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Thank you!

Craigie, In reply to your message on my finished Nisha thread, thank you - not as tidy as your Nisha! I'm looking forward to seeing your Erycina, she looks great so far. I like your idea of a black hull with dark green above the white rubbing strake and I may copy you. It was this photo of Erycina (you've probably already seen it) near the end of her life in 1934 that got me thinking that not all the running rigging should be tied off at the base of the mast for Nisha. In the photo Erycina is 52 years old and showing her age - quite a contrast to the immaculate yacht-like models we build. I don't have the skill to do so, but I'd love to see someone build a battered, weathered version of Erycina more like the working boat she was. I may contact the Royal Maritime Museum and see if they will send out a higher resolution version of the photo, unless someone has it already? Photograph of 'Erycina' (1882) under sail in September 1934 off the Barbican, Plymouth posters & prints by H Oliver Hill (rmg.co.uk) I am building the Zulu next and will build Saucy Jack before Erycina if Chris gets the Saucy Jack sail sets in. I'd like Erycina to be my last fishing boat (perhaps excepting Ranger which will depend upon when her kit is launched) before I pluck up the courage to tackle one of the Vanguard warships. Dan

Nisha is complete, a month and a day since I started building her. She has been a lot of fun to build with plenty of challenges (learning points). I’m very happy with the unintentional colour the sails ended up. Think I’ll use this colour when I build Erycina too (75% cocoa brown: 25% scarlet). I found the rigging quite hard despite being relatively simple compared to most of the models on MSW. Still developing my techniques and need to be less reliant on CA glue. I stick to my previous conclusion that Nisha for someone who is a complete beginner, such as me, is tricky as a first build but makes an ideal second build. Compared to Vanguard’s Fifie she is smaller, fiddlier, harder to plank, I broke lots more pieces during construction and the rigging is considerably more demanding. All challenges I welcomed on a second build but could have put me off during a first build. The Fifie was the ideal first build for me. I’ve changed the way the lines are secured from that shown on the plans. There are 7 lines coming down the mast plus the inner jibsheet which need securing. The inner jibsheet goes through the ring on a runner but the plans suggest it is just tied to the ring. I think that’s unlikely as it leaves no scope for the crew to trim the sails so I’ve tied off the jibsheet to the windward rails below the deadeyes. 4 cleats on the masts are also likely too few to secure the other 7 lines so I have taken several other lines through the loops at the mast foot and then tied them off to the railing below the deadeyes on both sides. Nisha is built on the starboard tack (as all of Chris's fishing boats seem to be). So I think that the leeward / port flying jibsheet should be taught and the windward / starboard flying jibsheet should be loose. I’m not sure that these changes are accurate and I couldn’t find clear enough photos in March’s Sailing Trawlers to confirm but based on having a bit of sailing experience it makes more sense to me. Fifie welcomes Nisha to the fishing fleet! Off fishing. Thanks to Chris for creating another superb kit that has enabled a beginner such as me to build a second stunning boat, I have no doubt that if I’d bought a mass market kit I’d never have finished even the first build and certainly not have ended up with two fine looking fishing boats. Also thanks to Andyrew, Andrew Johnson, James H, Craigie and others for their valuable advice and excellent build logs which have been a huge help during the build. Next addition to the fishing fleet will be the Zulu. Dan

She’s looking great Jonathan. I thought there was going to be a gap between the port and starboard gunwales and the stern board but instead I opted for a not very noticeable gap between my stern gunwale and the stern board but it is why I rarely show photos of my Nisha from astern… I have to own up that my colour scheme was entirely borrowed from AJohnson. Dan

Just a brief update. The mast and spars are complete and the mast stepped. Tapering and shaping them with a drill worked well. I need to massively improve my tying on / seizing of blocks which are scruffy on close inspection. This is the first boat with proper rigging that I’ve built, the Fifie has very little rigging in comparison As per the instructions the mainsail and main gaff were attached before the mast was stepped. I’ve fitted the main shrouds this evening and will make a start on the ratlines tomorrow - slightly dreading these! The decals are on, but have silvered. I hated water slide decals as a kid making plastic models and I hate them today. I did spray gloss varnish onto the areas where the decals were due to go and use the Revell decal softening solution, but to no avail. I’m unlikely to use any decals provided on future builds. I prefer the BECC self-adhesive letters. My third build has turned up in the dockyard. Yes, another Vanguard trawler, the Zulu. Beautifully packaged and promptly delivered as always - thanks Chris! I look forward to building her but won’t start until Nisha is complete.

Ranger looks stunning. Very much look forward to building her when you get the sails and do launch her.

Well what a waste of time all that dyeing was. Exactly the same mixture of 75:25 cocoa brown to scarlet as dye 8 and all other variables identical, but the sails have come out an entirely different colour. The linen sails have absorbed the dye very differently to the cotton swatches. I was expecting some difference due to the weave being less noticeable… but not this much. Nevertheless, the sails are a colour that will still look good on Nisha, but not what I’d planned. Guess we’ll have to continue a hit and miss approach to dyeing sails!

Thanks for the feedback! You’re both right, 9 is too red. I’ve dyed two more based on 5 and 8 but added some yellow. The middle two are the ones with yellow added. I quite like the warmth and seemly better colour saturation I’m the yellow adds to the sails which may be more like they were in real life. The top sample is 5, the next down is 5 with 10ml golden yellow and 10 ml neon yellow added. The bottom sample is 8 and the second from bottom is 8 with 10ml golden yellow added. Think I’m graduating towards 8 too without the yellow for this build - but I may add some yellow for one of the other fishing boats.

There’s not much I’ve found on MSW about dyeing sails so I’ve been testing different colour RIT dyes and mixtures. I’ve never done dyeing before so here goes - these are my results so far. Unless otherwise stated all fabric swatches have been left in the dye for 20 minutes and the dye mixes are for 1 litre of water. The fabric is 100% cotton T-shirt type fabric which is much lower quality that the Vanguard linen sails. I appreciate that the colour in real life differs from a photo but they seem a pretty close representation and hopefully people will find this little guide useful. I tried some reds first based on the scarlet dye. The reds are probably too red for sails, but I’ll include them in case anyone wants very red sails. Dye 1 is RIT’s colour formula “Poinsetta Red”. (7ml Scarlet + 2ml lemon yellow) Dye 2 is RIT’s colour formula “Maraschino Cherry”. (15ml scarlet + 2ml tangerine) Dye 4 is RIT’s colour formula “Flame Red”. (15ml scarlet, 5ml golden yellow, 0.7ml sunshine orange) Dyes 1, 2 & 4 are almost identical. Dye 2 on Nisha - too bright won’t go with this one. Dye 3 is a bit different “Blazing Red”. (10ml scarlet, 10ml neon yellow, 10ml golden yellow). Whilst this colour is too bright for me, adding a lot more yellow to the mix could liven up some I’d rather dead brown colours. Dye 3 on Nisha. Too gaudy? Adds to colour contrast. The yellow gives it more life than the purer reds. Could consider it! So having decided that the red and yellow mixes are probably too bright for Nisha I experimented with some mixes of cocoa brown and red. I used cocoa brown on my Fifie which looks great but is a proper brown colour and I think too dark for Nisha. I read somewhere that the English boats had brighter coloured sails than the Scottish drifters. So I’ve tried some mixes of scarlet and cocoa brown. I’ve also experimented to see what the effect is from both doubling the amount of dye in the mix whilst keeping the proportion the same and also leaving the fabric in for 40 minutes rather than 20. My “control” for this is Dye 5 (10ml scarlet + 10ml cocoa brown - 50:50). Firstly I compare these to the Fifie sails, 100% cocoa brown. Note the much finer fabric the sails are made of which has a less obvious weave and provides a more consistent colour than the rough T-shirt cotton weave. Dye 5 on Nisha, definitely a contender: Dye 6 is the same dye mix but the sample has been left in for 40 mins rather than 20 mins which according to RIT should make it darker. In practice this makes no difference whatsoever. Dye 7 is the same proportion of dye but double the dosage as Dye 5. So 20ml scarlet + 20ml cocoa brown. This does make a difference but not much. Produces a slightly darker, duller version of Dye 5. Dye 7 on Nisha: Dye 8 is 5ml scarlet and 15ml cocoa brown (25:75). Very similar in outcome to Dye 7. Dye 8 on Nisha: Dye 9 is 15ml scarlet and 5ml cocoa brown (75:25). Dye 9 on Nisha: 5, 8 & 9 are contenders with I think 9 being my favourite so far. What do you all reckon? Any feedback welcome! I may experiment with adding some yellow to dye mixes 5, 8 and 9 to make the sails a little more tan / orange and alive. In the meantime Nisha has grown a bowsprit and dead eyes. I’ve fixed the rudder by drilling a hole for a length of 1mm brass rod in both rudder and stern post in place of the middle spigot so it’s firm and strong now. Repair is almost invisible.

Craigie, That’s how I felt with the Fifie’s sails too. Interesting to know that your sails were 50:50 scarlet with cocoa brown, I was guessing from your photos that it was 100% cocoa brown as I did with the Fifie. I’ve ordered a selection of RIT dyes and some cotton rag and will start experimenting. Thanks Dan

Thanks Craigie. Debating on what sail colour to go for. I think probably a little redder than the RIT cocoa brown I used on the Fifie. Could go for a very red red such as Andyrew did on his Nisha and looks great. Ideally I’d like somewhere between the two but that involves mixing dyes and feels risky! Or do something completely different such as RIT Tan that James H has used on the prototype Saucy Jack build to great effect. My default is cocoa brown because it’s the safe option and will look good, but I think these trawlers from the south of the UK did typically have redder and pinker sails than the Scottish drifters.

Thanks Chris - I’ll try that!

So Nisha’s hull is nearing completion. I’ve deliberately taken the rudder and tiller off as I keep breaking them. I’ll leave them off until she’s rigged now as I’ve broken the wooden spigots that join the rudder to the hull and any repair will remain fragile. I also haven’t done the aluminium chimneys as they need a metal saw which I don’t have yet. I’m waiting for a decals setting solution before applying the decals. The red parts need another touch up too. I’m really pleased by the way she’s turning out, that’s a testament to the quality of this kit. My entire modelling / woodworking experience is the Fifie, one balsa RC aircraft that never flew and a few plastic models as a kid. I never thought that ship modelling would be within the grasp of my abilities but Chris’s Vanguard fishing boats are giving me the satisfaction of producing genuinely lovely looking models. However, despite my best intentions I’ve rushed through this build too. Only just over two weeks into building and the hull is almost finished. But at the cost of so many unnecessary breakages. The companionway was extremely fiddly and I broke the roof into six parts, Chris provides a spare as it’s fragile but that broke into eight parts, but it’s wood and all fixable! Other than the companionway the deck furniture was pretty straightforward.

Craigie, not my paint scheme, very much influenced by Andrew Johnson, whom I’m shamelessly copying! That would look great on Erycina. I just put the parts briefly into budget Boots nail varnish remover (the one with acetone in) for a minute then straight into the Carrs solution for 10 mins and it seems to come out properly blackened. The problem is that it’s just covered in a powdery coat of black where the reaction has happened, which both comes off whilst the part is fitted and also marks everything else. I need to find a way of sealing it properly.

Both Andrew’s and Craigie, thank you very much for the advice. I’ve been playing around to see what works. Sanded down the areas where the paint looked bad first. Then covered most of the model with cling film and only used masking tape to protect the waterline and white trim. I blocked the holes in the bulwark at the bow with blu-tac. Then resprayed the affected areas. The really bad side (port) has cleaned up very well. There’s just a faint line amidships where the two paint jobs meet. I only had a small area on the starboard side that needed respraying. This has resprayed fine, but I’ve learnt the limitation of cling film and painting. I’d pressed the cling film tight against the hull, excess paint went on the cling film and it then fused to the hull. So a new area to respray. I’ll need to leave that until the surrounding paint is dry before repeating the process. Once the paint is fully dry I’ll get some polyurethane varnish on it to protect it. In the meantime I chemically blacked some brass PE for the first time using Carr’s Metal Black solution. Seems to have worked perfectly. Thanks again. I’ll brush paint the upper hull next time so I have paint I can brush on to match!

Thanks for all the advice and encouragement. More progress today and a problem. Timber heads fitted. Bench at the stern fitted, annoyingly I broke this and unlike other breakages this won’t be painted so will be visible as a small crack, but minor. Fish hatches complete and ladder in hull installed - both treated with Danish oil and look much better for it. I tied some thread around the top rung of the ladder whilst fitting it so I didn’t lose it in the hull - then cut the thread when in position. White rubbing strake fitted to starboard side. This was painted white before being glued with CA. Same will be done for the stern counter “frame” and the port rubbing strake. Positioning the latter I damaged the black paint on the hull and have taken it off again for now. Elsewhere I’ve chipped the black paint in a few places too. This is where I need some advice. I’ve touched up the black by using a brush dipped in paint sprayed from the Chaos Black can. When sprayed it comes out a lovely smooth satin black. With the brush it looks thick and glossy and is a contrast to the surrounding area. This touch up technique has worked with the red oxide spray paint on the lower hull and isn’t visible, but clearly isn’t suitable for the Chaos Black. Does anyone have any ideas how to do this better? I’m wary of masking around the areas and re spraying partly because I fear the masking tape will pull more black paint off and partly because I don’t want to get black paint on the deck or other unpainted fittings. Any advice very welcome. Thanks Dan

I did fill and sand down one more time, added the rudder fittings. These were very small and fiddly, lost at least one in the carpet. I’m really impressed that Chris includes extras of these easy to lose or break parts in the kit. Marked the waterline. Tricky to get both sides the same, lots of drawing and then rubbing out and starting again. Nisha is sitting on a very battered copy of March’s Sailing Trawlers that I sourced on ABE Books from Germany. The price of the March’s books must have skyrocketed since Chris launched this range of models. Booksellers must be wondering why a book no one wanted two years ago is now in so much demand. Hull taped up for painting. Chaos Black goes on really well leaving a nice satin finish and dries very fast (unlike the horrible Plastikote white spray paint I’m using on the rubbing strip and stern trim). Looks like dazzle camouflage from above. Deck fits really well. Treated it with one coat of Danish Oil so far and it looks better than the untreated deck I have on the Fifie. Darker, but somehow the engraved planking is more defined too. The deck needed light sanding at the edges to fit but very little and I think looks great. I’ll glue it tomorrow in case there’s any swelling / shrinkage from the Danish Oil.

Thanks for all the really helpful advice Craigie. Nisha is now in her “red” phase. Other builds suggest that I should fill, sand and prime Nna couple of times, but surely I shouldn’t be seeking a very smooth finish and the planks should be visible. Photos of Pilgrim show that her planking was very visible below the paint. I’m thinking fill and sand only a few obvious cracks, mainly along the rabbet and reprime just the once.

Thanks Craigie, Think I’ll go for option 2. I’m bound to make a mess of option 1!

Thanks Andrew. Looking ahead in the instructions - can anyone point me in the right direction as how to reduce the diameter of the lower mast? I can taper with sandpaper but don’t know how to get a step change in diameter such as this without a lathe which I don’t have. Thanks

Second planking finished, filled and sanded. Still lots of room for improvement at bow and stern, especially if I’m ever to build a bare wood hull. I’ve decided on a fully painted hull with red oxide below the waterline and black above with no bootstrap. The rubbing strake will be white. So I have used white filler wherever needed and have not yet added part #39 to the stern as this will be white too. The bulkhead “ears” have been removed I’m going to paint the inside of the bulwarks black too, but not the timberheads. I’ve roughly masked off where each of these will be - it does not need to be perfect, just enough that I can see where each timberhead goes after painting. Also masked over each of the hatches and holes in the deck and around the tiller shaft. The only wood primer I have is the red oxide primer I’m using for the lower hull so everything will be painted with that before painting with Chaos Black above the waterline. Using spray cans for both. Andrew Johnson - I hope you don’t mind me copying your colour scheme?!

What I did was keep the second plank below the bulwark roughly parallel to the first plank and didn’t twist it to fit at all. Then added the third plank at a near right angle with its end against the stern counter. Then sanded the second plank down to shape. Seems to have worked OK on both sides - there’s a tiny fit of filler which could have been avoided if I’d sanded down the second plank to be roughly in shape before fitting the third plank. I’m a beginner too, on my second build, so this might be technically the wrong approach but provides a relatively easy and aesthetically tidy solution. There’s more photos on my Nisha build log and I’m only slightly ahead of you in my build Glomar.

Work on the Nisha continues… The rabbets and outer stern counter were fitted and clamped. Then outer bulwarks went on fine. As others have noted the holes in the outer bulwarks at the bow don’t line up with the inner bulwark. Should be very easy to fix with a little filing. I’ve second planked the starboard side only so far. The photos show it with preliminary sanding but no filler yet. Second planking went on quite easily. The first three planks went on untapered and then the rest were tapered to approx 50% of width at the bow. I still needed two spacers at the stern. Quite a bit of edge bending was required to cope with the curve where the stern flares out. The rabbets were big enough at bow and stern but not amidships for the keel rabbet. The only real difficulty, as in the first planking was trying to work out how to neatly finish off the planking along the sternpost and in particular how to neatly plank the area where the planks terminating in the stern rabbet meet those terminating against the outer stern counter. It’s quite a sharp corner and not the easiest to plank. So the messiest part of my planking. Port side next plus some additional sanding and filling.

Andy, your Nisha looks really great, I hope my build can look half as good. I see we’re both building/built the same Vanguard fishing boats. Are you going to build more? I’m thinking the Lady Isabella or Saucy Jack next.

Andrew, Thank you very much. I’ll try that on my Nisha too. Dan