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Elia reacted to Rustyj in HMS Winchelsea 1764 by Rustyj - 1/64 - POB - 32-Gun Frigate
Thank you all for the likes. I see that you are all "liking" it as much as I am!
aliluke, It is a great adventure into scratch building. The Cheerful looks like a wonderful
project too and that will be a build waaaaay down the road for me too.
Hi Bob, and I always look forward to your posts my friend.
Hi Grant yes it is such a shame that I have to toil away at this day after boring day.
Alright then. On to the hance pieces. These were cut from boxwood and are oversized
width wise. Once glued in place they were faired to match the hull lines. I have only
faired the outboard portion of the hull at this point.
To give you an idea of the length of the practicum this completes the third chapter.
In the forth chapter I will be planking the hull from the wales upward.
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Elia reacted to Rustyj in HMS Winchelsea 1764 by Rustyj - 1/64 - POB - 32-Gun Frigate
Hi Chuck, Not gonna happen. The planking of the hull will take a loooooong long time if
I hope to come even close to your work..
Thanks Augie. They are so much fun aren't they!
Thanks Mike and Ben.
Thank you Al D. The practicum and plans are outstanding. You will love it.
Hi Bob, The pleasure is all mine.
Ok I've squirreled myself away most of the last few days and have made a good deal of progress.
Here is a picture of the plans depicting the stern framing.
There are eight stern frame sections that fit into the slotted bulkhead section.
The next step was to add the sills for the stern lights and the lintel filler pieces above
them. I used both the plans and the transom cut out to alien everything.
In case you can't tell I'm having a ball here!
Once it all dried the stern was sanded smooth. I then added framing the quarter
gallery entrance and the aft-most gun port.
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Elia reacted to Rustyj in HMS Winchelsea 1764 by Rustyj - 1/64 - POB - 32-Gun Frigate
Hi All,
The framing of the gun ports is moving along nicely and one pleasant thing I learned was that
there are no sweep ports to worry about.
A batten strip was pinned to the bulwarks at the previously marked reference lines and a smooth
run was established. I then marked the bulkheads for the final placement of the sills. The sill and
lintels were cut from boxwood.
At the bow the bridle port fell over a bulkhead and the bulkhead had to be cut away prior to framing it.
To add the lintels a piece was cut at the correct height and long enough to sit on both sills this
gave a consistent height and eliminated the need to measure each one.
I have done the preliminary sanding to the out board side.
On to the transom soon!
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Elia reacted to Rustyj in HMS Winchelsea 1764 by Rustyj - 1/64 - POB - 32-Gun Frigate
Hi Ben, Unfortunately it's a long haul for me and I won't be able to attend.
Sorry it should be a great time. I hope you get to go.
Ok I've been moving along just haven't been able to find time to post.
The hull is faired fairly close to its final shape. I still have a little work to do on
the tops of the bulkheads but I'll wait until I frame the gun ports to finish it up.
I didn't need to use any cross bracing either. The plywood was good and solid
and I was careful too.
I next planked the two platforms of the lower deck with pau marfim.
After that it was time to add the bow fillers and bollard timbers. Two of the fillers
needed to be a total of 7/32" thick. While the third timber needed to be 3/16" thick.
Chuck used two pieces to obtain the 7/32" thickness, (1 x 3/16" & 1 x 1/32"), I used
my thickness sander to thin down a piece of 1/4" wood I had to the 7/16". Same result
I just used one piece.
After that it was time to make the bollard timbers. these are not the traditional way to
make them but seeing there are bulkheads and not frames only the tops will be seen.
As you can see from the plans there are different angles, thicknesses and a hole it was
a bit of a challenge. At least every piece was made twice and some three time before
an acceptable one was obtained.
The bollard timbers are just set in place for now. Next up it is time to start framing in the gun ports.
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Elia reacted to Rustyj in HMS Winchelsea 1764 by Rustyj - 1/64 - POB - 32-Gun Frigate
Hi All,
Not much to report on. I have started sanding/fairing the lower portion of the hull. When I do that
I set the hull upside down on a small homemade down draft table to help contain the dust. I place
some wood blocks on the table that are thick enough to keep the tops of the bulwarks from hitting
the table and hopefully protecting them. Then it's just a matter of sanding, checking with some
planking strips, sand some more, etc etc etc.
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Elia reacted to Rustyj in HMS Winchelsea 1764 by Rustyj - 1/64 - POB - 32-Gun Frigate
Hi Chuck S.
I'm no chemist but I don't believe the stuff I use is water based. It's Elmer's Craft Bond
Rubber Cement . It also has a warning that it is flammable and has a smell like contact
cement. Like any liquid that you put on paper it could cause distortion. When I place
the paper on the wood I try to lay it as gently as possible and not to pull or stretch it.
If I have doubts I'll closely compare it to the plans. So far no issues for me doing it this way.
Well all of the bulkheads and braces have been glued in place, and it is very solid. I won't
have to worry while fairing the main part of the hull. As I move up to the tops of the
bulkheads especially the longer ones I may use some bracing on them. I'll have to see
what's what when I get there.
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Elia reacted to Chuck in HMS Winchelsea 1764 by Rustyj - 1/64 - POB - 32-Gun Frigate
Never a kit...just the plans and book. It will be a while to Seawatch Books dismay. But they will publish a book with plans. I will supply some materials and laser cut parts, but not a kit.
Chuck
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Elia reacted to Chuck in HMS Winchelsea 1764 by Rustyj - 1/64 - POB - 32-Gun Frigate
Yupp....you are correct. There is one for every station line. Four times as many in a typical kit. It will make framing the gunports easier as well.
Chuck
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Elia reacted to Rustyj in HMS Winchelsea 1764 by Rustyj - 1/64 - POB - 32-Gun Frigate
Hi druxey, I'm hoping that by measuring at the former where there is no movement and by paying
close attention to the fit I should be able to keep a creeping error out of it. Fingers are crossed here.
Hi Daniel, Oops I got talking about the bulkheads and filler blocks I forgot all about adding the stem
and keel. Chuck uses a cleaver way to create the rabbet. He has you glue a 3/32" x 1/16" stripe on
the edge of the bulkhead former. It extends down the stem and continues along the bottom edge of
the bulkhead former. Once the keel and stem are added, this strip will form the rabbet. At the stern
I had to trim the former to form the bearding line. Once this was completed the stem is test fitted
against the rabbet strip and adjusted until a good snug fit is obtained. The stem is them glued to the
rabbet strip. After that the keel and false keel were glued in place too. I did not need to pin or bolt any
of this assembly in place as it was a snug fit and glued good and tight.
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Elia reacted to Rustyj in HMS Winchelsea 1764 by Rustyj - 1/64 - POB - 32-Gun Frigate
I've been working my way towards the center and this is how far I've gotten.
While gluing them up I had a thought about putting some bracing between the bulkheads to
help stiffen them some more for when I have to fair them. I also thought it may help eliminate
any change of the hull twisting. I took and measured the distance between the bulkheads at
the former and cut a piece of bracing and glued it towards the outer edge making sure not to
displace the bulkheads.
It seems to be working. I'll let you know when I finish with all of them.
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Elia reacted to Rustyj in HMS Winchelsea 1764 by Rustyj - 1/64 - POB - 32-Gun Frigate
Thank you for the kind words Antony.
Well I've pre fit all the bulkheads. Just some minor sanding of the slots was needed so it didn't
take as long as anticipated. Here is the first bulkhead in place. I clamp the angle piece in place
to hold the bulkhead square until the glue sets up. I do one bulkhead fore and one bulkhead
aft at a time and work my way to the center.
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Elia reacted to Rustyj in HMS Winchelsea 1764 by Rustyj - 1/64 - POB - 32-Gun Frigate
Thanks Greg, I think I started doing that on the Confederacy.
Glad to have you here Jim. Are you going to make it up to CT for the show?
Hi Dirk, I hope you do build her. I would love to see it.
Also thanks everyone for stopping by and all the likes.
I had a great weekend. The real world left me to my devices and I had a lot of
shop time. Bulkheads are all cut out and stacked as previously mentioned and I
then attacked the bulkhead former . It is laid out in two pieces and I thought of
just cutting it out as one whole piece. But as Chuck pointed out to me that getting
one piece of plywood that long that wouldn't twist would be extremely difficult.
So after an unsuccessful search I relented and cut it from two pieces. I knew I
shouldn't have wasted my time but then again I'm not known for my better
judgment and decision making.
Any way the former plans were cut out and glued up, then I cut it out on the scroll
saw and fine tuned it with the disk sander and a sanding block. Once satisfied I
applied glue to both pieces, put wax paper over and under the joint, placed a scrap
board on it and some heavy weights and allowed it to dry over night.
Now I will test fit all of the bulkheads and then start gluing them up.
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Elia reacted to Timothy Wood in 80' ELCO PT Boat by Timothy Wood - FINISHED - BlueJacket Shipcrafters - Scale 1/4" = 1'
Greetings,
The main engine room is complete with the "dog house" and 20mm ready service lockers glued in place. I still need to attach the dead light covers at their correct locations on the "dog house".
Cheers,
Tim
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Elia reacted to threebs in Pennsylvania by threebs - 1/72 scale
OK. I didn't get any suggestions about puddening the anchor ring so,I am going with my hunch that it wasn't done with a chain.
HOWEVER, I do need input on if I made the anchor float to big? It looks OK, I guess, needs painting to simulate the tar it would have been coated with, but other wise I think it is fine. What do you think? Oh, it is 1 inch long, so six feet on real ship.
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Elia reacted to threebs in Pennsylvania by threebs - 1/72 scale
I have some photos of my progress. ALL of the rigging I am going to do is done. The photo of the whole ship does not include the spreaders or it's rigging, nor the bumpkin stays. I need to ask a question here to see if anyone knows weather or not I need to add "pudding" to the anchor rings? As this ship used chain in place of rope, I suspect the chain would wear away the rope wrapping on the anchor ring pretty quickly I would imagine. I suspect the rope wrapping on the ring was needed when a rope was used to reduce wear on the rope where in rubbed on the ring? The measurements on the anchor plans were reduced from 3/16th to 11/32 scale. I made a previous set of anchors that were too small, ah well, I can always use them on my USS United States when I build her. I will start her when I begin rigging my Columbus.
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Elia reacted to EdT in Young America 1853 by EdT - FINISHED - extreme clipper
Young America - extreme clipper 1853
Part 86 – Middle Deck Inboard Planking
Heavy members – standing strakes – 10” thick by 12” deep are fitted over the waterways and bolted through every frame timber to further reinforce the connection of the deck structure to the frames. These members are joined along their length by hook scarphs as shown in the first photo.
These members were also bolted down into the waterways but I omitted these bolts because they will be covered by the next higher planks.
In the next picture some of those planks are being installed and holes are being drilled for the standing strake bolts.
Note that the top strake being installed is notched for a drop plank to account for the widening planking band where the hull flares out at the bow. The next picture shows a higher strake being glued in – wedged down to close the joint.
Standing strake bolts have been installed in this picture. In the next picture, the next section of that plank is being glued – wedged and clamped in this case.
I did not bother to jog the planking joints in this work, because hanging knees will hide this detail. Long planking strips were used and their joints placed under a knee location.
The next picture shows the completed planking – except for treenails – at the starboard bow.
The gap above the top plank is an “air strake” – left open to ventilate the space between frames above the keel.
The next picture shows the larger of the two fresh water tanks ready to be rigged into the opening in the decks.
In the next picture the tank is placed temporarily in position. The top of this tank will be just below the main deck planking. A smaller tank located just forward of this one has yet to be fabricated.
I did not go overboard in making these tanks. They will be difficult to see at best. I used the wood blocks shown earlier, some file folder and a ponce wheel for the rivets. After assembly the paper was impregnated with dilute shellac and finished with flat black enamel.
The detail of the actual tanks, like many other things, is a bit of a mystery. Webb’s Challenge had rectangular iron tanks so I followed that design. I based the design for these on pictures from the JL Mott catalog from 1886. Mott was the foremost New York ironmonger from 1828, making a large range of iron goods well into the 20th Century – a likely source for these tanks. The catalog featured cast and wrought iron sectional tanks. It is likely that these large tanks would have been of the wrought iron type – probably lead lined. They were built up to the required size in formed modules. The top and bottom manways are speculative. No nozzles yet.
Ed
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Elia got a reaction from JerseyCity Frankie in Arethusa 1907 by Elia - Knockabout Banks Fishing Schooner
Shipwrights - it has been a long time since I last posted progress on Arethusa. I have been working away on her, in little snippets of time here and there. Springtime turned to summer, when my modeling usually all but ceases, replaced by outdoor activities. Autumn typically welcomes the shipwright (me!) back to his work shop. This year my wife and I decided to embark on a large home improvement project and it has taken far more time and energy than initially estimated. That resulted in less model time than I had hoped for. I am now getting a little modeling time in and following are some progress photos.
The saga of the yellow cove stripe is almost over. I had removed the offending strip of wood, per my previous postings, glued in the repair strip, and spackled, sanded and faired it. I then painted the yellow stripe region. After the painted dried for a couple of days I applied the 1/64” wide masking tape. It was surprisingly difficult for me to get it to run straight and true along the new piece of wood. ?! Once in place I painted a light coat of the yellow over the masking tape to seal its edges for bleed under by the black topcoat, which followed. The resulting stripe looks thin and yellow, as desired, though it wanders a wee bit. I think I’ll live with it. As you can see if the accompanying photo I’ve added some white to the scuppers. All of my remediation work had filled in the scuppers with spackle, sanding dust, primer, and paint. I cleaned out the scuppers and applied some of my white paint as touch-up. Once the chainplates are attached I’ll apply black topcoat and it should look tidy (at least that is the plan).
Speaking of chainplates - I have been working away on those details. First off was making the deadeyes. Ron (Oneida build) was very helpful in providing me a direction in which to proceed regarding making my deadeyes. I followed his lead, similar to Harold Underhill, in making a jig to locate the lanyard holes and setting the height of the deadeye.
I don’t know if you shipwrights ever see a detail on the full size ship that just sticks with you and you find you need to model it, but that happened to me on the deadeyes. The large Gloucester schooners had deadeyes which were iron stropped to the chainplates. That in itself isn’t unusual. What is unique (in my mind at least) was that the strops were double wire loops. Not one, but two iron strops restrain the deadeye to the chainplate. I had purchased britannia deadeyes from Blue Jacket Shipcrafters for Arethusa but upon inspection I found I could not easily make the purchased deadeyes accept the double iron strop arrangement. Thus I set off on making the lower deadeyes. I used boxwood as it is hard, has little grain direction, and cuts and sands cleanly.
The larger deadeyes on the larger schooners were 7” to 7 1/2” in diameter and the width was about 5”. On my model the ones I’ve made are 0.160” diameter (4mm) and 0.10” thick. The smaller lower deadeyes were 5 1/5” in diameter, and my model ones are 0.115” diameter (3mm). Interestingly these double stropped deadeyes are essentially flat faced, making fabrication a little easier.
My deadeye fabrication process was as follows:
Shape wooden rod from square stock using chisels to form first an octagon, chuck it in a hand drill, and use progressively fine grits of sandpaper to sand to the final deadeye diameter.
Using the little jig and a pin vise drill the three lanyard holes.
Chuck the dowel in my benchtop drill press. Use the jig to mark the final width/cut of the deadeye with a fine kerf saw (on the drill press).
Use a triangular section file to create the strop grooves (on the drill press). This was the most inconsistent part of my process as I didn’t have (or use/implement) some ‘tool rest’ with which to steady the file. Remove the deadeye from the drill press and saw off the deadeye at the previously marked line.
Finish drilling through the lanyard holes.
I eased the holes with a micro “V” shaped gouge, followed by using the lanyard hole drill bit in the pin vise, rotated slowly, and angled to create a shallow groove. All edges were then lightly sanded.
I have made the chainplates, both (16) longer ones for the lower shrouds and (4) shorter ones for the upper shrouds. I used a jig to locate the chainplates for drilling the bolt holes. The upper loops are soldered. A few extras were made as I typically lose or mess up some when working through the fabrication steps.
I have fabricated the jumbo, jib, and flying jib stay ironwork from brass sheet stock.
I have made some cleats:
And some chocks:
And for the deadeyes I have begun making the double iron strops. Here is a photo of my jig for forming the strop from 26 gauge brass wire. I solder the one loop end, trim off the excess wire, and file it to resemble a hoop end. I then use a larger drill bit shank to wrap the double strop around and straighten the hoop ends.
Once the strops are complete I'll proceed with assembling the deadeyes to the chainplates. I intend to stain the deadeyes black and paint the strops (before attaching them to the deadeyes) dull silver (for they were galvanized). I'm scheming now on how to solder the bolt and nut hardware, joining the iron strops to the chainplate.
Hopefully it won't been almost a year before I post further progress!
Cheers,
Elia
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Elia got a reaction from PeteB in Arethusa 1907 by Elia - Knockabout Banks Fishing Schooner
Earlier than my steering wheel endeavor I had fabricated the cat heads and installed the chainplates. All of the deck furniture remains only temporarily placed for context.
Funny thing about the deadeyes - they don't want to stand upright, as in the photos. They lay over, free on their pivot pins...
And last, but not least, thank you to all those who've 'liked' my updates!
Cheers,
Elia
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Elia reacted to russ in Biloxi schooner by Russ - FINISHED - 1/48 scale - POB
Bob and Frank:
Thanks for those kind words.
Frank, there are many things about this model I like, but I can also see all the problems. Granted, most people will never see them, but it will always bug me. However, it is all a learning process and hopefully, some of things wrong with this model will help me make the next one better.
Russ
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Elia reacted to russ in Biloxi schooner by Russ - FINISHED - 1/48 scale - POB
Sam:
Thanks for the kind words. Also, thanks to everyone for the likes.
Yes, the captain would steer from the side. In many cases, we see photos with the captain kneeling next to the box to steer.
Russ
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Elia reacted to russ in Biloxi schooner by Russ - FINISHED - 1/48 scale - POB
Thanks. The windlass needs a few more details, but it will get there eventually.
The windlasses normally seen on local schooners are generally much simpler affairs than those found on schooners up in the Eastern seaboard for instance. However, I seen several different types used down here, so it really pays to research old photos to see about what was used in any given instance.
Russ
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Elia reacted to mtaylor in Licorne 1755 by mtaylor - 3/16" scale - French Frigate - from Hahn plans - Version 2.0 - TERMINATED
Thank you for all the "likes" and comments.
Hawse timbers... version 4.5 (1 side was replaced once, the other twice). The hard part (to me) is that lines drawing give no shape to the bow forward of the first cant fram so I'm fumbling with templates and photos. I think I'm close. I've filled in most of the low spots and sanded down the highs. Cherry has this nice feature that if it ages a bit and darkens, when you sand it the sanded parts become light. This, coupled with a batten and templates gives you a pretty good idea of where one stands in the fairing.
They still need more fairing but I need to hold off a bit. Frankly, I'm getting tired of the sawdust in the air at the moment. The reality is, I need to put in the gunport sills and fair those in. And then the interior. The deck clamp "knees" (actualy just nubs of wood) need to be worked such to give a smooth sheer to the clamps. I'll have to hold on the clamps though, until the stern is finished.
Yes, I'm avoiding the stern like the plague. Hahn doesn't give you a template on the plans for the transoms so I'm sorting this out. I have the stern framing showing height and width of the timbers, the side showing the location and depth but no top view showing the shape. Again, much staring at the prints and Hahn's limited build photos. This seems to be one of those areas that are "up to the builder" to sort out like the quarter galleries. Speaking of which I'm also sorting out that area as it's not really defined on the prints as to timbers. However, I'm putting together a plan, which if it works I'll happy dancing for weeks.
So... to the pictures. The first three show the hawse timbers and cant frames. None of this will be visible when planked. The last is kinda' artsy-craftsy looking at the interior so I can get an idea of amount of fairing in there to be done.
As always, feel free to click on any picture to enlarge it to full size. Oh.. sorry for the sawdust and debris. I really need to hit this with the shop vac.
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Elia reacted to EdT in Young America 1853 by EdT - FINISHED - extreme clipper
Young America - extreme clipper 1853
Part 85 – Middle Deck Binding Strakes
The binding strakes provided an additional reinforcement to the connection of the deck beams to the hull frames. These 8” thick members, placed against the inboard face of the waterways, were bolted vertically into each beam and horizontally – edge bolted – through the waterway and each frame. On the model I represented this bolting with monofilament – one down through each beam and one edge bolt above each ledge between beams. There were probably twice this many bolts used on the real ship.
The first picture shows the forward section of binding strake on the starboard side being glued in place.
The binding strakes were joined with hook scarphs as shown in the photo. They were also rounded over or beveled down to the deck planking on the inboard side.
In the next picture the joint measurements are being transferred to the end of the next section.
The length of the hook is being marked here, The piece was cut back to the angle first. The next picture shows the last section on the port side at the stern being fitted.
The next picture shows the binding strakes installed at the bow – ready for bolts.
The holes for the horizontal bolts were drilled before installation – those for the vertical beam bolts after. In the next picture a length of monofilament is being glued in to represent one of the beam bolts.
After installation of the binding strakes the deck was given a final leveling with 220-grit paper as shown below.
This was followed by final sanding using 220 then 320-grit paper – by hand and using the detail sander shown in the last photo.
Next will be installation of the side inboard planking, starting with the heavy 10” x 12” standing strakes over the waterways. Hatch coamings and some decking can also be started.
Ed
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Elia reacted to captainbob in Lettie G Howard by captainbob - FINISHED - 1:48 - POB - schooner
I just found out some information about the Lettie. Back in July, John Cole, here on MSW, started to build America’s cup racer Puritan. Since Puritan is on my “to build” list, I decided to do some research on her. She was designed by Edward Burgess who also designed cup racers Mayflower and Volunteer. About that same time (1888) Burgess was approached to build a schooner. For two years his schooner won every race it was in. It was then sold to the fishing fleet. That boat was the Fredonia. Because of its speed the Fredonia was copied several times. Those boats were referred to as Fredonia models. The Lettie G. Howard was the last of the Fredonia models.
This is not a model of a brand new boat. This boat has been around and working for a while, first as a private yacht, then as a cod fisher and finally as a mackerel fisher. This model is of the mackerel boat. You’ll notice that the rigging is not consistent. That is to say the fore mast is not a copy of the main mast etc. That is because as modifications and changes were made they used what was “at hand” as long as it worked.
Now some pictures of the build at present. A lot of MSW members publish pictures with each add they make. I don’t seem to be able to do that. So here are a lot of little things. Still a long way to go.
Bob
Over all
Main halyard
Fore halyard
Jombo jib halyard
Bowsprit shrouds
Bowsprit
Main gaff
Fore gaff
Spring lines
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Elia reacted to Piet in Hr. Ms. O 19 1938 by Piet - FINISHED - scale 1:50 - submarine of the Royal Navy Netherlands in service 1939 - 1945
Hoi Carl, - - -
Okay, I'm off the floor. Drunken sailors indeed. That reminds me of another story my father told us when he was fancy free and footloose, i.e. before being married to my mom. You want to hear it ???? Oh, okay you twisted my arm
After shore leave he was boarding the boat (no not the O19) and the officer of the deck stopped him and said, "mister you are drunk." My dad said, "no, I'm not." with that the officer of the deck told my father to walk the deck-slat." Now one thing he could do was walk in a straight line when snookered. So, the officer of the deck said, "well, I guess I made a mistake, carry on." My father then, in his drunken mind was rather peeked at the officer of the deck and said, "like hell you say, I am drunk and I think you also need a drink." With that he heaved the officer of the deck overboard. Well now, that sobered him up enough to realize that that was not a very smart thing to do. So, he got himself a broom, a rope and one of his shoes tied to the rope that he tied to the broom and proceeded to go "fishing."
That got him to a visit to the psychiatrist instead of being thrown out of the Navy.
The doctor had a hearty laugh about his story and made a note in the records of 'temporary insanity.'
As a young lad I pictured all this in my mind and thought it rather funny. As you can see I still remember many things about my father, which I treasure.
Yeah, it's a shame that I was behind that flag otherwise all y'all could have seen one handsome 5 year old and say, aaaahhhhh, how cute.
Cheers,