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Interesting. Could you drop back 125 years and describe the hatches used on steambarges hauling stone? 
 
i am building a model of the steambarge Margaret Olwill based upon the only known photo (see below). This was taken on June 27th, 1899 of her as she sat at the stone loading dock on Kelly's Island, Lake Erie. . She loaded limestone that day, left for Cleveland at midnight (50 mile trip) to be off Cleveland  early June 28, 1899. Ran into a Nor'Easter, off Lorain, Ohio, broke her steering chain, cargo shifted and rolled over sinking 8 miles off Lorain.  Nine lives lost, including her captain, his wife, son and a guest, as well as five of her nine crew. The wreck was located in 2017. Two hatch cover can be seem leaning against the port rail. Note: There are no plans of vessel. Model is built from this photo and similar steambarges of the timeframe. 

Thanks for your input. I have two sets of plans that I am using for a reference. One is A.J. Fishers "Huron Brave", which is a Great Lakes bulk wooden steamer that never existed, and the other is the Smithsonian WPA plans for the wooden steamer from 1890 "Sidney O. Neff." Neither show the details for the hatch covers. The Neff drawings show a partial crosshatch drawing on the hatch cover, displaying the end grain of the wood pieces that make up the hatch cover. The grain runs fore and aft, but does not show whether the hatch cover is one or more sections. Converting the plan dimensions for the hatch covers shown for the Neff, they are: fore: 8' x 8', mid: 8' x 13' 7 aft: 8' x 10'. The Huron Braves drawing shows the hatch covers 8' x 16'.  In the photo, the hatch covers are leaning against a 4 foot high bulwark. Using that as a reference, the hatch cover shown is a 6'x 4' section and that the hatch opening is 6' x 8'. That is based upon the assumption that the other halve of the hatch cover is leaning against the starboard bulwark.
By the way, what looks like damage to the starboard side of the hull is, Photo Shop handling of a engine draining pipe and the discoloration caused by waste water on the side of the hull.   
 
Thanks for your help and Roger, good thread on your build. 

Thanks for your input. I have two sets of plans that I am using for a reference. One is A.J. Fishers "Huron Brave", which is a Great Lakes bulk wooden steamer that never existed, and the other is the Smithsonian WPA plans for the wooden steamer from 1890 "Sidney O. Neff." Neither show the details for the hatch covers. The Neff drawings show a partial crosshatch drawing on the hatch cover, displaying the end grain of the wood pieces that make up the hatch cover. The grain runs fore and aft, but does not show whether the hatch cover is one or more sections. Converting the plan dimensions for the hatch covers shown for the Neff, they are: fore: 8' x 8', mid: 8' x 13' 7 aft: 8' x 10'. The Huron Braves drawing shows the hatch covers 8' x 16'.  In the photo, the hatch covers are leaning against a 4 foot high bulwark. Using that as a reference, the hatch cover shown is a 6'x 4' section and that the hatch opening is 6' x 8'. That is based upon the assumption that the other halve of the hatch cover is leaning against the starboard bulwark.
By the way, what looks like damage to the starboard side of the hull is, Photo Shop handling of a engine draining pipe and the discoloration caused by waste water on the side of the hull.   
 
Thanks for your help and Roger, good thread on your build. 

Interesting. Could you drop back 125 years and describe the hatches used on steambarges hauling stone? 
 
i am building a model of the steambarge Margaret Olwill based upon the only known photo (see below). This was taken on June 27th, 1899 of her as she sat at the stone loading dock on Kelly's Island, Lake Erie. . She loaded limestone that day, left for Cleveland at midnight (50 mile trip) to be off Cleveland  early June 28, 1899. Ran into a Nor'Easter, off Lorain, Ohio, broke her steering chain, cargo shifted and rolled over sinking 8 miles off Lorain.  Nine lives lost, including her captain, his wife, son and a guest, as well as five of her nine crew. The wreck was located in 2017. Two hatch cover can be seem leaning against the port rail. Note: There are no plans of vessel. Model is built from this photo and similar steambarges of the timeframe. 

Thanks for your input. I have two sets of plans that I am using for a reference. One is A.J. Fishers "Huron Brave", which is a Great Lakes bulk wooden steamer that never existed, and the other is the Smithsonian WPA plans for the wooden steamer from 1890 "Sidney O. Neff." Neither show the details for the hatch covers. The Neff drawings show a partial crosshatch drawing on the hatch cover, displaying the end grain of the wood pieces that make up the hatch cover. The grain runs fore and aft, but does not show whether the hatch cover is one or more sections. Converting the plan dimensions for the hatch covers shown for the Neff, they are: fore: 8' x 8', mid: 8' x 13' 7 aft: 8' x 10'. The Huron Braves drawing shows the hatch covers 8' x 16'.  In the photo, the hatch covers are leaning against a 4 foot high bulwark. Using that as a reference, the hatch cover shown is a 6'x 4' section and that the hatch opening is 6' x 8'. That is based upon the assumption that the other halve of the hatch cover is leaning against the starboard bulwark.
By the way, what looks like damage to the starboard side of the hull is, Photo Shop handling of a engine draining pipe and the discoloration caused by waste water on the side of the hull.   
 
Thanks for your help and Roger, good thread on your build. 

Thanks for your input. I have two sets of plans that I am using for a reference. One is A.J. Fishers "Huron Brave", which is a Great Lakes bulk wooden steamer that never existed, and the other is the Smithsonian WPA plans for the wooden steamer from 1890 "Sidney O. Neff." Neither show the details for the hatch covers. The Neff drawings show a partial crosshatch drawing on the hatch cover, displaying the end grain of the wood pieces that make up the hatch cover. The grain runs fore and aft, but does not show whether the hatch cover is one or more sections. Converting the plan dimensions for the hatch covers shown for the Neff, they are: fore: 8' x 8', mid: 8' x 13' 7 aft: 8' x 10'. The Huron Braves drawing shows the hatch covers 8' x 16'.  In the photo, the hatch covers are leaning against a 4 foot high bulwark. Using that as a reference, the hatch cover shown is a 6'x 4' section and that the hatch opening is 6' x 8'. That is based upon the assumption that the other halve of the hatch cover is leaning against the starboard bulwark.
By the way, what looks like damage to the starboard side of the hull is, Photo Shop handling of a engine draining pipe and the discoloration caused by waste water on the side of the hull.   
 
Thanks for your help and Roger, good thread on your build. 

Thanks for your input. I have two sets of plans that I am using for a reference. One is A.J. Fishers "Huron Brave", which is a Great Lakes bulk wooden steamer that never existed, and the other is the Smithsonian WPA plans for the wooden steamer from 1890 "Sidney O. Neff." Neither show the details for the hatch covers. The Neff drawings show a partial crosshatch drawing on the hatch cover, displaying the end grain of the wood pieces that make up the hatch cover. The grain runs fore and aft, but does not show whether the hatch cover is one or more sections. Converting the plan dimensions for the hatch covers shown for the Neff, they are: fore: 8' x 8', mid: 8' x 13' 7 aft: 8' x 10'. The Huron Braves drawing shows the hatch covers 8' x 16'.  In the photo, the hatch covers are leaning against a 4 foot high bulwark. Using that as a reference, the hatch cover shown is a 6'x 4' section and that the hatch opening is 6' x 8'. That is based upon the assumption that the other halve of the hatch cover is leaning against the starboard bulwark.
By the way, what looks like damage to the starboard side of the hull is, Photo Shop handling of a engine draining pipe and the discoloration caused by waste water on the side of the hull.   
 
Thanks for your help and Roger, good thread on your build. 

Interesting. Could you drop back 125 years and describe the hatches used on steambarges hauling stone? 
 
i am building a model of the steambarge Margaret Olwill based upon the only known photo (see below). This was taken on June 27th, 1899 of her as she sat at the stone loading dock on Kelly's Island, Lake Erie. . She loaded limestone that day, left for Cleveland at midnight (50 mile trip) to be off Cleveland  early June 28, 1899. Ran into a Nor'Easter, off Lorain, Ohio, broke her steering chain, cargo shifted and rolled over sinking 8 miles off Lorain.  Nine lives lost, including her captain, his wife, son and a guest, as well as five of her nine crew. The wreck was located in 2017. Two hatch cover can be seem leaning against the port rail. Note: There are no plans of vessel. Model is built from this photo and similar steambarges of the timeframe. 

Interesting. Could you drop back 125 years and describe the hatches used on steambarges hauling stone? 
 
i am building a model of the steambarge Margaret Olwill based upon the only known photo (see below). This was taken on June 27th, 1899 of her as she sat at the stone loading dock on Kelly's Island, Lake Erie. . She loaded limestone that day, left for Cleveland at midnight (50 mile trip) to be off Cleveland  early June 28, 1899. Ran into a Nor'Easter, off Lorain, Ohio, broke her steering chain, cargo shifted and rolled over sinking 8 miles off Lorain.  Nine lives lost, including her captain, his wife, son and a guest, as well as five of her nine crew. The wreck was located in 2017. Two hatch cover can be seem leaning against the port rail. Note: There are no plans of vessel. Model is built from this photo and similar steambarges of the timeframe. 

Interesting. Could you drop back 125 years and describe the hatches used on steambarges hauling stone? 
 
i am building a model of the steambarge Margaret Olwill based upon the only known photo (see below). This was taken on June 27th, 1899 of her as she sat at the stone loading dock on Kelly's Island, Lake Erie. . She loaded limestone that day, left for Cleveland at midnight (50 mile trip) to be off Cleveland  early June 28, 1899. Ran into a Nor'Easter, off Lorain, Ohio, broke her steering chain, cargo shifted and rolled over sinking 8 miles off Lorain.  Nine lives lost, including her captain, his wife, son and a guest, as well as five of her nine crew. The wreck was located in 2017. Two hatch cover can be seem leaning against the port rail. Note: There are no plans of vessel. Model is built from this photo and similar steambarges of the timeframe. 

Interesting. Could you drop back 125 years and describe the hatches used on steambarges hauling stone? 
 
i am building a model of the steambarge Margaret Olwill based upon the only known photo (see below). This was taken on June 27th, 1899 of her as she sat at the stone loading dock on Kelly's Island, Lake Erie. . She loaded limestone that day, left for Cleveland at midnight (50 mile trip) to be off Cleveland  early June 28, 1899. Ran into a Nor'Easter, off Lorain, Ohio, broke her steering chain, cargo shifted and rolled over sinking 8 miles off Lorain.  Nine lives lost, including her captain, his wife, son and a guest, as well as five of her nine crew. The wreck was located in 2017. Two hatch cover can be seem leaning against the port rail. Note: There are no plans of vessel. Model is built from this photo and similar steambarges of the timeframe. 

Interesting. Could you drop back 125 years and describe the hatches used on steambarges hauling stone? 
 
i am building a model of the steambarge Margaret Olwill based upon the only known photo (see below). This was taken on June 27th, 1899 of her as she sat at the stone loading dock on Kelly's Island, Lake Erie. . She loaded limestone that day, left for Cleveland at midnight (50 mile trip) to be off Cleveland  early June 28, 1899. Ran into a Nor'Easter, off Lorain, Ohio, broke her steering chain, cargo shifted and rolled over sinking 8 miles off Lorain.  Nine lives lost, including her captain, his wife, son and a guest, as well as five of her nine crew. The wreck was located in 2017. Two hatch cover can be seem leaning against the port rail. Note: There are no plans of vessel. Model is built from this photo and similar steambarges of the timeframe. 

The kit WASA has been sold

There is also a box of wood strips and a packet of plans.  The damage noted is on the exterior to he lid with no damage found on any of the contents.
 

The kit WASA has been sold

The WASA, a royal Swedish vessel with 64 guns sank in the waters around Stockholm on the day it was launched (10 August 1628) as the result of a violent gust of wind. The ship settled in 35 m of water. Construction on the vessel started in 1625, under the direction of the Dutch architect Henrik Hybertsson. While some guns and a few other objects had been recovered earlier, it was only possible to bring the ship to the surface in 1956. Partially rebuilt and restored, the WASA was installed in the Wasa Museum in Stockholm in 1958.Our reproduction of the WASA is based on the excellent graphic reproductions published by the Board of the Museum.
Corel's Wasa wooden model ship kit includes more than 350 gilded cast metal decorations designed by sculptor V. Marino of Milan. 64 turned brass canon barrels, fittings in walnut, beech, copper and brass. Hull is double-planked in basswood and walnut. Includes 9 large sheets of plans and step-by-step instructions. This advanced kit is for those who are looking to build a masterpiece of a model.
The kit is being sold by a club member from Phoenix, AZ. Retired but due to medical issues and downsizing to smaller housing, he is selling this kit at half its original value. The kit has been opened but all parts and supplies are in their original containers. There is damage to the box cover, but no damage to interior content.
 
Price does not included shipping. Weight of kit: 10.0 lbs. UPS Ground (Ohio – California) = $75.00; includes: $7 packing; $11 Insurance.
 
First post with "I'll take it" will be contacted.

Roger, I agree with you on the life of wooden ships on the Great Lakes.
 
The Margaret Olwill was built in 1887 as a steambarge, rebuilt in 1890 as a propeller and in 1893 returned back to a steambarge. From my research to date, from launch in 1887 to her sinking in 1899, she was owned and operated by L.A. & J.A. Smith, Cleveland and they appear to be in the construction, excavation business. I have found legal documentation that reference work in 1892 (proposals for work at the mouth of the Detroit river, a contract in writing was entered into December 31, 1892, by O. M. Poe, Colonel, Corps of Engineers, U. S. Army, and appellees, by which the latter agreed to excavate a ship channel 20 and 21 feet deep, located in section 8 of the Detroit River. They won in court.) The Smith Co. owned land on the Cuyahoga River where the Margaret Olwill was built. It appears the vessels were used to haul building supplies and rock. The contract that the Olwill was providing limestone for was the breakwall being built for the Cleveland harbor.
 
In my research work I have found that the life of a wooden vessel, if they lasted, went from a sidewheel steamer or propeller to sail and then to a barge for hauling bulk materials or for storage.

Roger, thanks for the lead.  It is good to see another picture of the M. Olwill.  My picture, taken the day before she sank, does not have that third mast on the cargo deck. The stern house matches the photo and I now have a side view of the pilot house. I also painted the hull the same color the artist did. Good guess on my part. 
Thanks again, and have a great Thanksgiving.

Roger, I agree with you on the life of wooden ships on the Great Lakes.
 
The Margaret Olwill was built in 1887 as a steambarge, rebuilt in 1890 as a propeller and in 1893 returned back to a steambarge. From my research to date, from launch in 1887 to her sinking in 1899, she was owned and operated by L.A. & J.A. Smith, Cleveland and they appear to be in the construction, excavation business. I have found legal documentation that reference work in 1892 (proposals for work at the mouth of the Detroit river, a contract in writing was entered into December 31, 1892, by O. M. Poe, Colonel, Corps of Engineers, U. S. Army, and appellees, by which the latter agreed to excavate a ship channel 20 and 21 feet deep, located in section 8 of the Detroit River. They won in court.) The Smith Co. owned land on the Cuyahoga River where the Margaret Olwill was built. It appears the vessels were used to haul building supplies and rock. The contract that the Olwill was providing limestone for was the breakwall being built for the Cleveland harbor.
 
In my research work I have found that the life of a wooden vessel, if they lasted, went from a sidewheel steamer or propeller to sail and then to a barge for hauling bulk materials or for storage.

Roger, I agree with you on the life of wooden ships on the Great Lakes.
 
The Margaret Olwill was built in 1887 as a steambarge, rebuilt in 1890 as a propeller and in 1893 returned back to a steambarge. From my research to date, from launch in 1887 to her sinking in 1899, she was owned and operated by L.A. & J.A. Smith, Cleveland and they appear to be in the construction, excavation business. I have found legal documentation that reference work in 1892 (proposals for work at the mouth of the Detroit river, a contract in writing was entered into December 31, 1892, by O. M. Poe, Colonel, Corps of Engineers, U. S. Army, and appellees, by which the latter agreed to excavate a ship channel 20 and 21 feet deep, located in section 8 of the Detroit River. They won in court.) The Smith Co. owned land on the Cuyahoga River where the Margaret Olwill was built. It appears the vessels were used to haul building supplies and rock. The contract that the Olwill was providing limestone for was the breakwall being built for the Cleveland harbor.
 
In my research work I have found that the life of a wooden vessel, if they lasted, went from a sidewheel steamer or propeller to sail and then to a barge for hauling bulk materials or for storage.

Roger, I agree with you on the life of wooden ships on the Great Lakes.
 
The Margaret Olwill was built in 1887 as a steambarge, rebuilt in 1890 as a propeller and in 1893 returned back to a steambarge. From my research to date, from launch in 1887 to her sinking in 1899, she was owned and operated by L.A. & J.A. Smith, Cleveland and they appear to be in the construction, excavation business. I have found legal documentation that reference work in 1892 (proposals for work at the mouth of the Detroit river, a contract in writing was entered into December 31, 1892, by O. M. Poe, Colonel, Corps of Engineers, U. S. Army, and appellees, by which the latter agreed to excavate a ship channel 20 and 21 feet deep, located in section 8 of the Detroit River. They won in court.) The Smith Co. owned land on the Cuyahoga River where the Margaret Olwill was built. It appears the vessels were used to haul building supplies and rock. The contract that the Olwill was providing limestone for was the breakwall being built for the Cleveland harbor.
 
In my research work I have found that the life of a wooden vessel, if they lasted, went from a sidewheel steamer or propeller to sail and then to a barge for hauling bulk materials or for storage.

Roger, I agree with you on the life of wooden ships on the Great Lakes.
 
The Margaret Olwill was built in 1887 as a steambarge, rebuilt in 1890 as a propeller and in 1893 returned back to a steambarge. From my research to date, from launch in 1887 to her sinking in 1899, she was owned and operated by L.A. & J.A. Smith, Cleveland and they appear to be in the construction, excavation business. I have found legal documentation that reference work in 1892 (proposals for work at the mouth of the Detroit river, a contract in writing was entered into December 31, 1892, by O. M. Poe, Colonel, Corps of Engineers, U. S. Army, and appellees, by which the latter agreed to excavate a ship channel 20 and 21 feet deep, located in section 8 of the Detroit River. They won in court.) The Smith Co. owned land on the Cuyahoga River where the Margaret Olwill was built. It appears the vessels were used to haul building supplies and rock. The contract that the Olwill was providing limestone for was the breakwall being built for the Cleveland harbor.
 
In my research work I have found that the life of a wooden vessel, if they lasted, went from a sidewheel steamer or propeller to sail and then to a barge for hauling bulk materials or for storage.

Roger, thanks for the lead.  It is good to see another picture of the M. Olwill.  My picture, taken the day before she sank, does not have that third mast on the cargo deck. The stern house matches the photo and I now have a side view of the pilot house. I also painted the hull the same color the artist did. Good guess on my part. 
Thanks again, and have a great Thanksgiving.

Roger, thanks for the lead.  It is good to see another picture of the M. Olwill.  My picture, taken the day before she sank, does not have that third mast on the cargo deck. The stern house matches the photo and I now have a side view of the pilot house. I also painted the hull the same color the artist did. Good guess on my part. 
Thanks again, and have a great Thanksgiving.

Roger, thanks for the lead.  It is good to see another picture of the M. Olwill.  My picture, taken the day before she sank, does not have that third mast on the cargo deck. The stern house matches the photo and I now have a side view of the pilot house. I also painted the hull the same color the artist did. Good guess on my part. 
Thanks again, and have a great Thanksgiving.