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The Triton model I refer to has a square-tuck stern, so she was made of pine, fir or some softer wood.

It is interesting that Chapman would give her only 24 guns broadside, and the forward-most 18-pounder was so very far aft. Her lines must have been very sharp forward, to have done that. Her stem reminds me of the experimental HMS Triton model, an unusual 18-pounder, 32-gun frigate that drew the same draught of water forward as aft.

Historian John Millar writes about the origins of the Oliver Cromwell, in his "Early American ships", p. 150:
 
'The late [Historian] Marion Brewington suggested that she had previously been a Philadelphia merchant ship called "Juno", while [author] V.R. Grimwood suggests that she was formerly a Rhode Island ship by the name of "Ye Terrible Creature". The figurehead of the lady could represent either of those former names, the latter being of course the first owner's wife, a joke entirely in keeping with the humor of the colonial period. Our own opinions, and it is no more than that, is that she was built in Providence about 1774. At the end of 1776, the Narragansett bay was occupied by a powerful British garrison and fleet at Newport which would have made it difficult to sail her in or out of Providence, so she was transferred to Philadelphia ownership and renamed "Oliver Cromwell" at that time.'

Historian John Millar writes about the origins of the Oliver Cromwell, in his "Early American ships", p. 150:
 
'The late [Historian] Marion Brewington suggested that she had previously been a Philadelphia merchant ship called "Juno", while [author] V.R. Grimwood suggests that she was formerly a Rhode Island ship by the name of "Ye Terrible Creature". The figurehead of the lady could represent either of those former names, the latter being of course the first owner's wife, a joke entirely in keeping with the humor of the colonial period. Our own opinions, and it is no more than that, is that she was built in Providence about 1774. At the end of 1776, the Narragansett bay was occupied by a powerful British garrison and fleet at Newport which would have made it difficult to sail her in or out of Providence, so she was transferred to Philadelphia ownership and renamed "Oliver Cromwell" at that time.'

Historian John Millar writes about the origins of the Oliver Cromwell, in his "Early American ships", p. 150:
 
'The late [Historian] Marion Brewington suggested that she had previously been a Philadelphia merchant ship called "Juno", while [author] V.R. Grimwood suggests that she was formerly a Rhode Island ship by the name of "Ye Terrible Creature". The figurehead of the lady could represent either of those former names, the latter being of course the first owner's wife, a joke entirely in keeping with the humor of the colonial period. Our own opinions, and it is no more than that, is that she was built in Providence about 1774. At the end of 1776, the Narragansett bay was occupied by a powerful British garrison and fleet at Newport which would have made it difficult to sail her in or out of Providence, so she was transferred to Philadelphia ownership and renamed "Oliver Cromwell" at that time.'

I did a lot of photos during work.
1st pfoto - test milling of pears
2nd photo shows error of combining parties in turn. I had to change machine coordinate search technique for more accurate processing
3rd photo - final figure after CNC

I with its model of Oliver Cromwell at the Cup of Kiev in 2013

Awesome job so far, Charlie! I often wondered what the name Sultana referred to.

Historian John Millar writes about the origins of the Oliver Cromwell, in his "Early American ships", p. 150:
 
'The late [Historian] Marion Brewington suggested that she had previously been a Philadelphia merchant ship called "Juno", while [author] V.R. Grimwood suggests that she was formerly a Rhode Island ship by the name of "Ye Terrible Creature". The figurehead of the lady could represent either of those former names, the latter being of course the first owner's wife, a joke entirely in keeping with the humor of the colonial period. Our own opinions, and it is no more than that, is that she was built in Providence about 1774. At the end of 1776, the Narragansett bay was occupied by a powerful British garrison and fleet at Newport which would have made it difficult to sail her in or out of Providence, so she was transferred to Philadelphia ownership and renamed "Oliver Cromwell" at that time.'

Historian John Millar writes about the origins of the Oliver Cromwell, in his "Early American ships", p. 150:
 
'The late [Historian] Marion Brewington suggested that she had previously been a Philadelphia merchant ship called "Juno", while [author] V.R. Grimwood suggests that she was formerly a Rhode Island ship by the name of "Ye Terrible Creature". The figurehead of the lady could represent either of those former names, the latter being of course the first owner's wife, a joke entirely in keeping with the humor of the colonial period. Our own opinions, and it is no more than that, is that she was built in Providence about 1774. At the end of 1776, the Narragansett bay was occupied by a powerful British garrison and fleet at Newport which would have made it difficult to sail her in or out of Providence, so she was transferred to Philadelphia ownership and renamed "Oliver Cromwell" at that time.'

You know your history well, Overdale. She was boarded and taken by HMS Ken.

Awesome job so far, Charlie! I often wondered what the name Sultana referred to.

So started the process of making a 3d figure via sculptris thanks to Igor for the guidance. Was my first attempt and nowhere near done yet but the program is amazing let me know what you all think.

EDIT: Never mind. Too risque!

Hire a local art student to pose in costume, while you carve it from boxwood. And take your time.

Hi Bava. The outside red line on the halfbreadth of the profile file is the line of gun/main deck. The inside red line is the line of gaillards.I have a little problem with l'estain, too. I feel your pain.
 
Boy, oh boy; l’estain is a pain, yeah? Ok, some quick explanation. The fashion frame is simply a ‘cant’ frame, but expressed in the French fashion. It is ‘square’ in concept, but rotated aft by 20 degrees (or thereabouts). It was built super thick so that it could accommodate the compound (double twist) beveling from top to bottom (French were very profligate with wood).
 

 
Diagram shows two view directions and what they give. “A” indicates l’estain, if erected ‘square’. “B” indicates l’estain after rotation through 20 degrees. Curve “B” is what is projected on the body plan. It’s basically a lateral scale of cos(20) – 0.9397 applied to the ‘square’ curve. Curve “C” is the lazy ‘s’ curve of l’estain that appears on the profile plan. The profile curve is snipped at pertinent parts and the ‘square’ curve is scaled laterally by sin(20) – 0.34202. That pretty much reconciles the two orthogonal views (body and profile). I’ll make sure this gets done in the plan set.
 
Diagonals are another matter, entirely, and deserve a separate post with yet more illustrations and explanations.
 
This is good. I would have to have done something like this in explanatory text for the plan set, but this is a better venue and allows for better organization of the final views. Please do not hesitate to comment.
 
John

Oh, golly, start in with l’estain and it just don’t quit (not that I mind, it’s just too legit).
 
Ok, then, top down view: fashion frame was two pieces (in effect, a couple), the fashion frame was itself but had a forward support frame. The heel of forward fashion support frame sat on, and flowed into, the aft frame of the aftermost ‘square’ couple set (Bourdiot’s FF). The heel of the fashion frame itself might be viewed as also flowing into the line of FF, but down at the bottom, everything flowed into the deadwood (le massif).
 

 
Notably, and unlike the station sections, the body plan line of the fashion frame (l’estain) is the after edge of the timbering (the red line). The body plan lines of station sections are taken from the center seam of the corresponding couple.
 
The position of FF, in the image, is totally arbitrary. Its actual location and individual timber thicknesses will depend on design definitions of frame, room and space, and what the yard dogs had for breakfast.
 
Anyway, this is the top-down view of the diagonals, based on everything else. The lines are now reconciled orthogonal to the other views. Please forgive my earlier attempts I was trying to replicate something that just didn’t fit within this paradigm. Sorry. I’ll get this into the plan set, as well.
 
John

Ok, so things are getting exciting. To really get a handle on the shape of the buttocks, I am going to have to do some lofting. That means defining some timbers/frames and doing some fairing. I will be using Vial du Clairbois as my basis just as Boudriot did for his 74-gun ship. I kown this is a frigate, but I think I can scale appropriately given Sane's box rules in his Devis, and Vial's very clear exposition as to shape and placement. Simple geometry and trig and logarithms, and bears, oh my. Stay tuned.
 
John

Another photos 
 

 

 

 

 

Ok so daves most kindly posted some pics on the figurehead off of Hahn's model of Sultana and what I see is a figure placed in very similar arrangement to the replica in Delaware, the arm placement etc.  Don't want to reinvent the wheel just work off a model that seems logical so I think I will go in that direction and eventually would like to visit the diorama in Virginia and get some closer pics of Hahn's model. Here is what she looks like and as far as how detailed I can make her well that's going to take some researching as well but at least now I can put my mind at rest on a few questions and get back to widdling.

OK, if you all insist!
 
"USS Barbie hoped to blow him out of the water, settle the affair quickly, but after a long, hard engagement, it was she who got licked in the end."

OK, if you all insist!
 
"USS Barbie hoped to blow him out of the water, settle the affair quickly, but after a long, hard engagement, it was she who got licked in the end."

Oh dear what mischief have I started! Well back to the topic at hand I did speak with the Sultana foundation and they said they modeled their figurehead based on a Sultan concubine. This of course makes sense though it makes me wonder if the HMS Halifax had a horse figurehead because Halifax was known for horse breeding perhaps? So yes these two pics are sort of what I am going to use for inspiration and well see how it turns out as I have some research to do now

OK, if you all insist!
 
"USS Barbie hoped to blow him out of the water, settle the affair quickly, but after a long, hard engagement, it was she who got licked in the end."

EDIT: Never mind. Too risque!