in the inside passage and taking the ships up many of them was not wise. The winds here are very fickle so it would be possible to have a ship stuck in an inlet for days or weeks even. I assumed that the boats would have sails but I'm not sure. Vancouver does talk about having to row for extended periods which made me think it was out of the ordinary. I have all the scantlings from Alan's book but I can't find the R&S or whatever it was called in a boat. All the boats of my youth had ribs about every 6-12" but they were all clinker built. Can someone give me a rough idea of the spacing. I imagine the bigger the boat, the bigger the spacing but just a rough idea as they will probably never see the light of day anyway. Here's the start of the first mould a 22' cutter.
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