TJM

Very nice information, thank you! This makes your theory quite plausible, I think!

I am not sure the logic holds. I agree that this is a possibility, but it relies on the assumption that Grunth copied the Swedish drawing. Do we know this is the case? Grunth's drawing fits perfectly with a 42 pounder, from a bore size PoV. But of course that would be the case if the calibre is the only unit of measurement used to make the drawing. And he just assumed the 42 pounds was the Danish measurement. Regarding the weight, I end up with close to 2500 kg based on the volume of a 3D modelled version. That is closer to Grunth's measurement for the weight, but somewhere in between your two calculations. I am not sure how to settle this definately. Mind you, I am not saying you are not right here, I am just saying that I cannot prove it with the volume calculation.

@Waldemar, it seems the canon is actually a 42 pounder: it is also depicted in the Grunth collection: It is extremely short, only 13 calibres. Even a 24 pounder at 17-20 calibres would be longer overall, like it's neighbors on the page above. But it seems the 42 pound designation on the Swedish drawing is actually the Danish poundage. The search for a C4 36 pounder continues! 😅

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Fantastic,thank you so much! Where is this image from? Is it a physical book, or do you have a link to the source?

But perhaps I am wrong.... This one appeas to be a 12 pounder if I scale as described above, but it clearly states on the drawing that it is a 6 pounder 😅 hmmm...

Hmm, I know it was common to measure the length of the bore in calibres, but I don't think the scales in these drawings are abitrary - I agree that the guns are scaled to the size of the paper, but the scale is matching as well. If I scale drawings (at 1/64 scale just for my convenience) to the known 24 pounder from Grunth, and then scale all of Thelott's drawings to that one, I get a very consistent pattern: all the ones i would guess would be 24 pounders (a well known series called 'konger' = kings) all end up with close to the same bore diameter (2.7 cm at my 1/64 scale - plus/minus 0,15 mm). I have also found what must be a 48 pounder and some 8 pounders. So I do think the scale is somehow absolute and can be used to infer the shot size from the indicted bore diameter. But I have not found any 36 pounders. and I think I have looked into the ones that was plausible. But there are still so many nice patterns of other sizes, so it is really a great collection!

I will probably not go through all of them, but the ones I do find the poundage of, I will report back on. But the scale in the drawings are puzzling. It goes from 0 to 24 in increments of 4, so I assumed the unit was Swedish inches, and thus the total would be two Swedish feet. But that does not fit at all! I have a pattern of 24 pounder which is depicted both by Thellott and Grunth so I can make a direct comparison there snd use that for the rest of the Thelott drawings. The difference is huge: if I assume Thelott's scale is Swedish inches, I have to reduce to 0.603 scale to fit the Grunth drawing! Was there a unit of length used at Thelott's time that was 0.603 of a Swedish inch? Around 14.9 mm?

Wow, thanks! It looks like there is another 70 or so Danish artillery pieces in that collection! Thanks! I will hunt for a 36 pounder from Chr. IV's time, I have not found one yet in other sources 😁

Yes, I am running with 2px 30% AA but to be honest, I don't see much difference whatever I try with regards to AA. I clearly see the blurring on the slices, but no real effect on the print. But AA must be highly dependent on dialing in the correct exposure, otherwise 30% exposure quickly becomes much more in reality. And that is one of the benefits of the DLP printer I have: there is almost no pixel bleed, so exposure is not very critical, as anything above 'enough' will give good prints. I guess I should try to play around with this a bit to see if I can optimize it a bit.

That still sounds very interesting, do you have a link to work in the Swedish archive?

Very happy to help! I had also seen low res reproductions in works by Niels Probst and was looking for the originals - they are available from antique bookshops, but at very high prices. So happy we have a fantastic public library infrastructure! I also afterwards found the non-shaded version already scanned at KB: https://soeg.kb.dk/discovery/fulldisplay?docid=alma99124201153505763&context=L&vid=45KBDK_KGL:KGL&lang=da&search_scope=MyInst_and_CI&adaptor=Local Search Engine&tab=Everything&query=any,contains,metalskyts&offset=0 But the shaded ones are prettier 🙂

I have tried in Blender as well - the problem is that most of my polygons are in the ornaments, and very few are in the cannon, even though it takes up most of the surface. But when I re-mesh, I get a more even distribution of polygons, which means the drop in quality on the ornaments is huge and I get a lot of extra polygons on the cannon that does more bad than good! Even with adaptive voxel re-mesh. I get to 1.5 million polys, but the drop in quality on the ornamets is 10-fold! I had not! but it gave a huge saving of around 50%, so here it is! Danish 36 pdr - 1733 - C6 1-64 scale.stl.zip I don't why I didn't think of that - thanks!

Time for little update. With a lot of pictures! I have been looking for a specific collection of lithographies from 1860 depicting Danish bronze cannon - it is called 'Gammelt Dansk Metalskyts fra det XVIde-XVIIIde Århundrede' which translates to 'Old Danish Metal Artillery from the 16th-18th century'. 'Metal' here means bronze, as opposed to iron. I found the the royal library had several copies, but none were scanned. It turns out they offer a scanning service free of charge, at least for some documents, so I just placed a request and 3 days later I received an email with a lik to a nice, high resolution PDF scan! To say I was happy is an understatement! The drawings are absolutely wonderfull, here's a taste (btw, it is fully permissable to reproduce these for any purpose, as long as credit is given to the royal library - you can find the work now as open access here)here : These are primarily from the 1600's as these from the time of Christian IV, but there are a few from the 1700's as well, and one from the time of Christian VI - basically corresponding to the 36 pounder I posted before - except now I can see the excact decoration of that cannon - the top one in this image: Quite a bit more than just a monogram! Fortunately this is exactly the kind of thing Meshy can help with. I made a total of 5 Meshy runs for various parts of the decoration: 1) the year and frame 2) the motto frame 3) wreath and crown (blank oval) 4) the portrait of Chr. VI 5) the monogram Based on the mothly subscription cost, this is $2 worth of AI help 😁 Then it is a question of 'wrapping' the assets around the gun barrel and composing the whole model. Somone who knows Blender and the likes can do this seamlessly - I just chop the assets into strips/pieces and angle them to get an overall curve. That is a very crude way to du it, but at our modelling scales, it works just fine. Here's a few shots of the 3D model: The text is made seperately, drawn in CAD, extruded, imported and placed correctly. I am quite happy with how this turned out! Here's a 1:1 comparison with the drawing: So, does it print? I chose this particular cannon as I have been helping @Beckmann with cannons for his Tre Kroner and now that I had the actual drawing of the 36 pounder, it was obvious to try to make this one. I have printed a set of 1/32 scale for Beckmann and a single 1/64 scale, just to see what would show at that scale: It is very hard to see the details on the beige resin, but it shows better under the UV curing light: Painted black: Bronze highlights: Weathered: (this might require some work to get good...) Remember, these are macro shots, and it looks a bit rough in places and with the stark flash light, print layer lines are showing quite prominently in the photos - they are almost invisible in real life. I am also a bit limitet by the 50 mu resolution of my printer - higher resolution of down to 14-18 mu pixels are common for 8K-16K printers and that would surely improve the final print quality! Finally, here are some images of the 1/64 scale print: The guy at the back, for scale, is also made with Meshy, based on a ChatGPT made image - double AI! 😅 Due to the enormous polygon count (2.55 million) , I cannot upload the STL file here - I will try to see if I can re-mesh it but I have not found a reliable program to do that with yet. I will upload if I find a good solution! BR TJM

I will be very interested to see which ship this will be! I really like the ship design of this period and not a lot of (modern) kits are available from this period.

Here is a bit of background on A. Turesen (his name is given as both 'Anders' and 'Andreas' in the sources). Since Judichær became the first Fabriksmester around 1700, the position had been given to someone with deep understanding of the mathematics behind shipbuilding. Aften Knud Benstrup was sacked (mostly unjustified) after an issue with Christianus Sixtus, in 1736, there was no candidate to take over the Fabriksmester position. Or rather, D. Thura took over, but he was not a capable ship designer - his Fyen from 1737, though very pretty, was apparently a very poor sailing ship - and so he held the title in the original meaning: the one who ran the daily operations in the shipyard at Holmen. A Frenchman, Laurent Barbé, was hired but there were numerous collaboration issues with him, Thurah, the Construction Commission etc. He was suspended in 1747 and his ships, while very beautiful, did not perform too well. This is where Turesen and A. gerner (farther of the famous Henrik Gerner) comes into the picture. The following is a translation of a small section of 'Danske Orlogsskibe 1690-1860' During this period, work in the Construction Commission was based on a regulation that had been approved in 1741, in which the standard measurements and the prescribed armament for the various ship classes were listed. In connection with Danneskjold-Samsøe’s departure, Thura sought to exploit the situation. In the autumn of 1746 he submitted to the head of Holmen a proposal that the Construction Commission be dissolved, and that a smaller permanent committee instead be established to supervise shipbuilding and prepare construction drawings. Besides himself, the committee was to consist of Wegersløff, A. Gerner, and A. Turesen. Thura did not succeed in getting this proposal approved. The driving force in shipbuilding at Holmen after Benstrup’s departure was his apprentice, shipbuilder Andreas Turesen. He had worked his way up from shipbuilding apprentice and even became senior shipbuilder. Turesen also proved to be a capable designer and increasingly made his mark. He designed and built the 90-gun ship FRIDERICUS QUINTUS (fig. 33). Already in 1750 the Construction Commission had requested the two shipbuilders P. Brock and P. Kiønig to submit drawings for a 90-gun ship-of-the-line according to the regulations. These were submitted on 30 April of the same year, though only signed by Kiønig. In 1752 the Construction Commission then asked A. Turesen to prepare drawings for a similar ship. These were submitted to the commission on 16 October 1752, after which the commission reviewed both Kiønig’s earlier drawing and Turesen’s. In a letter of 30 October it was recommended to the head of Holmen that Turesen’s drawing be followed. Both sets of drawings were sent with the recommendation, however. Later the Admiralty sent the drawings to the King and recommended that Turesen’s plan be followed. The King agreed and approved it on 13 November 1752. Work on the ship now began, and on 14 January 1753 the Construction Commission was asked to inspect and measure the set-up frames. The ship was launched on 24 November 1753 under the name FRIDERICUS QUINTUS. During the period in question, yet another designer made his mark. This was the naval officer A. Gerner, who, in connection with the collection of four fire-ships in England in 1743, brought home the drawings of the English ship-of-the-line AUGUSTA (fig. 34), a 60-gun ship. This ship was a copy of the French man-of-war SUPERBE. AUGUSTA was built in 1737 and was considered an exceptionally good-sailing ship. A. Gerner had in 1732 been ordered abroad to study ship construction and had been a member of the Construction Commission since 1739. In May 1745 he submitted a drawing for a 50-gun ship of Kiønig’s type, which for Danish conditions was considered to be the best design. He also considered it the most difficult to construct from a shipbuilding-technical standpoint. The drawing was made as a reduction of the drawings for AUGUSTA. The ship FYEN, which became A. Gerner’s only one, was built in 1749 and was considered one of the best sailing ships the Danish-Norwegian fleet had ever had. Until as late as 1767 a total of eight warships were built according to FYEN’s drawings or as reductions of them. A. Gerner did not live to receive recognition for his successful design. He died already in 1749, apparently embittered by the harassment connected with the work on the ship’s construction. It is said that shortly before his death he extracted a promise from his two eldest sons that they would never involve themselves in shipbuilding. The younger sons, including Henrik Gerner (see later), were too young to be bound by such an oath. In 1758 Thura was dismissed as master-builder and instead received the position of commandant at the Tollbooth. Since the establishment of the Construction Commission he had not designed ships. He died only in 1788. End of excerpt. Turesen made 2 ships of the line and 5 frigates, but also constructed 6 of the ships based on A. Gerners Fyen mentioned above! So all in all, he did a lot of the actual work in the 1747-1757 period. He died in 1757 and F.M. Krabbe took over the full Fabriksmester position in 1758.

Very interesting Arthur! I look forward to following you progress here! I also really like Turesens designs. He was not acting as 'fabriksmester' as Benstrup or later Krabbe, but he built many of the Ships in that interim period in the 1740's and 1750's, and they seem to have been well liked and generally lasted a long time. If you are looking for information on him, I can paraphrase what 'Danske Orlogsskibe 1690-1860' has to say? Do you have all the drawings of Wildmanden from the archive? Here is the catalog entry for it: It has a very nice set of decorations: Regarding the wales, I think you have it right. The drawing clearly shows the upper edge, just below the gun-ports. The middle frames for (almost?) all Danish ships after around 1730 does not show the thin double wales of the previous century, but rather these thicker ones, or even as this one just thicker planks that get progressively smaller further towards the keel. However it is puzzling, as the contemporary paintings often still show two thin lines for wales all the way up to Gerner's time in the 1770's! Perhaps they were just painted this way at this point in time? I will look for the model of Wilmanden next time I visit Krigsmuseet, though I am not sure exactly when that will be. Also, are you 3D modelling the ship, or are you preparing to make a wooden model as well? BR TJM

Thank you Matthias and Ronald 😃.

Thank you so much @brunnels! The copper roof is actually super easy: any base copper paint and then Citadel Nihilakh Oxide, which is a matt pigment verdigris wash. That's it!

Log entry 32 - painting the stern decorations After some colour and technique tests earlier, I have now completed what I think will be the final version of the stern and side galleries. I will show the steps of the painting process, so sorry in advance for the large number of pictures in this post! 😅 After base coating the model black, I airbrushed the red window frames and the red panels. This was done with two shades of red over a couple of passes with the airbrush: After this, I went in and painted all the black parts, taking care not to mess up the red parts - it is almost impossible to touch up on the airbrushed red without it showing! Then the yellow parts were base coated with brown - this took forever as I had to move very, very slowly: So far so good! Then comes tje most difficult job, which is to do the yellow. It takes even longer than the brown as it needs 2-3 coats. The friese and other 3D decorations are drybrushed on. The last step is highlights with beige, using drybrushing. Phew! Just missing the red flags. Here is a comparison with my colour test from a few weeks ago. And finally som images with the part on the ship (just dry fitted as I need to figure out what to do with the window glass and finish the planking before it is attached permanently). This is the best I can do painting wise I think, and I think it will look good in the end. The camera picks up all the harsh colour transitions, but it looks smoother in real life. And just a fun shot here at the end of all the different iterations I have gone through... 🫣 I am happy to have this done - it was by far the most difficult kit-bashing for this project, so having completed it, the rest of the build should be much more straight sailing, following the manual! BR TJM

Probably not too much, unfortunately. Acc. to 'Den historiske modelsamling på Holmen', by P. Holck from 1939, the masts and rig suffered considerable damage in the 1795 fire. It was supposedly meticulously restored afterwards.

3 pounder - C6 monogram: 3 pund C6.stl 4 pounder - C6 monogram: 4 pund C6.stl 6 pounder - C6 monogram: 6 pund C6.stl 8 pounder - C6 monogram: 8 pund C6.stl 12 pounder - C6 monogram: 12 pund C6.stl 18 pounder - C6 monogram: 18 pund C6.stl 24 pounder - C6 monogram: 24 pund C6.stl 36 pounder - C6 monogram: 36 pund C6.stl 42 pounder - C6 monogram: 42 pund C6.stl

3 pounder - no monogram: 3 pund.stl 4 pounder - no monogram: 4 pund.stl 6 pounder - no monogram: 6 pund.stl 8 pounder - no monogram: 8 pund.stl 12 pounder - no monogram: 12 pund.stl 18 pounder - no monogram: 18 pund.stl 24 pounder - no monogram: 24 pund.stl 36 pounder - no monogram: 36 pund.stl 42 pounder - no monogram: 42 pund.stl

Hi All, Greatly inspired by @thibaultron's efforts to design and share 3D printable STL files for various series and times, I thought I would do the same for the very niche area of Danish Cannons. I am researching this for my own projects, and thought I would share with everyone. I will make occasional updates when I have new designs to share. For this first post, I have found a series of cannons from the period 1720-1750. They are from a Kaddet book and the scans cam be found here: https://www.arkeliet.no/sources/kadett_fm_1700/kadettbok1700t.htm The series is one of the most complete onse I have found and includes: 3 pdr, 4 pdr, 6 pdr, 8 pdr, 12 pdr, 18 pdr, 24 pdr, 36 pdr and 42 pdr cannon designs, sometimes severel versions/lenghts of each. I have started with just one lenght of each as can be seen in the table below. Here are the drawings used: Here you can see the files, except for the 42 pounder: And then I have versions with the monogram of King Christian VI, which should be appropriate for the period (though Frederik IV and Fredrik V could also be appropriate). You can see some of these (8, 18 and 36 pounders) printed in 1/32 scale in @Beckmann's build log for Tre Kroner. The STL files are in 1:64 scale, but are of course easily re-sizable to any other scale. I will attach the STLs in the next few posts BR TJM

@Arthur Goulart, as the drawings of artillery in the Danish Archive are rarely dated or directly connected to specific ships, there is unfortunately no nice way to find anything specific. So I do what you do and plow through the drawings. Have a look at F278-F360, there are quite a few artillery drawings in that range. A Norwegian site has scans of a Kadet book on Danish artillery. It was likely compiled in the 1720's-1750's: https://www.arkeliet.no/sources/kadett_fm_1700/kadettbok1700t.htm These are 'metal' canons, meaning bronze, as opposed to iron. BR TJM