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So having discovered that I didn't cut the reliefs for the pintles I thought I'd give it a go. This would have been so much easier when the piece was still square. I got a good result and it needed to be done. The pintles are made out of 1mm x 2.3mm brass so they need to sit flat as trying to force them into shape just will not work and damage the rudder. You can see below the much better beds for them I also have made the iron bands that reinforce the rudder around the tiller hole Thanks for all of the comments and likes they really are inspiring. I'm off to Malta for a week today so I'll catch up with you all when I get back Mark
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Hi mate - mines a Sherline mill; its the manual metric version Thanks Greg I did get a bit lucky with the piece not moving but I'll take it as a win. Since looking at the pintles I've noticed that I need to cut a further relief into the rudder. This is going to take some thought but I've plenty of time as I'm still waiting on my delivery of silver solder. The name change 😀 well I think I've got a bit better since I started the build 🤣 Thanks Adam 👍
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Hi Mike - lovely work. Just a thought would a ship of this size have binding strakes to tie all of the beams together. If so I would make and fit them before the carlings. Also a quick tip on the table saw - If I need say 2mm wide planks I just find a 2mm wide piece of wood and put it between the blade and fence. Thats it! The fence is set and I just sense check the first cut. Mark
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Lovely work - looking at your last picture running a batton; I think that if you faired the outer frames the batton would lay just about right. Fantastic build keep the updates coming.
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The rudder - This is made of 2 quite substantial pieces of wood which are 11.8mm wide. I hadn't really studied the drawings of it before but it became obvious very quickly that it was going to be harder to make than first thought. The challenge was working out the cutting order in sequence as the rudder is tapered in 2 dimensions. Once tapered holding down onto the mill becomes difficult so I worked out how many tool cuts I could do with both pieces still being square. I also cut the 2 pieces individually rather than gluing them together first. After gluing together the first few cuts are straightforward as I'm just bringing the wood down to size Next I cut the taper on the main body of the rudder - the rudder widens away from the stern. It's not much of a taper; it transitions from 8mm wide at the stern post to 10mm. I did this but cutting a series of steps into the rudder which can be sanded smooth later. Sketchy machining warning - now I can't just turn the piece over and repeat as it will no longer sit flat on the tooling plate. So I used a couple of laths to level it out but as you can imagine you are not going to get a good work hold doing it this way. Its just a case of giving it a go and holding your breath! I wouldn't recommend it but I got lucky and nothing moved. It was nice to see the taper so even considering my less than safe practice. Next to be machined was the taper on the leading edge of the rudder. I worked this out to be 51 degrees which worked out OK. Once again gripping the rudder was a bit hit and miss due to the tapers. Small cuts and taking your time helps enormously in these situations After a good clean up the finished (wooden part) of the rudder I need to make the pintles next but I'm waiting on a delivery of brass and also some silver solder. They also look like a good challenge. Mark
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Moving forward with the gratings I knew that the top faces required a curve but what I had missed was that they did not just sit on top of the carlings and beams. They are actually let into the carlings so that they sit within the beams. This picture explains it far better. So I cut the bevels into the carlings - I also discovered that I had set the 4th beam about 2mm too far forward so I had to cut into the beam too. I sanded the curve on the gratings using a face sander with 320 grit paper. This worked really well Then finally I drilled and fitted the 252 nails and fitted the gratings Thanks for the advice and help in the making of these parts it was very much appreciated. I'm going to have a go at making the rudder next. Mark
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Hi Alan - thanks very much for the reply mate I was really unsure whether I had done something wrong - so in the meantime I've been referring to Bernard Frolich's book "The art of ship modelling". I can see by his photos that yes the gaps should be there. This now gives me the confidence to carry on and get the other 2 glued together. Mind you I seem to have cut enough timber to make another 20 🤣 Every days a school day!
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Guys thanks for the lovely comments 👍 I've made a start on the gratings which seem to be going ok but I'm not sure that they are correct so I do need a little help. The gratings have a gap of 2.3mm between laths - every example I have seen of making gratings involves using a table saw to cut the slots. Unfortunately I don't have a blade of that width and I also don't have an arbor where I can safely stack blades together. The closest cutter I have is a 2mm end mill so thats what I used. It took a while to mill it all out as each slot took 2 passes but I got there in the end I then cut the parts to the required sizes and also cut the flat laths I made a little jig to help with assembly which made the job very easy My first grating squared off and its actually the correct size which surprised me Now my question - looking at the underside I have the gaps shown in the picture below. Is this correct or have a done something wrong or missed something out? If someone could give me some advice it would be very welcome. Thanks Mark
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Some more work completed this week - I've been getting on with the planking between the mouldings which will complete the stern planking. I also caught up with quite a bit of nailing that required finishing The ship really is starting to look solid now Finally I made the decorative moulding for the first beam on the quarterdeck I want to make the gratings next but I need to wait for Gerard to confirm whether I have read the drawings correctly or not. It shouldn't take long for a reply and then I can make something I've not made before. Mark
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Hi all another update from me - this one's going to be a bit picture heavy. This time I'm approaching the gunwales; moulding and timber heads. So I started with the easiest pieces which were the lower gunwales. These were easy to make and I pre-drilled all of the holes for the guard rails Next I needed to sort out a piece that I had failed to see in the drawings - goodness how long ago was that! It was this piece coloured in red below - Its a small extension of the short frame which supports the fancy transition between the quarter deck and main deck gunwales. Because I didn't see this another issue was that I cut the interior planking too short. So I made a piece that could fill the gap and also go far enough inboard to be flush with the interior planking Next was the mouldings - these were pretty straight forward. I scraped them to shape and to hold the tricky bits still I PVA'd them to a piece of scrap and then heated the back to release them. They did take a bit of fitting but I got there and I took the opportunity to finally shape the timber heads. Now this is a tricky part to make - the gunwale transition. It is such a prominent part it needs to be as good a possible. The gunwales are different widths and they need the transition to "S" a little too. So what I ended up doing was to make the part much wider that I needed it. In fact I made it 13.5mm wide. I then roughed the "S" out but left loads on to finalise the shape once the quarterdeck gunwale was fitted. This is one of those parts where if you force it - it will snap so I just slowly worked away at them until I got a good fit. Lastly I made the remaining wale - It fits around the timber heads and also the guard rail stanchions so I made sure that they fitted correctly. I think this would be difficult once they are fitted. A few pictures of where I am now. So next I guess I need to finish the planking between the mouldings and also make the decorative face for the first beam on the quarterdeck. Thanks for all of the nice comments Mark
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